KymcoForum.com
General => Technical | How To => Topic started by: Lammy1000 on April 18, 2010, 09:34:42 PM
-
My new scooter started stalling since taking ownership. It will start and run great, except every 0.5 to 8 miles it will stall. After coasting to the side of the road (Very Dangerous situation) it will restart and run fine till the same thing reoccurs. I tried riding without fuel cap and adding carb cleaner (Seafoam) without success. After 80 miles it is back at the dealers.
The dealer was able to experience this stalling and he then noticed a weak or nonexistent spark at the sparkplug. This even has me perplexed because it always immediately restarted. Any comments are appreciated.
-
Sounds to me like a fuel starvation issue. Check the petcock and may need to take apart and clean out the carb thoroughly.
-
Thanks for the suggestion. I will do this if the dealer can not fix...let's hope a professional mechanic can fix a scooter. Anyway, I would think that if it was fuel starvation it would stall when going up hills where the demand for more fuel was greater?
Also, is the petcock vacuum controlled? I believe it is so if a vacuum line was not properly attached or was cracked it would cause fuel starvation. This will also be checked. Thanks.
-
I have had both CDI's, and stators act that way. They heat up, and short out. once they cool off a little the cycle repeats. You can test the stator by running it till it cuts out, and do the resistance tests in the manual, and the cdi would be the culprit if the stator passes the tests. Hopefully the shop has seen this before, and gets it right for you. You may want to bring it to their attention just in case.
-
I would think an electrical issue being less the culprit since it starts right back up. You are correct, the petcock is vacuum activated. If there was a small crack in the line that could be the cause.
-
weak or nonexistent spark...
-
Yeah, I suppose it could be. That may be another issue all together though.
-
The mechanic got the scooter to stall, presumably near their shop, where he reoved the spark plug and witnessed its weak / nonexistent spark. The spark returns and is strong enough to allow good combustion....this thing has stalled at speed at least 12 times. Each time it starts right back up, runs great, until it stalls yet again 0.5 to 8 miles later. Ugh
-
I would think an electrical issue being less the culprit since it starts right back up. You are correct, the petcock is vacuum activated. If there was a small crack in the line that could be the cause.
...if the carb ran out of fuel due to a vacuum leak, wouldn't he have to suck the tube to get fuel back into the line and carb before it would re-start?..
..says it fires right back up...
-
Good point Slinger. You would have to crank for a few seconds to get fuel back in the carb. I hate those electrical bugs!
-
..I can't get my scoot started from a dry bowl with just the starter...gotta prime it first..
-
Update: The mechanic checked the pulser coil while warm and ohms were in spec at 108. The CDI will be replaced with a new unit, hopefully this afternoon. After hours of research the only incidence of this intermittent stalling was traced to a faulty CDI.
http://angrytransportationrants.blogspot.com/2010/04/scooter-review-2009-kymco-people-150.html (http://angrytransportationrants.blogspot.com/2010/04/scooter-review-2009-kymco-people-150.html)
-
Here we go: New CDI and it still stalled. New ignition coil will be tried.
-
could be the Ign. Coil, but my money is still on the stator itself not the pulser coil. I have never seen a pulser go bad (not saying they could not), But I have seen dozens of stators act as you described. In reading your blog spot, Why would you want to keep it if you are that dissatisfied? The scoot still has a good resale value, and you could likely get 2 China scoots for the balance! (1 for riding, and 1 for parts)
-
This god damn machine has 80 miles on it. If its not fixed or replaced with a brand new one I will go postal..literally
Stator / magneto checked and supposedly ok.
-
Well then! There are really 2 issues here. One is a new scoot that obviously has an issue, and the second is the dealer being qualified to repair it. There is NO WAY the dealer can back out and tell you yo live w/ it so as I see it while patience may be a virtue... It is not mandatory. Once the trouble is found it may be easier to like the scoot. There are soo few parts it could be that the dealer can easily replace them all and still be paid from Kymco for the warranty repair, and MAYBE get a qualified tech. to help out even if only part time, as they really do not break down. Give the guy a few days.
-
Lammy , it sounds to me like you and Kymco have "irreconcilable differences" . As a twice married and now happily divorced person I can say with some athority sh** happens . Since you are intent on a 150 cc scooter I would like to suggest that when you get your people running you take it to the nearest Honda shop and trade it for a sh150 i . I have owned several Hondas and they are rock solid reliable . At this point I really don't see you ever enjoying or trusting your Kymco . Good luck .
-
Lammy , it sounds to me like you and Kymco have "irreconcilable differences" . As a twice married and now happily divorced person I can say with some athority sh** happens . Since you are intent on a 150 cc scooter I would like to suggest that when you get your people running you take it to the nearest Honda shop and trade it for a sh150 i . I have owned several Hondas and they are rock solid reliable . At this point I really don't see you ever enjoying or trusting your Kymco . Good luck .
If I could do it over again the mighty Honda would have been purhased, even if it is $1400 more. However, now faced w/ the depreciation issue of the kymco, cost is too exhorbinant.
Are you guys telling me that kymcos really aren't pos's????
-
..got 45,000 km on my '08 and never a bolt turned that i didn't want to turn....
peace of mind
-
I have heard it said that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery . The Honda sh150i is Hondas polished and updated copy of the people 150 . Look at it closely and tell me it ain't so . Nuff said ?
-
In the 88 miles I put on it, and other than it stalling occasionally, this scooter ran and handled great. The larger wheels and good suspension made it better handling than competitors. Motor actually runs great. Believe it or not I am considering a 250 Kymco for myself. The dealer has installed a new magneto today @ 9:30 am and I am waiting to hear how that went. Apparently, my excitement to resolve this issue has made me a bit of a pest and I have been calling / visiting the dealer's mechanic too much. Owner explained this to me in no uncertain terms.
-
I really do hope you resolve your issues and find the scooter that puts a smile on your face . And by the way congratulations , it takes a big man to admit a mistake ! Good luck and enjoy your scoot , whichever one you end up with .
-
Thanks. My wife (who will be riding this scoot) just stopped at the dealers. He was very supportive and offered a new replacement if not reparable-unlikely. Also, they have talking w/Kymco and were actively working on the scoot while she was there.
-
Its good to hear you are making some progress. Sometimes things seem pretty bad but once you get past the rough spot you can look forward and enjoy it all that much better. Happy scootin'.
-
Happy scootin' Lammy! Keep us posted!
-
Time for an update. The dealer promised to replace the 150 w/ a new replacement if problem could not be resolved. So, after arriving Fri (day 6), the head mechanic had spoke to Kymco and checks of the wiring harness were needed with possible replacement of the harness. I pretty much lost it and stated the time had come to go the replacement route. The dealer has replaced my problematic peop 150 w/ a new, great running scoot and I commend and recommend him for it. I will likely buy another machine in the future and will give positive press: Griffin Motosports, Schenectady, NY...great customer support.
-
Now THAT'S what you call a resolution! Happy and safe scootin', Lammy.
Don't forget to tell your insurance you got a new one as a replacement with new VIN number.
Guess you gotta transfer your tag/registration too huh?
-
The dealer handled the paperwork very efficiently.
If People owners would state their miles acculated and repairs required (not normal maintenance) that would make for a good read. Thanks.
-
Griffin Motosports, Schenectady, NY...great customer support. Make sure to put them on your Christmas card list.
-
...it's refreshing to hear of a dealer doing the RIGHT THING!!! for a change...
..scoot on Lammy!!!!!
;D
-
I think Lammy's real name is Joey 2 bones! No Diss Lammy Just Had to Say...~
-
I guess the joke is on me because my name is Jack Mehauf :D
-
Touche!
-
... I thought it was Mike Hunt LOL :-*
I wonder if the problem my not be a loose connection between the spark plug cap and the wire proper? The cap (a hard spark plug boot sort thingy) has a threaded shaft that spins into the center of the spark plug wire. On my 2005 P250, I had a similar issue to this.
As to the durability.. they are bullet proof. I have over 30,000 KM on my bike.
As to Honda copying.. I understand Kymco made scooters and other sub assemblies for Honda before setting out on their own. Kymco makes the motor in the new BMW Enduro bike and BMW advertises (well... maybe confirms in their materials) this fact. They still make the engine and CVT for many different quad and snow machine companies in addition to their own quads and side-by-sides.