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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Togger on October 03, 2021, 03:03:46 AM
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Aren't these pretty much pointless in a country like Canada or the US. Why do people buy them, and if they do, do they keep them very long?
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That size scooter is still a good idea for many in the USA who don't want to go through getting a license for them. Though I still highly advise some training should be done.
They are very good for just riding around neighborhoods and running out to the store. My wife has had her Honda Metropolitan since 2004 and still rides it all over the metro area. She has become very good at finding the local neighborhood streets to ride so she can avoid any fast roads and highways. And that thing runs like a tank. She has gone to almost every suburb community on it up to 15 miles away at least. So there are still areas where these are good to ride... especially in larger metropolitan cities.
Since I have a Super Scooter (Burgman 650) I do take the highways to get to many of the same places and beyond but she simply stays off any roads faster than 35-40 mph. That little 50 cc scooter can get up to 38 mph on a good day. I tried several times to convince her to upgrade to something even a little bigger but she is happy with what she has and refuses to upgrade. 104 mpg is not a bad number.
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50cc seems to be the most popular size for college students to ride here in Iowa City at the University of Iowa. Cheap to buy and operate, easy (and free) parking. It seems most do sell them as they graduate but they find homes with the incoming freshmen.
As long as they live relatively close to campus there are no roads with speeds high enough to keep them from riding on them.
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@Togger,
here in Italy and in most of european states a 50cc is the starting vehicle for our youth. Since here you get your drivers license for a motorcycle or a car from 18 years on. Some exceptions are possible.
So, from 16 to 18 years you are just mobile with a 50cc mofa after a simple multiple choice test.
Although we do have a lot of people who lost their drivers licence after an issue of DWI. That one are the dangerous, buying this minicars with mofa plates, carrying on drinking and driving.
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For me, free parking, fastest when driving downtown, and cheap to use except insurance. Driving season between 8-10 months in here quite north.
Fourth year now in a row, no reason to quit.
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In a lot of places Kansas being one of you don't need a motorcycle licence and you can tag them as a moped. Anything larger is tagged as a motorcycle. Not sure but I don't believe insurance is required as well. Some of the other states don't require registration or tags.
Like Ihawk stated they are popular for college towns. And as Ruffus stated people with a DWI who lose their driver license for awhile purchase them for transportation. And as. RJS stated a lot of women like the smaller size and. Lighter weight.
My local motorcycle dealer only carries the 50cc and 125cc agility series because they sell and bigger scooter's take longer to sell.
While most of my friend's have a motorcycle license some do not. For this reason I will probably purchase a 50cc that I will probably never ride for them to learn on and use when visiting .
Resell is also very good for clean machine's, people looking for low cost transportation.
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Probably fine for Village Life or Campus Life. Or in a large mobile home park.
NOT a good idea in most N. American cities.
Stig
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I forgot to mention that along with college students the 14 and 15 year olds also like the 50cc scooters. In the state of Iowa you can legally ride a 49cc and under moped with a driver's permit. Driver's permits are available at age 14..full driver's license available at 16 years old...although I like Ruffus's location where you must be 18 before getting a full driver's license!
You can spot a 14 or 15 yr old scooter rider by the hi viz orange flag that by law must be affixed to the back of their scooter. It should be attached to a flexible pole on the scooter and is supposed to be a few feet higher (can't remember the exact dimensions) than the scooter...making them a bit more visible to traffic.
There is a middle aged woman at my local neighborhood hardware store who rides an early 80's Yamaha QT50 Yamahopper moped. I always ask her about it when I'm in the store. She said she lives close by and the little scooter is perfect to get her to work and home. It looks just like the one in the pic.
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Iahawk there's a older gentleman that works at Ace hardware that drives a early Honda scooter to work in nice weather.
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A 50cc scooter would be pretty useless for me since shortly after leaving my subdivision I will be on a 50MPH or 55MPH road. But I could see them being useful in some places. When I was in Alaska a few years ago I had a chance to ride a rental Ruckus and I had a blast on it. The roads we were on all had 25MPH or less speed limits. The rental company chose 50cc since no motorcycle endorsement was required.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Alaska-Cruise-2016/i-rTF2KBT/0/d7e5283c/XL/s45-XL.jpg)
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I don't have sales numbers but would be willing to bet the 50cc scooter is the largest seller because of lack of motorcycle licence endorsement.
I would agree with Klav that it wouldn't be my choice. That said I will probably keep a 50cc around for people to learn to ride on.
Klav one of my dream trips is to head to Alaska with the RV and scooter.
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Klav one of my dream trips is to head to Alaska with the RV and scooter.
@Kk, don't wait just do it.
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Klav one of my dream trips is to head to Alaska with the RV and scooter.
@Kk, don't wait just do it.
They just opened the border this Fall. Can't see it happening next year. I have to line up contractor's to clear some land bring in a 2' of fill and get a building built.
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@Kk, tweak out some time and fundings, we are working for our heirs only.
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@Kk, tweak out some time and fundings, we are working for our heirs only.
Ruffus a good friend said something similar yesterday, he told me it's time to enjoy what you put in all the long hours and scrimp and saved for.
I told him it's hard for me to spend money on depreciating assets. Example my used scooter collection was bought at the right price that I can use, enjoy and get my money back. I've done the same with RV'S purchasing used and using for 5 years and selling them for close to what I paid originally.
Being frugal has allowed me to enjoy a lot of things in life. I make it a practice to never spend more then the interest on my investments not touching the principle.
I did splurge a few years ago and bought a new boat.
I will make plans with some friends to make that trip next year. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
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@Kk, just go for it!
Since we are old "mature" of age, it's time to let go a little.
Best of all wifes told me several times too, to spend ... but can't out of my skin too.
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Klav one of my dream trips is to head to Alaska with the RV and scooter.
Getting an RV and traveling the country is one of my dreams but I don't know if that will happen. A friend does the second best thing. He travels with his camping gear and bike in his truck. He recently traveled to Alaska this way and did an outstanding ride report: https://advrider.com/f/threads/adventure-monkey%E2%80%99s-2021-alaskan-holiday.1520368/ (https://advrider.com/f/threads/adventure-monkey%E2%80%99s-2021-alaskan-holiday.1520368/)
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@klav, thanks.
AND if you you have only a morsel of chance, do it. With age other things coming across, like surgeries, rehab, etc. Don't procrestinate if possible.
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I may not be able to get an RV. I also may not be able to travel all over the country.
So my "RV" is my tent (which I can still get down on the self inflating pad and sleep on the ground and get up from the ground in the morning, though sometimes I have to roll onto my knees to do it). I can pack it all on my bike including my camp stove/kitchen and food. And I enjoy riding to many different places not too far away. Usually I go about 5+ hours out on way, but sometimes I go 2 days travel away. I often stay out for 5-7 days before I have to come home again.
Grandkids takes some of my time I need to be at home for as does the ever expanding honey-do list. (just finished painting a wall in the lower level here at home).
How did I ever have time to work before I retired? ::)
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.... my "RV" is my tent (which I can still get down ....
How did I ever have time to work before I retired? ::)
@rjs, this is great to be the master of your time on scoot.
And yes, I do think the same, when did I have...
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@klav, thanks.
AND if you you have only a morsel of chance, do it. With age other things coming across, like surgeries, rehab, etc. Don't procrestinate if possible.
I get what you are saying. It's really comes down to priorities. I am getting older and can't do some of the things I could when I was younger. I wanted to do some things before I got too old so I retired early at the age of 61. This gave me more time to do a lot of things I couldn't have if I continued to work. It also meant I wouldn't be in the position financially to buy some things I wanted to buy. I chose time over money. I have used that time to do a lot of fantastic riding. As much as I'd like to get an RV, my priority lies in riding.
I really want to do some more riding out west. That's high on my list for next year. I just have to decide where, when and which bike. If I was rich I'd buy an RV and big trailer and just haul several bikes out west and spend a couple of month's riding. Maybe I need to buy a lottery ticket :)
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When my Harley got too heavy for me, I bought my first scooter. It was a People 150. It was a great little scooter, but with a top end around 55, the Interstates were suicide. I now have a X-Town 300, and can cruise at 70 or 75 to keep up with traffic. Here where I live, cruising 35mph (with a 50cc scooter) on the back roads would be very enjoyable. Unfortunately, I probably would get run over before I ever got there.
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One good benefit for 50 cc scooter in Finland is ability to use bus lanes. Wondering, how many road users know that it is simply legal. Well thats another story.
Yesterday I was driving from Helsinki, capital of Finland, west to east and back, one hour per side. On my way back it started a bit traffic, and bus lanes helped also mentally.
When leaving home, this time it took 13 minutes for the first danger situation, when car starts to move forward on his red light and I am crossing green light among others. Luckily, had a free lane to move suddenly to, maybe I was given space from someone who read the situation well quick.
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@Like50, good to read you're on the road again.
So, did you/shop fix your scoot up after this accident?
Did you get all your expenses paid?
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Moving forward little by little. One month now from crash. Garage is making estimation to injurance company this week, pics taken monday trip, thats fair enough. They will pay. Helmet I have asked, no reply yet. Its a must for me, simple as that.
Seems, that spare part are hard to find, due covid19 etc. blaa blaa.
Everything good, no rush, I will update for the original story side, when something happends.
I originally thought, this whole case lasts like two-three weeks and then done, but no, we speak now like oneandhalf - three? months, when this is not your basic daily job.
Thanks, cheers
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We bought our moped because my son turned 15 and he can drive a moped with ?50cc with just a learners permit, but in a car he would need to have another 21 year old driver with him in the front seat. At 16 years old he will probably want to ditch it and get a car, since that is when he can drive without an adult co-driver.
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I wanted to do some things before I got too old so I retired early at the age of 61. This gave me more time to do a lot of things I couldn't have if I continued to work.
Klav, a man after my own heart for when all's said and done, no amount of money can buy you time!