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Motorcycles => Venox 250 => Topic started by: adri on December 06, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
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Hey everyone,
After putting about 10,000 KM on the Venox, I've decided it's time I wrote up a review.
Here's a quick summary:
Performance: Excellence, likely the best 250cc cruiser available in the Canadian market. Definitely beats out the 250cc bikes from the japanese big 4.
Ergonomics: Bigger size, seat, and weight are all a plus. The brakes can handle it, although emergency breaking with a passenger can get a little scary (it's a shame there's no rear disk brake, just a drum).
Problems: Only had one small problem, a fork seal, that was replaced and I was in and out in the same day.
Looks: A+. At rallies and bike meets, my Venox gets more attention than bikes 4x as expensive (added bonus: this pisses off quite a few rich weekend warriors haha).
Please check out the full KYMCO Venox Review (http://ourlittleadventures.com/KYMCO-Venox-10000-km-review.html). If that link doesn't work just click http://ourlittleadventures.com/KYMCO-Venox-10000-km-review.html (http://ourlittleadventures.com/KYMCO-Venox-10000-km-review.html)
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Excellent review. I agree -- the motorcycle rags that test-ride a bike on an afternoon and then review it are pretty much just a paid advertisement. Your "lived-in" review has actual value to those shopping for a bike.
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Thanks!
I saw ya on fuelly and checked out the link to your blog. Excellent stuff man!
People 250 hey? Nice. I took the People 50, 125, and 200 out. The 200 was nice, but the extra 50cc must be a big step up. (the 250 isn't available in Canada, and like you we're wondering about some of the models like the 300)
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I once test-rode a PS200 (http://kymcojones.blogspot.com/2008/02/groundhog-saw-his-scooter.html), but not at highway speeds (it was the dealer's, and new, not broken in). I can't recall, but I think like most other "200" scooters, this one is quite a few ccs shy of 200cc (like, maybe 172cc?).
Thanks for checkin' out the blog... I should have some more Christmas lights photos up in a few days. :)
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I just bought my Venox here in Australia 3 weeks ago and it started gushing fork oil all over my driveway. I am now waiting for a seal coming from god knows where (over Christmas could be a wait) Has anyone else had this problem ?.The mechanic at the dealer told me he's never replaced a fork seal before which just filled me with confidence. Will have to wait and see reliability of bike from now on. Not impressed with this at all. Bike is off the road after only 170kms.
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Fork seals very rarely go bad. There are really only three likely suspects. First I would think a defective seal, which should have been caught by the person installing it at the factory, which is also the second suspect, a hung over about to be fired assembler who just didn't care, and third too much oil in the shock. A fair sized bump or pot hole can generate enough pressure inside an over filled shock to "blow " the seal. In any event it is a very rare occurrence.
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I just bought my Venox here in Australia 3 weeks ago and it started gushing fork oil all over my driveway. I am now waiting for a seal coming from god knows where (over Christmas could be a wait) Has anyone else had this problem ?.The mechanic at the dealer told me he's never replaced a fork seal before which just filled me with confidence. Will have to wait and see reliability of bike from now on. Not impressed with this at all. Bike is off the road after only 170kms.
Be sure to check out my review. I mention my fork seal issue. It was cover under warranty without any fuss and I was in and out in the same day.
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I have two venoxes, one since 2004 the other since 2006. Between the two have 100,000 plus miles with out any issues.
Sounds like a factory installed issue and should be warranty covered.
The front fork like many of the parts is not a new product as it shares the same parts as the Honda Magna 250 / VT250c which has been on the road since the early 90's.
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I am now entering my 4th week without my Venox due to the faulty fork seal. I do blame Kymco for the defect however the wait for both the part (which my retailer ordered incorrectly and got the capping instead) and for the mechanic to become available for the job has been excruciating. To be honest I am furious. Also I have messaged KYMCO in Taiwan from their website with some enquiries no less than 4 times and they just don't reply. This just would point blank not happen if I bought a Honda or Suzuki and am now having serious misgivings about the Venox. I know it has the potential to be a great bike but I have only had the bike for 2 weeks out of 7 that I have owned it. Living in a backwater like Adelaide doesn't help either as getting a capable and motivated mechanic can be very difficult indeed.
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That is my PET PEEVE. Kymco, more than any other brand I have dealt with has terrible customer support. Starting from the Importer down. I WILL NOT give ANY business to the dealer in my area. They sell scooters they no NOTHING about, and have high school kids working as mechanics, when they finish their homework. The last part I had the dealer order, was wrong TWICE! I got on the phone with the HEAD of Kymco usa, and was told my '04 superfever is either Canadian, or Mexican??????.(because it was painted factory lime green) The VIN proved otherwise. I am leaving all names out to protect the guilty. If I did not have the tools, training, and time I would not own a Kymco. While Kymco is a very well built machine, their support SUCKS! Perhaps a re-hab of U.S. dealers is in order. School for ALL involved at EVERY dealer is first Priority. I understand your frustration.
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Trav, Have you spoken to Kymco in Melbourne? If not give them a call (look up there number on the net) and ask to speak with Malcolm Price. Tell him I sent you, and I am sure he will do all he can to get you going again asap. I have dealt with him a few times and have found him to be faultless, and very prompt at getting anything done for me, and Im 300km away!
Andrew Holt
Warrnambool
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That is my PET PEEVE. Kymco, more than any other brand I have dealt with has terrible customer support. Starting from the Importer down. I WILL NOT give ANY business to the dealer in my area. They sell scooters they no NOTHING about, and have high school kids working as mechanics, when they finish their homework. The last part I had the dealer order, was wrong TWICE! I got on the phone with the HEAD of Kymco usa, and was told my '04 superfever is either Canadian, or Mexican??????.(because it was painted factory lime green) The VIN proved otherwise. I am leaving all names out to protect the guilty. If I did not have the tools, training, and time I would not own a Kymco. While Kymco is a very well built machine, their support SUCKS! Perhaps a re-hab of U.S. dealers is in order. School for ALL involved at EVERY dealer is first Priority. I understand your frustration.
The same story is pretty much with ANY car or motorcycle brand I've ever owned.
Everything is OK as long as there are no problems.
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Trav, Have you spoken to Kymco in Melbourne? If not give them a call (look up there number on the net) and ask to speak with Malcolm Price. Tell him I sent you, and I am sure he will do all he can to get you going again asap. I have dealt with him a few times and have found him to be faultless, and very prompt at getting anything done for me, and Im 300km away!
Andrew Holt
Warrnambool
Thanks for your input, great to have support at least from fellow owners.
I have actually been corresponding with Malcolm through email and it seems he must be out of the office a lot because it takes a week to get an answer. If I get time at work I'll try phoning but ultimately the buck stops with the manufacturer KYMCO and whether the retailer has a proficient mechanic available all the time, not just occasionally. From what I read in posts and blogs this fork seal issue is prevalent in Venox so why is Kymco not addressing it. Have now emailed KYMCO in Taiwan 4 times about different issues through their global site with no response over a 4 week period. Venox a great bike but Kymco's after sales service is the most appauling I have ever experienced for any product ever.
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Yikes, I've had no problems with KYMCO Canada in terms of service.
When I needed to get a seal replaced they told me to wait a couple days before bringing it in (my bike was still rideable). When I came in they had me in and out in the same day as they usually do.
I could try to ship you the fork seals at whatever the cost is for the seals + shipping... but it might take three weeks to arrive from Canada :\
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Unfortunately, here in the U.S. we don't get the Venox anymore. :(
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Hi, I have a kymco zx50 scooter, as for getting parts I have found it nearly impossible, for the carb insulator it took ten months, I tried 3 dealers, 1 in whyalla and 2 in adelaide. now that kymco are doing away with the bugscooters and importing them themselves I hope for an improvement. funny thing, about 3 days after getting the part, one turned up on ebay. oh well, thats life. if you need help with anything, there are a lot of people on this forum who are worth their weight in gold, willing to help and advise.
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I'm assuming you're located in Australia?
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Yeah, in Australia. with Kymco things can only get better and I hope they do.
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The venox is pretty sexy. Glad you like it!
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Hey everyone,
After putting about 10,000 KM on the Venox, I've decided it's time I wrote up a review.
Here's a quick summary:
Performance: Excellence, likely the best 250cc cruiser available in the Canadian market. Definitely beats out the 250cc bikes from the japanese big 4.
Ergonomics: Bigger size, seat, and weight are all a plus. The brakes can handle it, although emergency breaking with a passenger can get a little scary (it's a shame there's no rear disk brake, just a drum).
Problems: Only had one small problem, a fork seal, that was replaced and I was in and out in the same day.
Looks: A+. At rallies and bike meets, my Venox gets more attention than bikes 4x as expensive (added bonus: this pisses off quite a few rich weekend warriors haha).
Please check out the full KYMCO Venox Review (http://ourlittleadventures.com/KYMCO-Venox-10000-km-review.html). If that link doesn't work just click http://ourlittleadventures.com/KYMCO-Venox-10000-km-review.html (http://ourlittleadventures.com/KYMCO-Venox-10000-km-review.html)
Outstanding news adri, Thanks a lot!
I was looking at a 2002 Honda VT250, however on speaking with my Kymco dealer, he's just told me that they are, in fact exactly the same bike!
In fact, from what I understand Kymco used to build bikes for Honda from approx 1960 - 2003.
This is how I see it:
Spend $4500 - $5500 on an 8 year old VT250 with 20,000 - 50,000 km's... OR......
Spend $5890 on a brand new Venox 250 (apparently its exactly the same machine)
Can anyone else shed some light on the whole Honda/Kymco relationship please?
Thanks, Josh.
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Hi Everyone,
I bought my Venox about 3 months ago and Im completely crazy about it. You can see my personal vids on youtube just type in my Username MrGoldfire. Since buying my Venox I have customised the pipes mirrors and grips. I have also debadged and removed all stickers. The bike looks great I get looks everyday and notice people stopping and having closer looks when its parked. People cannot believe it when I tell em that its a 250cc due to its chunky size.
It just simply kicks ass.
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Welcome, Iron8 ! Glad you're liking your new bike! How about posting some pictures of it so the rest of us can enjoy? ;D
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In fact, from what I understand Kymco used to build bikes for Honda from approx 1960 - 2003.
Thanks, Josh.
This is a myth.
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This is a myth.
A myth?, really?
Does anyone really know what the go is with that?
I've done a fair bit of researching on both Honda & Kymco, and both sides mention the relationship more than once... even Wikipedia.
Would love to get to the bottom of this - any takers?
Josh
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As for as i can tell this is true,they manufactured for the big three from the 60's to the mid 70's similar to china now. But of corse this is all internet info and dealers i've spoken to who may have a reason to put there slant on it. Me personaly I was a big honda fan and have switched to kymco as a faverite in the scooter department. They are not honda's,but of good quality overall,they did skimp on a few things (The seats being my biggest bitch) and with the people line up have started some of there own r/d to my knoledge. Who know's ?
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..i thot the two were once bedfellows, to a certain extent...
..not so far as to have been one company, but they combined efforts on a cpl of particular projects, technology sharing, etc..
..i could be wrong, but i don't think so...
..hmmm...
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This is a myth.
FACT:
Honda started the company that later became Kymco in 1963 as Taiwan Honda , at that time Taiwan was a lower cost labor source just like ALL companies are now sourcing parts in China / India etc. for the same reasons.
Eventually the company that was started split into two different companies: KYMCO & SYM's as they are today with Honda no longer being involved in corporate decisions .
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FACT:
Honda started the company that later became Kymco in 1963 as Taiwan Honda , at that time Taiwan was a lower cost labor source just like ALL companies are now sourcing parts in China / India etc. for the same reasons.
Eventually the company that was started split into two different companies: KYMCO & SYM's as they are today with Honda no longer being involved in corporate decisions .
Aha!
Thanks PIWYRCOM for finding that out.
I always wondered....
So I guess, based on that, then my Kymco dealer is full of it, saying that the Venox is the same as a VT250, just different cosmetics.
Oh well, from what I've heard, the Venox is a great machine so i'm still leaning towards gettin me a dark red one ;D
I just love the fact, that out of all the cruisers manufactured today, they look so much bigger and fatter than the rest (for a 250 that is)
Josh.
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...there a few kymcos and syms that are very similar in appearance.
..some of the mechanics are very similar too, but they are still two different animals...
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Hi, I have a kymco zx50 scooter, as for getting parts I have found it nearly impossible, for the carb insulator it took ten months, I tried 3 dealers, 1 in whyalla and 2 in adelaide. now that kymco are doing away with the bugscooters and importing them themselves I hope for an improvement. funny thing, about 3 days after getting the part, one turned up on ebay. oh well, thats life. if you need help with anything, there are a lot of people on this forum who are worth their weight in gold, willing to help and advise.
Hey Sid,
By "Carb Insulator" do you mean Inlet Manifold? - The rubber thing that fits over the outlet side of your carb....
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...there a few kymcos and syms that are very similar in appearance.
..some of the mechanics are very similar too, but they are still two different animals...
From what I understand 'Slinger, Kymco's used to be sold under the PGO, however since Kymco decided to set up a dealer network in Australia, PGO has been killed off (In Aust, anyway).
Apparently, PGO's were simply re-badged Kymco's for their Australian (and possibly various other countries?) market.
Josh.
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..cool..i didn't know that...
..so much to learn........
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Well at least we never stop learning!
Speaking of learning.....
Woo Hooo!!!! - My new Keihin 24mm CV Carb arrived today. Can't wait to bolt that sucker on! *do you think I should wait for my exhaust to arrive first??? (next week methinlksI
Josh
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..well, if you wait, there will be only one bout of carb tuning....
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Hmmm... Good thinking!
I think I'd better keep it locked away for now (DAMN HARD TO DO!)
BTW, I pulled both jets out and I have a 105 & a 35 in there at the moment.
Any thoughts on weather or not this is a good place to start for a 50 4T, or should I order some bigger ones in for an initial starting point?
I always like to start off way richer than it needs to be as a safety measure.... then start cutting back in jet size from there on.
J
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..i'm sure the 35 will be fine...you will be able to adjust air mix screw to get your idle setup..
..105 will be really close, and probably not lean enough to cause damage, even if it is on the lean side....
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FACT:Kymco & SYM
Honda/Taiwan started the company in 1963 that eventually became Kymco & SYM.
Kymco & SYM are both spin-offs from the same original Honda/Taiwan company.
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Okaay.....
You said that earlier. and I said thank you.
Sooo...... thank you again.
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..umm..huh?
;D
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That's what I was thinking 'Slinger.... Josh is confused ???
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The article remains one of my sites busiest. We've had a lot of traffic from KYMCO Forum, thanks guys.
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