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General => Technical | How To => Topic started by: blackhawkfan on April 20, 2015, 04:58:06 PM
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Was thinking of throwing a hand pump in the underseat storage of my scoot for emergencies, but will one of those be of any use pumping up the scoots' tires? I don't mind pumping about, say, 20-30 strokes but don't want a coronary if it's going to take lots more. This will only be for topping off the tires, which, in my experience, have only ever been down about three pounds at worst. The kind I am considering is the type that attaches to a bicycle frame and is a long, slender tube. Thanks.
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I keep the following under my seat:
http://www.sears.com/craftsman-12v-portable-inflator-w-digital-tire-pressure/p-02875114000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=02875114000&kispla=02875114000P&kpid=02875114000&mktRedirect=y (http://www.sears.com/craftsman-12v-portable-inflator-w-digital-tire-pressure/p-02875114000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=02875114000&kispla=02875114000P&kpid=02875114000&mktRedirect=y)
Been working solid for 3 years now, no problems, think I got it on sale for like $25 bucks, a bike pump is just a little less than that!
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Got a bicycle pump from Wal-Mart for less than 10 bucks that works well to top up the tires. I would be reluctant to do more than top up. The 12 volt pumps are great but the cigar lighter type outlets on Kymcos are for just cell phones and such and will NOT run a 12v tire inflator. Ya gotta do what De-dee and others have done and run a #12 wire with a 10-20 amp fuse.
Karl
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Thanks for the input. I have one of those 12 volt pumps but figured it would be easier to use a bike pump for adding a pound or two than hooking up the inflator. I don't have a cigarette lighter outlet on my S8, and figured it would be hooked up directly to the battery. I'm a little leery about using one as I wonder if it might just drain my battery to use it.
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on this sight.
I have had motorcycles all my adult life and this is the best repair kit and inflator I have ever used.
Genuine Innovations CO2 Inflator.
If you try one of these you will never go back to pumps.
Small, compact, light weight, and they WORK!.
Two of those 40 gm cylinders are good for a hard fill on any scooter tire.
If any one here has doubts about how well this system works, I suggest you buy the inflator and four 40gm, cylinders, "two to try, and the other two to carry with scoot for emergency tire repairs. Deflate your rear tire at home or in your garage. "Any repair is easier at home than on the side of the road". It will give you experience on how to use and give you peace of mind. Use two of the cylinders to inflate deflated tire. You will see how good this system works and will never have a desire to use compressors or hand pumps again.
Details of my personal kit: Inflator, sticky rope, two 40gm CO2 cylinders, small bottle of soapy water, chalk, needle nose pliers, insert handle.
Sticky rope and insert handles can be purchased at discount stores.
Inflator and cylinders can be purchased at any good bicycle shop.
"Important safety precaution", never carry cans of aerosol or compressed air in direct sunlight, in or on your vehicle. Place under seat or in saddle bags.
search: "best repair kit IMHO"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/ice1/tirerepairkit_zpsa435f10e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ice1/media/tirerepairkit_zpsa435f10e.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/ice1/co2inflationchart_zps6fd81b8c.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ice1/media/co2inflationchart_zps6fd81b8c.jpg.html)
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I keep a hand-held bike pump in my scooter at all times. Mostly just use it to add a bit of air that's needed here or there to keep the correct PSI in the tires. In case of an emergency flat however, it would take you less time to walk home, retrieve a pump, walk back, and pump up the tires vs. sitting there all day and night with the hand-held pump.
For those emergency moments, I would recommend one of these:
http://www.rei.com/product/851753/genuine-innovations-ultraflate-plus-co2-tire-inflator (http://www.rei.com/product/851753/genuine-innovations-ultraflate-plus-co2-tire-inflator)
http://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4/ref=sr_1_1/187-8968630-4079434?ie=UTF8&qid=1431622079&sr=8-1&keywords=motorcycle+tire+pump (http://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4/ref=sr_1_1/187-8968630-4079434?ie=UTF8&qid=1431622079&sr=8-1&keywords=motorcycle+tire+pump)
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on this sight.
I have had motorcycles all my adult life and this is the best repair kit and inflator I have ever used.
Genuine Innovations CO2 Inflator.
If you try one of these you will never go back to pumps.
Small, compact, light weight, and they WORK!.
search: "best repair kit IMHO"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/ice1/tirerepairkit_zpsa435f10e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ice1/media/tirerepairkit_zpsa435f10e.jpg.html)
Now that's a great idea if it really works
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Get something like this.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200328573_200328573?utm_source=CSE&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Air%20Tools%20%2B%20Compressors%20%3E%20Single%20Stage%20Electric%20Air%20Compressors&utm_content=2000428&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2000428&gclid=COapqJrDwsUCFdcegQodvjYATQ (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200328573_200328573?utm_source=CSE&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Air%20Tools%20%2B%20Compressors%20%3E%20Single%20Stage%20Electric%20Air%20Compressors&utm_content=2000428&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2000428&gclid=COapqJrDwsUCFdcegQodvjYATQ)
Run the engine if you're worried about running the battery down.
I've changed tires with this pump. Takes a while to pop the seal, but it does work.
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Now that's a great idea if it really works
obark, these inflators work good. I sh** you not.
Compact and light weight.
No need for heavy, bulky pumps or wires to run compressor. Besides, most electric pumps that are compact enough to carry on a scoot or motorcycle are not worth a sh** to begin with.
I found out about cheap discount store compressors the hard way on one hot summer day.
I carry rope plugs and insert handle.
Had a flat on rear of my VMax motorcycle. Plugged it, inflated it, rode home. Put on a new tire later.
Had a flat on the rear of my GT at 8000+ miles. Did the same thing.
Both times, sticky rope and CO2 worked great.
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Shoot, I need to get that. Sometimes I go more then 20 miles from home on my scoot and would not be fun with a flat and no repairs on hand
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Get something like this.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200328573_200328573?utm_source=CSE&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Air%20Tools%20%2B%20Compressors%20%3E%20Single%20Stage%20Electric%20Air%20Compressors&utm_content=2000428&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2000428&gclid=COapqJrDwsUCFdcegQodvjYATQ (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200328573_200328573?utm_source=CSE&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Air%20Tools%20%2B%20Compressors%20%3E%20Single%20Stage%20Electric%20Air%20Compressors&utm_content=2000428&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2000428&gclid=COapqJrDwsUCFdcegQodvjYATQ)
Run the engine if you're worried about running the battery down.
I've changed tires with this pump. Takes a while to pop the seal, but it does work.
I got similar pump for about 13 USD
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You sure that it will not blow a fuse
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You sure that it will not blow a fuse
Yes, after using them for 10 years I'm pretty sure they won't blow a fuse.
At least none of mine have.
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Ahh, they will not blow a fuse in a car or pick up but Kymco scooters are fused for cell phones and other low current yuppie devices, mostly 1 amp OR LESS! The electric tire pumps draw about 8 to 10 amps.
Karl
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That's what I was thinking
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There are options.
On my SYM RV 250 I use the stock 12 volt plug, no issues.
On my Yager 200 I use the fused 12 volt plug I wired direct to the battery, no issues.
Most pumps come with a fused pigtail hooked direct to battery.
Easy to run the wire to some accessible point on the scooter.
You guys are making it sound harder than it is.
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There are options.
On my SYM RV 250 I use the stock 12 volt plug, no issues.
On my Yager 200 I use the fused 12 volt plug I wired direct to the battery, no issues.
Most pumps come with a fused pigtail hooked direct to battery.
Easy to run the wire to some accessible point on the scooter.
You guys are making it sound harder than it is.
Remember....this is for information purpose only and to be 100% sure that the stock fuse can handle it, that's all LEARNING INFORMATION
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You're right.
Probably best to run a dedicated fused line for the pump.
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Has anyone tried using Ride-On? It claims not only to seal the tires but also to balance them so balance weights don't need to be used. It seems to be getting great reviews on Amazon?
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Has anyone tried using Ride-On? It claims not only to seal the tires but also to balance them so balance weights don't need to be used. It seems to be getting great reviews on Amazon?
Ride On is very popular with cyclers and ATV riders. Supposed to be one of the best in this catagory. Personally, I have not used it.
I have used aerosol puncture/sealers twice in car tires. First time I had good results. Second time it got my tire out of balance pretty bad.
"It is important to spin tire soon after putting in sealer".
The CO2 / sticky rope system has worked good for me over the years.
If I chose to carry an aerosol flat fix, Ride On would be my choice.
My first choice would be CO2 and sticky rope. Why?, because I have faith in it.
ps: Feeding sticky rope into a hole in a tire can be a little hard some times.
Keep in mind, none of these types of repair kits will work if you have a very large or sidewall cut/puncture.
Fortunately, most flats are caused by nails and screws in the tread area and can be repaired on site.
If you ever have to repair a flat out in the "boondocks", after the repair, check repaired area with soapy water or spit to make sure it is not leaking air.
If the repair is successful, ride home or to a tire shop slow and careful.
Don't take off like a bat out of hell.
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I had bought one of those stop-n-go tire repair kits with the plugs and the little compressor, but always was concerened it might draw a little too much current.
So.....
I just recently had my dealer install a 12v cigarette outlet that is not only fused but connected directly to the battery through a relay. It's keyed to work with the ignition on.
I suppose now it's not a worry. On the real plus side, I can power all sorts of things electronic that I mount to the RAM balls I've installed on the brake fluid resevoir covers.
I've used the C02 inflators as well. They saved my keester for sure.
Don in KC.
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You might want to change that relay from "keyed" activation to a switch somewhere on the bike.
Unless he installed a "continuous duty relay (ie: about 150.00 bucks) it will have a short life, and not work when you actually need it.
Standard Bosch or Cole Hersey 30amp 5 pin relay's heat up, and self destruct when held on continuously.
In fact I would suggest running a pair of 12awg wires direct to your outlet, and have nothing to worry about. Just install a 10 amp fuse at the battery.
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Thats what I think I did. Direct connection to the battery using discarded lamp cord via a switch and fuse.
I dont know enough about relays to question the use of one.