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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: CROSSBOLT on February 17, 2021, 01:59:22 PM
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Could this be the answer to our battery limitations?
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1010096412729405 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1010096412729405)
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Could this be the answer to our battery limitations?
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1010096412729405 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1010096412729405)
Help me out here Karl, what is it? (I don't have face book)
Stig
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Maybe this will be readable....
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Something for the youngsters to try out.
When I'm miles from home on a cold morning just before sunrise - I'll stick with a Yuasa for a sure start to get me back to my warm living room! :)
Stig
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I don't know if a motorcycle battery is available, but the 100 AH battery weighs 62 pounds.
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Yes, what I have seen is about 25% heavier. This is a hot item with the solar crowd so very little info available. What tech available is English is their second language and it has a chinese ring to it. So far, only a 45 amp-hour model is the smallest. Stig is right: stick with what you know works.
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Interesting technology. Maybe not quite ready for “prime time” . But who knows? When car’s first came out, a horse was more convenient and reliable. But the automobile technology improved, and became more reliable and affordable. Perhaps the same will be true for these “green” batteries. [emoji848]
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Interesting technology. Maybe not quite ready for “prime time” . But who knows? When car’s first came out, a horse was more convenient and reliable. But the automobile technology improved, and became more reliable and affordable. Perhaps the same will be true for these “green” batteries. [emoji848]
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Very good point, sir! It appears to have advantages over both lead-acid and lithium IF the claims are true. Or even half true!
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If we truly ARE to go down the EV route world-wide, then we really do need some innovative technology which doesn't rely on rare earth metals which are being depleted at an alarming rate.
I'd have no objection to riding an electric scoot, but would want first to be assured that it's battery provision was not as harmful as the carbon fuel it seeks to replace!
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If we truly ARE to go down the EV route world-wide, then we really do need some innovative technology which doesn't rely on rare earth metals which are being depleted at an alarming rate.
I'd have no objection to riding an electric scoot, but would want first to be assured that it's battery provision was not as harmful as the carbon fuel it seeks to replace!
I’m thinking that there has to be some new technology on the horizon based on MAJOR manufacturers ambitious goals of having most or all of their vehicles either electric or hybrid in the not too distant future. Even given the fact that the batteries are fully recyclable and have an expected life of 10+ years, the supply of raw materials seems inadequate for the sheer number of expected EV sales. I hope so. We have a mustang Mach E at our dealership. Although I’m not a fan of the looks, the guy who does our pre delivery inspections was VERY skeptical and had only negative things to say until he DROVE IT. His entire demeanor changed. He stated that the gas engined mustang might have a hard time keeping up. EVERY misgiving was obligated except for fears of the battery going dead away from charging stations on highway trips. But the gps actually lists available stations, so a person can actually plan their trips around them. And the expected range is 200+ miles . Personally, Id Prefer the plug-in hybrids. They can go 20 miles on batteries alone. But perform as a regular hybrid for distance driving. A customer told me that she lives about 20 miles from her job and plugs it in at work and overnight. So the gasoline engine runs for only a short time. She claims that she can barely see the difference in her electricity bill. But I digress. Again, I hope they can make an environmentally friendly battery. It can be a game changer. It may be an good alternative to the lead/acid normal battery too.
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MrForbes -
I'm assuming that you can't do highway trips with a battery car?
Or, do these things re-charge at a charging station in a very few minutes?
Stig
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Folks with new Electrica Vespas are having concerns - not that many Vespa dealers around. ...and even fewer of those won't touch the new battery models.
Stig
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MrForbes -
I'm assuming that you can't do highway trips with a battery car?
Or, do these things re-charge at a charging station in a very few minutes?
Stig
Fastest I’ve seen quoted is 30 minutes from 0% to about 70% charged?
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Folks with new Electrica Vespas are having concerns - not that many Vespa dealers around. ...and even fewer of those won't touch the new battery models.
Stig
Too early in the development cycle to make the EV scooter switch imho Unless talking round town sub 20 mile distances!
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MrForbes -
I'm assuming that you can't do highway trips with a battery car?
Or, do these things re-charge at a charging station in a very few minutes?
Stig
The regular one has a range of 200+ miles. The extended range around 300. The charging time varies GREATLY depending on the method. And with the right method long trips are feasible. Not nearly as fast as Gas though. Here are a few interesting specs: from empty to full on the extended range option battery .
You’ll see that some options are less appealing than others
Home options—-
120v “extension cord” : 100 hours
Their Standard 240v charger that comes with the vehicle that can hook up to the typical stove or dryer outlet: 14 hours
The optional 48A charging station that you can have purchase and have installed at your home: 10 hours
“Filling station” DC rapid charge from 10%-80% typical of what you’d do on a road trip. :
Regular battery : 38 minutes
Extended range battery: 45 minutes
A quick 10 minute charge such as what you’d do if you were simply stopping for an unscheduled bathroom/snack break gets you about 47-61 MILES depending on the circumstances.
Obviously it’s not as fast as filling up your gas tank when you’re trying to eat up the highway. But it’s realistic if you’re traveling sensibly and want to stretch, bathroom break, and catch a meal. I found that when traveling with a couple of other people (especially my sisters or mom) we end up killing that much time anyway .
Again, not as fast as a gas fueled vehicle. But it’s not unacceptable considering the real habits of many people traveling on the highway. Even the at home options (except for the 110v) are realistic given the fact that you don’t usually run “empty” every day. And you can top off nightly while you sleep.
The 10-80% values are used for traveling because most don’t wait until they get empty. And the battery charging rate slows down as the battery nears full.
Side note:, the battery, electric motor, and other major powertrain components come with a 10 year 100,000 mile factory warranty. If the hybrids can be used as an indicator, the expected life is a lot longer. I read where someone tested an ORIGINAL 2003 Prius. When it was 9 years old and had 206,000 miles. And the performance was virtually the same as new.
Secondly, the Ford Mustang battery comes in sections” . So although it’s probably still costly, it will be a lot less expensive than replacing the entire battery. And unlike a regular car battery, just because one section fails, it doesn’t indicate that the others are near failure.
Would I buy a Mach E right now? Probably not because as a mechanic, I’ve seen too many first year bugs with major changes.
But to my surprise, Based on what I’ve seen in this vehicle and the experience of one of my brother’s friends who owns a Tesla, I wouldn’t rule out owning an electric vehicle in the future. And if I was in the market for a new car now, I’d SERIOUSLY consider one of the growing numbers of hybrids and plug in hybrids. In all my years at Ford, I recall ONE vehicle coming in with a failed battery. And i think it had less than 50 k. So it was something defective. Most other components were (relatively) minor with costs on par with other vehicles. The actual motor/transmissions have fewer problems that the full gasoline engines.
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@Forbes1964,
from technical point of view developement of fully electric vehicles is not that huge scientic step forward. It's been invented about 150 years ago.
I for my person see the danger more in us being manipulated by ruling goverments, whichever political color they might be. I have seen this in several countries where we worked and lived for an international organization.
Overnight fuel stations were manned with military- or governtment or chunta-affin para/troops.
If we would not have had a couple hundred liters of diesel to our avail, we would have been stuck in the middle of a, let's say, civil war.
With a change to all/most electric vehicles its even easier for any goverment to restrict your movement. Just cause a blackout, and you are bound to your turf as long your ruler wants.
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@Forbes1964,
from technical point of view developement of fully electric vehicles is not that huge scientic step forward. It's been invented about 150 years ago.
I for my person see the danger more in us being manipulated by ruling goverments, whichever political color they might be. I have seen this in several countries where we worked and lived for an international organization.
Overnight fuel stations were manned with military- or governtment or chunta-affin para/troops.
If we would not have had a couple hundred liters of diesel to our avail, we would have been stuck in the middle of a, let's say, civil war.
With a change to all/most electric vehicles its even easier for any goverment to restrict your movement. Just cause a blackout, and you are bound to your turf as long your ruler wants.
Without getting political, I’ll say this. Although electric cars were invented many years ago and were a competitor to petroleum fueled vehicles, there was one major difference. The petroleum vehicles were constantly improved over the years. But electric vehicles were not improved because there was no need or desire to do so. Even the GM ev1 and the Ford electric Ranger truck were VERY primitive. Electric vehicles didn’t really start catching up until recently. And they’ve improved exponentially. Personally, I’d prefer a plug in hybrid because it contains the best of both worlds. But with the improvements in technology recently, electric vehicles are a viable alternative for some. Again, I’m not addressing the political because I’m not informed enough
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MrForbes -
Thanks for your reply.
I agree....I was more than happy to make frequent stops (to go off and shout into the roadside shrubbery ) on my last lengthy road trip with, and titled - "8 Legs and Three Females"
Stig
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Fastest I’ve seen quoted is 30 minutes from 0% to about 70% charged?
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As I stated elsewhere, while thats a lot slower than filling a gas tank, a 30 minute stop isn’t excessive for some people on a long trip if the frequency is once every 250 miles or so. Bathroom break, grab a snack, walk and stretch after 3 hours behind the wheel. Before you know it 30 minutes will have passed. Of course it’s unacceptable for when I was younger and simply wanted to tick off the miles as quickly as possible while testing the endurance of my alertness and bladder. [emoji23]
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MrForbes -
I'm assuming that you can't do highway trips with a battery car?
Or, do these things re-charge at a charging station in a very few minutes?
Stig
Another side note: last summer I purchased a USED push mower to deal with the areas in my yard unsuitable for the Bush hog. It was one of the smallest available. And it doesn’t not have the fast charging capability. But it cuts well even in relatively thick grass. It’s run time is only about an hour. Less in high grass. But I must say I was pleasantly surprised. Noise is much lower. Less vibration, I don’t have to pull a rope to start. And is significantly lighter. If I bought an extra battery and the fast charger, I could mow uninterrupted.
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Another side note: last summer I purchased a USED push mower to deal with the areas in my yard unsuitable for the Bush hog. It was one of the smallest available. And it doesn’t not have the fast charging capability. But it cuts well even in relatively thick grass. It’s run time is only about an hour. Less in high grass. But I must say I was pleasantly surprised. Noise is much lower. Less vibration, I don’t have to pull a rope to start. And is significantly lighter. If I bought an extra battery and the fast charger, I could mow uninterrupted.
A push mower, you mean like one of these?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7cOmRJzK53qbn8sQQldgJkeZKRYxPETsNoSNTInGF_VXT6JaZY635U-72svDDzG6dutpw5kjj&usqp=CAc)
So I guess the extra battery and fast charger look like this?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/RedDot_Burger.jpg/300px-RedDot_Burger.jpg) (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOy58Is9RHnF6IZyWUFy5qpB6Kzv0fTKAz0LozNqgADjiSNsdoQbYaoU4FVOrqSoW2oAP4k9jD&usqp=CAc)
And since getting married, I don't think I've been able to get anything done uninterrupted...
Joking aside, I'm excited for any new battery technologies and I hope they get developed into something usable at a widespread consumer level. Lithium is working great for everything I have tried so far, but the mining of the lithium and cobalt are pretty nasty and I don't think that is too well-known to the general public.
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Thanks gctkaz, when push mower was mentioned, that’s exactly what I pictured.
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Thanks gctkaz, when push mower was mentioned, that’s exactly what I pictured.
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I wasn’t thinking about the old push mowers . I’m not QUITE that old. (I’m sticking to that story) . I guess I should have stated non self propelled.
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I wasn’t thinking about the old push mowers . I’m not QUITE that old. (I’m sticking to that story) . I guess I should have stated non self propelled.
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The day I retired ---- first thing I did was stop at Sears and treat myself to a self-propelled mower!
(No, wait - the first thing I did after walking out the door involved fist-pumps in the air and dancing in a circle all the way to my Chevy F-150! Peeled out of the parking lot and blew the horn until I could no longer see that place in my rear view mirrors!)
sorry - what was the question again....
Stig
Chevy trucks have g r e a t horns.
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The day I retired, I'd already been at home for 2 months on "gardening leave" while they argued about the exact last day of service for me as it involved a redundancy pay-off too. All worked in my favour I'm delighted to say [emoji4]
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Man, I am jealous of all you retired guys. I'm 47, so I figure another 18-20 years in the salt mines for me...
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Man, I am jealous of all you retired guys. I'm 47, so I figure another 18-20 years in the salt mines for me...
By which time some of us will be pushing up daisies, so don’t be too jealous! [emoji23]
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By which time some of us will be pushing up daisies, so don’t be too jealous! [emoji23]
The way our world seems to be headed, perhaps you will be better off getting out while the getting is good!
Also, I see you are in the U.K. Back in college I spent a semester studying abroad at Cheltenham and Gloucester College in Cheltenham. Lovely little town. Great little student union pub on campus. Learned to enjoy hard cider, a good game of darts and several young English women. But that's a different story for a different day.
Anyhow, the exchange program I was part of us took care of our living arrangements and assigned us to housing upon arrival. Most of the American students were placed in the dormitory right on campus, but myself and another guy were placed in a bedroom in the home of one of the college professors. He lived about 5 miles from campus, and we were each given bicycles to ride back and forth. Needless to say, I got in really good shape that semester, and I can't tell you how many late-night bike rides I made from the pub after having too many pints to safely drive a scooter! Then again, the scoot sure would have come in handy.
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Cheltenham eh? Famous for its Ladies College. Or was that the story for another day?....
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