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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: kfc.android on August 20, 2014, 08:31:14 PM
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I don't like those super loud HD exhaust muffler noise, but I somehow agree with the "BE HEARD TO BE NOTICED" since I am riding on freeway everyday.
Anyone here in the US know where to get a nice exhaust muffler louder than our stock muffler? (not excessively loud, you know what I mean)
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"Loud pipes saves lives" is incorrect. They just pi$$ people off. After market pipes for scoots are horrendously expensive IMO.
Karl
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My other bike is Kawasaki Ninja 650, and I have never had a compliant from my neighbor, not even I start the bike early in the morning. I am sure the result will be different if I am riding a HD.
I found that more driver noticed my existence when I am riding my Ninja
(especially on the freeway while lane-splitting <- legal in Calif.)
I have been scared by some scooters when I was driving my car because I can't hear them. On the contrast, if I can hear a bike is approaching, I can have time to check my rear view mirror and make room for them.
Last, yes, most aftermarket pipe is toooo expensive.
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One of these days I will have to retell my lane splitting story from the '60's in SOCAL.
Karl
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"Loud pipes saves lives" is incorrect. They just pi$$ people off. After market pipes for scoots are horrendously expensive IMO.
Karl
Agreed.
They always say they never saw you after they smash you. It's a rare day they say they didn't hear you. That said here you go.
http://www.arrow.it/usa/linee/linea.asp?IDL=122 (http://www.arrow.it/usa/linee/linea.asp?IDL=122)
I put one on my SYM RV 200. Take the baffle out and its a bad azz but becomes annoying to ride. Balffle in and it's about the same as the stock pipe. You'll spend $300.00 plus and see little to no performance bennifit.
I wouldn't do it again.
Be Big,
AMAC
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You can get hit by the blind and deaf and dumb too. Besides, loud pipes serve to piss off the group you are riding with. Or the track marshal. Or the cops. Or your ear drums.
Not worth it. Wish I were $350 richer. Helmet cam is a better investment.
Anyways, if you are set on one, Remus and Leo Vince also make one for the Downtown.
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Agreed.
They always say they never saw you after they smash you. It's a rare day they say they didn't hear you. That said here you go.
http://www.arrow.it/usa/linee/linea.asp?IDL=122 (http://www.arrow.it/usa/linee/linea.asp?IDL=122)
I put one on my SYM RV 200. Take the baffle out and its a bad azz but becomes annoying to ride. Balffle in and it's about the same as the stock pipe. You'll spend $300.00 plus and see little to no performance bennifit.
I wouldn't do it again.
Be Big,
AMAC
AMAC, I have a scooter book that I really like - often look through it at bed-time - it has such nice scooter pictures in it- but also is a good read becasue it seems to be written by an adult.
He remarks several times about the habit of add-ons to a scoot. Singles out the after market pipes - how much they cost and how small is the performance boost. (sometimes, actually slowing the scoot because the factory did a good job engineering the stock pipe to the motor...but the rider may not notice because he's so thrilled with the sporty noise!)
Stig
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My B&W 300 has a loud Yoshi straight pipe and it rumbles, still manage to get merged into by morons weekly...... It's not as loud as a 4 cyl street bike. People don't pay attention while driving and that includes sound. Also if your behind someone the sound is almost nothing until you are passing so in that respect it won't save you anyway.
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Just remember that the newer the car, the quieter the ride. So if you have loud pipes, the new car driver probably will not hear you.
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From www.autoevolution.com (http://www.autoevolution.com)
Most Common Motorcycle Myths Debunked: Part 1
Loud pipes save lives
This myth is originated in the very biking world and is has a lot of supporters among both riders and custom aftermarket exhaust pipes manufacturers. Basically, those who claim that loud pipes save lives assume that the louder the noise a motorcycle makes on the road, the more chances they have of being noticed by other road-colleagues and thus less likely the occurrence of an accident.
The truth behind such a claim disproves this myth on so many levels: simple, common physics, common sense or plain reason can bring in countless reasons because this is just a myth. Let's tread the path of physics a bit and analyze what's happening from a strictly mechanical point of view.
Motorcycle exhausts openings are facing towards the rear of the bike, and it's obviously to the back where the gases and all the noise are directed. Assuming that the noise a motorcycle makes travels in an omnidirectional manner is just wrong, because noise is air (or other gases, for what's worth) in movement. With the air/ gas jest directed towards the rear of the bike, it's there where all the noise goes. And if you don't believe this, just 'start your engine in the open and then check the noise levels when facing the bike and behind it, alternatively.
When riding at higher speeds, things are even worse, because you're not only remaining close to the place where all the exhaust gases start to make noise hitting the mass of air, but you're traveling further from that zone as you advance on the road.
Now, having established that pipes generate a lot more noise behind the bike than in front of it, claiming that loud(er) pipes would help getting you noticed by the man driving the car in front sounds just silly. A loud exhaust pipe could come in handy when splitting the lanes at low speed, letting the drivers in front of you know “something is approaching†and maybe preventing them from cutting you off or opening the doors. Analyzing the crash reports, statistics indicate that around 77% of the hazards come in front of the biker, and only 3% approach from behind. What's next, front-facing exhausts?
Having installed modified pipes on a bike may indeed make it sound a lot different, with a touch of more aggressive tone, and could, beyond any shadow of doubt, make the rider feel better about him/herself and his or her machinery. Cool pipes make any bike look better, there's too much truth in here to start a debate; but along with the mean looks come a lot of other things...
Common sense urges us to think about noise pollution: while a rider might believe that the new sound of the bike is the most beautiful music in the world, many others might (and will) strongly disagree. Throttling the bike at 11PM thundering down the alley will simply increase the prejudice most non-bikers have against us, the riders. For most people, this sound is as pleasant as a dumpster truck on a Sunday at 5 AM, after returning from a party and getting one hour of sleep.
Adding “it's my bike and I'll do with it as I see fit†is not helping; au contraire, it just makes a very lame excuse for making excessive noise. Owning a motorcycle does not come with the right to break the noise regulations, and even though a racing exhaust might receive clearance for installation on common bikes, this brings little comfort to the passers-by and traffic-fellows. It's just a matter of being polite and care for those around you.
Aftermarket exhausts will also increase the horsepower (both the loud and the properly muffled ones), but claiming this as the main reason for making excessive noise just doesn't cut it. With most of the motorcycles being manufactured these days already coming with more than sufficient power for pretty much any rider or road conditions, it's rather hard to believe that all that was missing was the 5 or 10 bhp increase granted by a hollow exhaust.
Finally, it's the simple fact that a louder pipe is by no means a proactive or primary safety measure, but a secondary one. Again, learning how to ride well (throttle, turn, brake and so on) and keeping a close eye to the traffic around you are essential to making it home safely.
The first rule of avoiding a crash is not placing yourself in a critical traffic situation, and this means riding carefully and being able to detect the potential hazards early. It's always easier to avoid a nasty situation than to find a safe exit from one.
Installing a better horn, wearing a bright color helmet or a high-visibility jacket/ vest are proven methods of making yourself noticed easier in traffic. Even more, these measures are most likely not to offend anyone, and the roads will be a bit safer having less annoyed, less aggressive drivers.
That's about it with the LPSL (loud pipes save lives) myth; check back next week for part 2 of “Most Common Motorcycle Myths Debunkedâ€.
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No matter how loud the exhaust, if I dont see the bike I`ll run them over with my truck long before I hear the loud pipes. Furthermore, the loud pipe is only at its loudest during acceleration so unless someone is in a constant state of acceleration they arent making as much noise anyways.
And just think of all the people who drive with their music so loud they cant hear themselves think then ask yourself if your loud pipes are really loud enough for them to notice.
If the idea is to get people to look, then I think the pulsating headlight does a better job than trying to generate enough noise.
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Most Common Motorcycle Myths Debunked: Part 1
Loud pipes save lives
This myth is originated in the very biking world and is has a lot of supporters among both riders and custom aftermarket exhaust pipes manufacturers. Basically, those who claim that loud pipes save lives assume that the louder the noise a motorcycle makes on the road, the more chances they have of being noticed by other road-colleagues and thus less likely the occurrence of an accident.
The truth behind such a claim disproves this myth on so many levels: simple, common physics, common sense or plain reason can bring in countless reasons because this is just a myth. Let's tread the path of physics a bit and analyze what's happening from a strictly mechanical point of view.
Motorcycle exhausts openings are facing towards the rear of the bike, and it's obviously to the back where the gases and all the noise are directed. Assuming that the noise a motorcycle makes travels in an omnidirectional manner is just wrong, because noise is air (or other gases, for what's worth) in movement. With the air/ gas jest directed towards the rear of the bike, it's there where all the noise goes. And if you don't believe this, just 'start your engine in the open and then check the noise levels when facing the bike and behind it, alternatively.
When riding at higher speeds, things are even worse, because you're not only remaining close to the place where all the exhaust gases start to make noise hitting the mass of air, but you're traveling further from that zone as you advance on the road.
Now, having established that pipes generate a lot more noise behind the bike than in front of it, claiming that loud(er) pipes would help getting you noticed by the man driving the car in front sounds just silly. A loud exhaust pipe could come in handy when splitting the lanes at low speed, letting the drivers in front of you know “something is approaching†and maybe preventing them from cutting you off or opening the doors. Analyzing the crash reports, statistics indicate that around 77% of the hazards come in front of the biker, and only 3% approach from behind. What's next, front-facing exhausts?
Having installed modified pipes on a bike may indeed make it sound a lot different, with a touch of more aggressive tone, and could, beyond any shadow of doubt, make the rider feel better about him/herself and his or her machinery. Cool pipes make any bike look better, there's too much truth in here to start a debate; but along with the mean looks come a lot of other things...
Common sense urges us to think about noise pollution: while a rider might believe that the new sound of the bike is the most beautiful music in the world, many others might (and will) strongly disagree. Throttling the bike at 11PM thundering down the alley will simply increase the prejudice most non-bikers have against us, the riders. For most people, this sound is as pleasant as a dumpster truck on a Sunday at 5 AM, after returning from a party and getting one hour of sleep.
Adding “it's my bike and I'll do with it as I see fit†is not helping; au contraire, it just makes a very lame excuse for making excessive noise. Owning a motorcycle does not come with the right to break the noise regulations, and even though a racing exhaust might receive clearance for installation on common bikes, this brings little comfort to the passers-by and traffic-fellows. It's just a matter of being polite and care for those around you.
Aftermarket exhausts will also increase the horsepower (both the loud and the properly muffled ones), but claiming this as the main reason for making excessive noise just doesn't cut it. With most of the motorcycles being manufactured these days already coming with more than sufficient power for pretty much any rider or road conditions, it's rather hard to believe that all that was missing was the 5 or 10 bhp increase granted by a hollow exhaust.
Finally, it's the simple fact that a louder pipe is by no means a proactive or primary safety measure, but a secondary one. Again, learning how to ride well (throttle, turn, brake and so on) and keeping a close eye to the traffic around you are essential to making it home safely.
The first rule of avoiding a crash is not placing yourself in a critical traffic situation, and this means riding carefully and being able to detect the potential hazards early. It's always easier to avoid a nasty situation than to find a safe exit from one.
Installing a better horn, wearing a bright color helmet or a high-visibility jacket/ vest are proven methods of making yourself noticed easier in traffic. Even more, these measures are most likely not to offend anyone, and the roads will be a bit safer having less annoyed, less aggressive drivers.
That's about it with the LPSL (loud pipes save lives) myth; check back next week for part 2 of “Most Common Motorcycle Myths Debunkedâ€.
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Most Common Motorcycle Myths Debunked: Part 1
Loud pipes save lives
This myth is originated in the very biking world and is has a lot of supporters among both riders and custom aftermarket exhaust pipes manufacturers. Basically, those who claim that loud pipes save lives assume that the louder the noise a motorcycle makes on the road, the more chances they have of being noticed by other road-colleagues and thus less likely the occurrence of an accident.
The truth behind such a claim disproves this myth on so many levels: simple, common physics, common sense or plain reason can bring in countless reasons because this is just a myth. Let's tread the path of physics a bit and analyze what's happening from a strictly mechanical point of view.
Motorcycle exhausts openings are facing towards the rear of the bike, and it's obviously to the back where the gases and all the noise are directed. Assuming that the noise a motorcycle makes travels in an omnidirectional manner is just wrong, because noise is air (or other gases, for what's worth) in movement. With the air/ gas jest directed towards the rear of the bike, it's there where all the noise goes. And if you don't believe this, just 'start your engine in the open and then check the noise levels when facing the bike and behind it, alternatively.
When riding at higher speeds, things are even worse, because you're not only remaining close to the place where all the exhaust gases start to make noise hitting the mass of air, but you're traveling further from that zone as you advance on the road.
Now, having established that pipes generate a lot more noise behind the bike than in front of it, claiming that loud(er) pipes would help getting you noticed by the man driving the car in front sounds just silly. A loud exhaust pipe could come in handy when splitting the lanes at low speed, letting the drivers in front of you know “something is approaching†and maybe preventing them from cutting you off or opening the doors. Analyzing the crash reports, statistics indicate that around 77% of the hazards come in front of the biker, and only 3% approach from behind. What's next, front-facing exhausts?
Having installed modified pipes on a bike may indeed make it sound a lot different, with a touch of more aggressive tone, and could, beyond any shadow of doubt, make the rider feel better about him/herself and his or her machinery. Cool pipes make any bike look better, there's too much truth in here to start a debate; but along with the mean looks come a lot of other things...
Common sense urges us to think about noise pollution: while a rider might believe that the new sound of the bike is the most beautiful music in the world, many others might (and will) strongly disagree. Throttling the bike at 11PM thundering down the alley will simply increase the prejudice most non-bikers have against us, the riders. For most people, this sound is as pleasant as a dumpster truck on a Sunday at 5 AM, after returning from a party and getting one hour of sleep.
Adding “it's my bike and I'll do with it as I see fit†is not helping; au contraire, it just makes a very lame excuse for making excessive noise. Owning a motorcycle does not come with the right to break the noise regulations, and even though a racing exhaust might receive clearance for installation on common bikes, this brings little comfort to the passers-by and traffic-fellows. It's just a matter of being polite and care for those around you.
Aftermarket exhausts will also increase the horsepower (both the loud and the properly muffled ones), but claiming this as the main reason for making excessive noise just doesn't cut it. With most of the motorcycles being manufactured these days already coming with more than sufficient power for pretty much any rider or road conditions, it's rather hard to believe that all that was missing was the 5 or 10 bhp increase granted by a hollow exhaust.
Finally, it's the simple fact that a louder pipe is by no means a proactive or primary safety measure, but a secondary one. Again, learning how to ride well (throttle, turn, brake and so on) and keeping a close eye to the traffic around you are essential to making it home safely.
The first rule of avoiding a crash is not placing yourself in a critical traffic situation, and this means riding carefully and being able to detect the potential hazards early. It's always easier to avoid a nasty situation than to find a safe exit from one.
Installing a better horn, wearing a bright color helmet or a high-visibility jacket/ vest are proven methods of making yourself noticed easier in traffic. Even more, these measures are most likely not to offend anyone, and the roads will be a bit safer having less annoyed, less aggressive drivers.
That's about it with the LPSL (loud pipes save lives) myth; check back next week for part 2 of “Most Common Motorcycle Myths Debunkedâ€.
Hmm déjà vu...... ;D
Be Big,
AMAC