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Scooters - 125 to 300 => People 250 => Topic started by: ispud on September 16, 2010, 08:54:40 PM
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According to Amanda from Kymco USA WM29 is the part number for the service manual for the S250. Before I shell out 35 bucks for one I would like to know it is indeed the right one. Anyone out there bought this? If so are the instructions translated well or is it gobbly gook like the 250 SM I have found online? And does it in fact deal with the workings of my 2009 S250. Thanks,
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According to Amanda from Kymco USA WM29 is the part number for the service manual for the S250. Before I shell out 35 bucks for one I would like to know it is indeed the right one. Anyone out there bought this? If so are the instructions translated well or is it gobbly gook like the 250 SM I have found online? And does it in fact deal with the workings of my 2009 S250. Thanks,
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Ask her does it show S Tupperware or 250 Tupperware.
If it shows 250 Tupperware, I will send it to you for free.
So far I have not seen genuine service manual for S.
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There is a manual available for the S 200
A lot of the stuff is the same, especially body panel removal should be about identical.
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I already have the wrong one dated Jan 2006, that says S, but show the non S. Does anyone have this one - WM29?? Is the question.
I hate the thought processes in the one I have and fear even if I get a proper one for my scooter the thought process will cause me an equal amount of grief - although I only plan on doing easy stuff, I would like to be able to take off panels and do standard maintenance without worrying about breaking tabs off or doing other damage on the way in. Latest project is to change antifreeze, but getting to the radiator cap is downright baffling, and I am hoping the drain plug is out in the open - I know what a mission impossible it is to get body panels off the main body - somebody should get a spanking. Next scooter I buy I will make sure that accessing the inner workings is not so freaking hard.
Kinda scoping a Honda 260 Big Ruckus - although I have never actually seen one up close. Also the 300 city Kymco is looking interesting, but its smaller wheels have me a little worried and it kinda has that mad Chinese scooter look to it that I have been avoiding - like many of the other Kymcos. Haven't actually seen one of these either - perils of living in Idaho.
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The SYM HD 200, which will more than keep up with your P250 (except the top speed is about 75 MPH) is just so much easier to work with. From changing a bulb to doing the anti-freeze, it is a pleasure. I have never had the main body off, even to adjust the valves ( but the bottom ones are a BITCH if you don't have one of those stands that elevate the scoot).
On my S200 you have to pull the main body to change a spark plug! And just about take it down to the frame to change a front light bulb. VERY poorly thought out.
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The part number for my S200 manual is WM27 if that helps. It's really well done as far as I'm concerned and written in the King's English.
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Have you looked at all of my downloads?
http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/ (http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/)
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Have you looked at all of my downloads?
http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/ (http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/)
Wrong one, again. 250, not 250S.
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AXY,
On the first page of the http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/Service%20Guides/P250-250S%20cap%2001%20%28GENERAL%20INFORMATION%29.pdf (http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/Service%20Guides/P250-250S%20cap%2001%20%28GENERAL%20INFORMATION%29.pdf) it says that it is for both the P and the PS...
What exactly are looking for...aside from wm29.
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Pages 12 to 16 of Service Guide 2 cover how to take the plastics off the PS. In general, the guides have the P stuff first and the PS specific items last.
http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/Service%20Guides/P250-250S%20cap%2002%20(PLASTICS%20MUFFLER).pdf (http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Kymco/Kymco%20P250%20Manual/Service%20Guides/P250-250S%20cap%2002%20(PLASTICS%20MUFFLER).pdf)
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This is People 250:
(http://www.bikez.com/pictures/kymco/2004/20979_0_1_2_people%20250_Image%20credits%20-%20http%20---scootgirl.com-.jpg)
This is People 250S:
(http://www.justgottascoot.com/images/People250S.jpg)
"Your manual" is the same like one I have and it shows People 250, not People 250S.
Try to disassemble plastic parts of 250S using that manual and you will understand what I am talking about.
I already did...
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AGAIN
use the manual for the S200
they look alike, the disassembly has to be near identical.
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For a number of reasons they just "look" identical but they are not.
S200 is air cooled, S250 is water cooled.
Consequence #1: S250 has much bigger front part of the scoot, inside are both ventilator and radiator grille - S200 does not have either.
Consequence #2: much more plastic parts in front to keep everything in place and different way to disassemble everything too.
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I have just had a look at the kymco people s 250 manual. In section 2, the exhaust-frame covers removal, from page 12 they show a different scooter, I dont know if this is the one you are after.
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I have just had a look at the kymco people s 250 manual. In section 2, the exhaust-frame covers removal, from page 12 they show a different scooter, I dont know if this is the one you are after.
This is exactly what I speak of. The back of this book cover the removal of the panels of the s modeled People.
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Hey, that 250s looks pretty cool, sorta like a space age version.
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..i like'm BOTH!!!
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after page 12 does look ps250 - my favorite quote - .Removes the decoration covers by the little
tool push the decoration of a back claw.
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Sooo... inquiring minds want to know.. is this Service Guide going to help? Aside from the fact that we don't know what the claws are and we still don't know what 'met-in box' really means.
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'met-in box'
The in-box for da helmet?
You put the helmet-in da box
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I still like "pet carrier" more...
If you don't know... the underseat area in Vespas are commonly called "Pet Carriers" in the US. Many of them must be moved during fueling the bike. The underseat is like a bucket under the seat that can be turned and left in the bike or placed on the ground next to the bike to gain access to the fuel cap and filler tube.
Apparently some unintelligent person decided to place their small dog in the underseat bucket during a ride. The animal died during the ride. i assume it was tue to the heat and lack of fresh air. The person sued Piaiggio (Vespa's parent company).
They now add the sticker below to the underseat area of all USA spec Vespa scooters.
In true scooter style, they now call the underseat area, the "Pet Carrier"
(http://danilogurovich.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/no_pets_sq.jpg)
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A sym 200 out performs my ps250?? I find this amazing. My ps250 is about twice as fast and fun to ride as my 200 Aprilia Scarabeo. I know the scarabeo is doggy Chinese knock off, but now I have to go test ride the sym 200 - I will buy it if it is faster than my ps250 and easier to get to workings.
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I accept your challenge as follows:
The HD 200 SYM has a lower top speed. If you look on Scoot Dawg or SYM owners forum, you will see that Jeff modded the FireDrake to hit 85 MPH GPS verified. But the stock HD does 73-75 MPH.
It will beat just about any car off the line except BMWs - they just can't stand to be beat by a scooter and will run you off the road before they allow you to win. So I don't challenge BMWs anymore. But aside from the crazy German car drivers, no car that pulled alongside me at a light ever beat me.
The roll on accel from 20-50 MPH is just amazing. I have an on ramp to the parkway near my house, it is my test strip. The S 200 will just about hit 50 on the ramp. The SYM is doing 60+ in the same space, and merges into traffic at close to 65 MPH. That's GPS, not indicated.
I don't know how the S250 rides, but the SYM rides like a big cruiser motorcycle. VERY solid ride, very unlike the S200, which seem to think it is a 50cc handling wise. Of course, which you prefer is a matter of personal taste, except that the SYM is fine on the highway, the S 200 is not.
After one crash and two drops and 6800+ miles, I have yet to remove ANYTHING from the SYM except for:
1. Front shield to change light bulbs and fill radiator.
2. Center panel to change spark plug. NOT the body, just the access panel.
3. Seat tub to adjust valves - no body removal, just the tub.
4. One side panel to pull the variator cover and replace variator and clutch. That panel just interferes with one bolt, and you could get in there with the proper flex tool, which I don't have.
Jeff simply drilled a hole in the panel, and now the panel stays on. In any case, it is only two screws!
5. Tail lights are changed by removing two screws and the lens comes off.
OTOH, the S200, which is similar to the S250, requires removal of the seat, front shield, luggage box, floorboards, center panel, body and the parts under the luggage box TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB! And don't forget the turn stalks, they gotta come off too, along with the front and rear covers over the dash. AND disconnect the speedo cable, have fun getting in there!
Spark plug requires removal of the seat tub and body.
Rear lights require removal of the seat tub and body.
Adding brake fluid requires the same steps as the headlights, as the box is under the same front covers as the headlights.
The exhaust can be removed without all the body stuff (to change the tire) IF you have a lift, otherwise pull the body to pull the exhaust.
I don't know if the S250 goes together the same, although the headlight stuff appears identical.
Yup, I challenge you to go ride and SYM and not have a big smile on your face!
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Spark plug requires removal of the seat tub and body.
For the PS250, you don't have to remove much to change the spark plug, just one tiny plastic panel near the foot area. Don't know about the headlights and brake fluid, but for my sake I hope it's not too similar to the S 200!
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The S 200 also has the center hatch. But the body blocks access to the plug. I suppose if you had a lift and some kind of a good flex socket wrench, you might be able to get to it. But for the rest of the world, gotta lift up the body.
As far as the headlights and such, the issue on the S 200 is that the luggage box blocks the wiring from moving far enough to the rear to get inside the covers and release the bolts. To move the luggage box (only have to move it back around 4 inches) you have to pull out all the other stuff, including the floorboards and battery. What a total PITA.