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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Neil955i on December 21, 2023, 02:27:09 PM
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It's winter, I'm UK-based and need a new rear tyre. Considering an Anlas Winter Grip 2 replacement and wondered if anyone on here has any experience of this tyre?
https://merchandising.demon-tweeks.com/images/tr:q-80,c-at_max/media/catalog/product/a/n/anl_anl-wintergrip2-tyre-rear-jan23_129.jpg
(My rationale for considering this is the semi enduro tread pattern which is similar to the look of the OEM CSTs.)
If I can't source one then I may be tempted to change out the pair and in that case it'll be back to my old faithfuls, Michelin City Grip 2s...
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I like it just from the picture, it's got sipes. A must on winter roads. I had to go to the darkside to get em for my V-Strom
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I like the siping!
Have always liked what Michelin had to say about their II's!
https://www.michelinman.com/motorcycle/tires/michelin-city-grip-2
Stig
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Do NOT have experience with ANLAS but with MITAS which has an even rougher profile than Anlas.
This tyre is great in snow and sludge as well up to a certain degree of mud.
Riding limit with this Mitas was not a spinning wheel but sitting on ruts with the scoots (Grand Dink 150) belly.
On the wet street and dry roads wasn't that convincing, gave a kind of motocross feeling.
So I use them only when we doing "dirting" , then change the whole wheel and City Grip on the spare for daily use.
But this Anlas looks good, is inexpensive and worth a try. You can always change again.
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Do NOT have experience with ANLAS but with MITAS which has an even rougher profile than Anlas.
This tyre is great in snow and sludge as well up to a certain degree of mud.
Riding limit with this Mitas was not a spinning wheel but sitting on ruts with the scoots (Grand Dink 150) belly.
On the wet street and dry roads wasn't that convincing, gave a kind of motocross feeling.
So I use them only when we doing "dirting" , then change the whole wheel and City Grip on the spare for daily use.
But this Anlas looks good, is inexpensive and worth a try. You can always change again.
Unless you're removing the wheels yourself...a tire change can be expensive even with a cheap tire. If removing the wheels yourself...the experience can be something ....less than a fun afternoon!
Stig
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I love the 'winter' tire for a scooter!! It must be a European (or global?) thing? We all know americans don't ride scooters, especially in the winter! ;D
(I'm with the others, I like the siping..I run winter tires on my cars and they look similar to your possible scoot tire)
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I love the 'winter' tire for a scooter!! It must be a European (or global?) thing? We all know americans don't ride scooters, especially in the winter! ;D
(I'm with the others, I like the siping..I run winter tires on my cars and they look similar to your possible scoot tire)
I would ride my AK550 in thw winter if I could find the right tires
even block knobbys that I could stud
(https://i.imgur.com/r6IEUt0l.jpg)
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Well guys, thanks for all those observations. I've asked my tyre guy if he can get the Anlas, so I'll keep you posted. We hope to be away for the New Year so any fitting will likely be well into January now.
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Unless you're removing the wheels yourself...a tire change can be expensive even with a cheap tire. If removing the wheels yourself...the experience can be something ....less than a fun afternoon!
Stig
Yes, doing this wheel thing on my own, easy on a lifted scoot.
Changing a tire (rim and tire brought in) costs here at my local dealer €10,- per wheel, balancing included. Disposal in case is €2,- per tire.
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Yes, doing this wheel thing on my own, easy on a lifted scoot.
Changing a tire (rim and tire brought in) costs here at my local dealer €10,- per wheel, balancing included. Disposal in case is €2,- per tire.
I would love to have tires mounted for those prices! (10 Euros is about $11 USD). My local shop charges shop rate labor for tires so it will cost me around $200 USD+ to get my tires mounted on my Nighthawk..and that's with me bringing the wheels to the shop. If I brough my bike there for them to do all the work it would likely add another $100 or $200.
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I would love to have tires mounted for those prices! (10 Euros is about $11 USD). My local shop charges shop rate labor for tires so it will cost me around $200 USD+ to get my tires mounted on my Nighthawk..and that's with me bringing the wheels to the shop. If I brough my bike there for them to do all the work it would likely add another $100 or $200.
Yes we’ve had this conversation on here before Hawk. We’re very lucky here in the UK to have mobile tyre fitters who come to you! Some, like mine, do cars & motorcycles. Last time I got a Michelin City Grip 2 bought, fitted & balanced for under £100.
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I would love to have tires mounted for those prices! (10 Euros is about $11 USD). My local shop charges shop rate labor for tires so it will cost me around $200 USD+ to get my tires mounted on my Nighthawk..and that's with me bringing the wheels to the shop. If I brough my bike there for them to do all the work it would likely add another $100 or $200.
This is pretty steep. On the other side shop hour here for mechanics is €40 + 10% VAT, in villages out even a tenner less, makes a salary for a middleclass mech about €1200,- to €1400,- a month. That's why maybe.
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It's winter, I'm UK-based and need a new rear tyre. Considering an Anlas Winter Grip 2 replacement and wondered if anyone on here has any experience of this tyre?
https://merchandising.demon-tweeks.com/images/tr:q-80,c-at_max/media/catalog/product/a/n/anl_anl-wintergrip2-tyre-rear-jan23_129.jpg
UPDATE: Ordered the Anlas last week and it arrived Monday. Total £80.25 with free shipping. My tyre guy came out this lunchtime and fitted it for me charging £45 including disposing of the old tyre carcass. Pretty pleased with that as I consider both prices to be fair. Review and photos of the fitted Anlas to follow when it warms up a bit out there!
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UPDATE: Ordered the Anlas last week and it arrived Monday. Total £80.25 with free shipping. My tyre guy came out this lunchtime and fitted it for me charging £45 including disposing of the old tyre carcass. Pretty pleased with that as I consider both prices to be fair. Review and photos of the fitted Anlas to follow when it warms up a bit out there!
You had one winter tire installed?...
On the rear?
....or a pair?
Your price figures are surely for one tire?!
And you paid 45 for a new tire installed ON the machine!??
That price is amazing!
My dealer gets an hour per wheel off..$120 per hour.
Then R&R the tires maybe $35 each. Then disposal fee, shop towels used, cotter pins, nitrogen inflation, 2 or 3 Donuts, lift fees, valve stems, caps for same, document fees, call-back charges...then there's the gratuity for the kid who rips your new valve stem.
For me, it's a toss-up...get new tires, or buy a new scooter.
Stig
Pix or it never etc.
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You had one winter tire installed?... Yes!
On the rear?
....or a pair?
Your price figures are surely for one tire?! - Yes
And you paid 45 for a new tire installed ON the machine!?? - Yes
That price is amazing! - Knowing US prices, I agree!
My dealer gets an hour per wheel off..$120 per hour.
Then R&R the tires maybe $35 each. Then disposal fee, shop towels used, cotter pins, nitrogen inflation, 2 or 3 Donuts, lift fees, valve stems, caps for same, document fees, call-back charges...then there's the gratuity for the kid who rips your new valve stem.
For me, it's a toss-up...get new tires, or buy a new scooter. - Lol
Stig
Pix or it never etc.
See my observations above in italic bold.
I did some research before opting for the one winter tyre only. It's the compound that's classed as cold weather, no studs or 'owt like that. It is (I'm told) fully compatible with the front.
I know pictures are needed and I'll maybe roll the scoot out later today or if not, then certainly next week.
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I bought a new truck once cause the truck I had needed a battery
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I bought a new truck once cause the truck I had needed a battery
I know that's true because I bought a new Volkswagen one time
because I needed a new brake light bulb for the old one.
Stig
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Sheesh, yous guys!
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For those facing high $$ to have new tires mounted, it’s not difficult to do w proper tools and technique. And I’m the mechanic from hell, although much improved after 5 yrs of trial and error.
Motion Pro bead breaker tire irons, tire lube and heat (from sun or heat gun) made the process pretty easy. At least on the Cali Classic. Rear Wheel removal on the BV 350 will be more involved, will find out this week as I do the first tire change on that bike. The Rebel was a bit of a bitch due to being tuned tires—threading the nozzle through the rim was by far the hardest part.
Know cost wasn’t part of Neil’s original post, but wanted to offer this as encouragement to saving high shop fees. If I can do it, you guys surely can.
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For those facing high $$ to have new tires mounted, it’s not difficult to do w proper tools and technique. And I’m the mechanic from hell, although much improved after 5 yrs of trial and error.
Motion Pro bead breaker tire irons, tire lube and heat (from sun or heat gun) made the process pretty easy. At least on the Cali Classic. Rear Wheel removal on the BV 350 will be more involved, will find out this week as I do the first tire change on that bike. The Rebel was a bit of a bitch due to being tuned tires—threading the nozzle through the rim was by far the hardest part.
Know cost wasn’t part of Neil’s original post, but wanted to offer this as encouragement to saving high shop fees. If I can do it, you guys surely can.
I prefer to pay the shop, mechanical work is not my profession. But I have bartered for my mechanical work, even for the purchase of a UTV. Works out well when the owner of the dealership wants my professional services
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UPDATE: Review and photos of the fitted Anlas to follow when it warms up a bit out there!
First off excuse the state of my beloved DTX360, the weather has been crap here for weeks. If you wash it, it’s just as bad again after 5 miles! It’ll get some TLC when the roads dry up.
So first impressions of the Anlas 20 miles in on wet greasy roads are good; I’d go as far as to say comparable to a Michelin CG2 which is praise indeed. I’ll come back with a more detailed review when it’s scrubbed in and I can assess dry roads grip etc.
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Front OEM for comparison
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And another of the new Anlas
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that's a good looking winter tyre!
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that's a good looking winter tyre!
Thanks Hawk. Actually bought it on looks (and reviews) as I wanted something which wouldn’t look out of keeping with the front enduro style tyre. Made in Turkey I gather from this. https://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/about/ And other than one blip with speedway tyres they seem to have a pretty solid reputation.
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Thanks Hawk. Actually bought it on looks (and reviews) as I wanted something which wouldn’t look out of keeping with the front enduro style tyre. Made in Turkey I gather from this. https://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/about/ And other than one blip with speedway tyres they seem to have a pretty solid reputation.
I would buy them for all my bikes if they made the sizes
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I would buy them for all my bikes if they made the sizes
.. often a problem!
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.. often a problem!
actually, after going to the Anlas website, sizes are not the problem, I found em for all my bikes V-Strom, AK550 & K-Pipe.
They just don't export them to the US in any size
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I'm missing the point of having an off-road tire for street riding?
I know that's not a full-on enduro aggresive tread...but that open block ADV mimicking pattern is not a street tread...where 95% of us do 100% of our riding on our scooter..
Stig
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I'm missing the point of having an off-road tire for street riding?
I know that's not a full-on enduro aggresive tread...but that open block ADV mimicking pattern is not a street tread...where 95% of us do 100% of our riding on our scooter..
Stig
it's not an off road tire, it's an on road winter tire, slush, snow, ice patches, and most of all, cold pavement
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it's not an off road tire, it's an on road winter tire, slush, snow, ice patches, and most of all, cold pavement
I hadn't known that winter tires use a softer blend until I read that today.
So, theoretically - since 95% of us scooter riders never ride our scooter in slush, snow or ice - the best tire for us would be a "slick" made of the soft winter blend! But, allowing for some wet riding - this 'slick' would need some grooves to channel water away.
If Michelin made a CityGrip II of winter blend rubber!
I understand the marketing value of putting "dual-purpose-sport" tires on these new lines of street scooters. The few ADV models purport to have increased suspension travel.
Stig
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I hadn't known that winter tires use a softer blend until I read that today.
So, theoretically - since 95% of us scooter riders never ride our scooter in slush, snow or ice - the best tire for us would be a "slick" made of the soft winter blend! But, allowing for some wet riding - this 'slick' would need some grooves to channel water away.
If Michelin made a CityGrip II of winter blend rubber!
I understand the marketing value of putting "dual-purpose-sport" tires on these new lines of street scooters. The few ADV models purport to have increased suspension travel.
Stig/
not enuf Americans that ride in winter like Europeans
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yes, Stig, the pliability or softness of the rubber at various temps is a big difference between pure summer (high performance) tires...they get as hard as glass at freezing temps...even 'all season' rubber gets very hard around 40 f...and winter rubber, the new kind with the mountain snowflake symbol, will stay soft down into very cold temps.
It's also why many true winter tires are not to be driven when temps reach a certain level (50's f?) as their wear rate will increase significantly.
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Nokian Hakkapeliitta imho is the best winter tire
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It's also why many true winter tires are not to be driven when temps reach a certain level (50's f?) as their wear rate will increase significantly.
Not too much of an issue for a big chunk of the year here in cold damp Blighty Hawk! This compound is advertised as “year round” though?
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Not too much of an issue for a big chunk of the year here in cold damp Blighty Hawk! This compound is advertised as “year round” though?
new technology = better rubber every year, and scooters don't weigh much, I really like the sipes
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Not too much of an issue for a big chunk of the year here in cold damp Blighty Hawk! This compound is advertised as “year round” though?
yes, Neil, a newer development...tires with the winter grip being able to be used year round. There are quite a few available for cars, now. Originally the softer winter compound was only to be used in colder weather, now they have improved it to be able to be used year round.
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I'm missing the point of having an off-road tire for street riding?
I know that's not a full-on enduro aggresive tread...but that open block ADV mimicking pattern is not a street tread...where 95% of us do 100% of our riding on our scooter..
Stig
As Randy & Hawk say Stig, this new compound is a year-round tyre and it's been a real success for me. Looks the part on my semi-dirt bike looking scooter which never (intentionally) goes off road! So I take your point about street riding. Having now done a couple of hundred miles on it, I remain very impressed with my Anlas on the rear - so much so, I'm seriously looking at a matching front! The roads here in my bit of the UK are still a bit iffy as we've had a lot of rain and cool weather leaving all sorts of mud & detritus on the rural roads. It's coping with all that admirably and today on a rare dry day and a clean stretch of bends, I was able to crank the DTX over to angles comparable to those reached on my hitherto favourite rubber, the good old Michelin City Grip 2s! If the Anlas delivers me 3,000 miles on the rear, then I think they'll have won me over completely.
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It's been a good few years but I was a great fan of the original Anlas winter grip on my delivery scooter back in 2016ish.
It makes all the difference on those marginal days.
I'd be interested to hear what you think. I've not had a bike they would fit since.
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I'd be interested to hear what you think. I've not had a bike they would fit since.
Like I say, impressed. Every bit as good as my Michelin CG2's and their capabilities cornering exceeded mine! Happy bunny.
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Like I say, impressed. Every bit as good as my Michelin CG2's and their capabilities cornering exceeded mine! Happy bunny.
Embarassing really - you said quite clearly in thr post above if i had just scrolled up...
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Embarassing really - you said quite clearly in thr post above if i had just scrolled up...
😂🤣. Don’t worry. See, I could blame my age, you don’t have that excuse!
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Embarassing really - you said quite clearly in thr post above if i had just scrolled up...
One more of these "off-sides" ol' two five four, and we will have to increase your subscription by $5.00, American.
We take paypal.... & Dunkin Donut gift cards.
just sayin'
Stig
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😂🤣
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One more of these "off-sides" ol' two five four, and we will have to increase your subscription by $5.00, American.
We take paypal.... & Dunkin Donut gift cards.
just sayin'
Stig
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I love the delivery!
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I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I love the delivery!
"I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about!"
Fine, fine, not unusual here.
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Nevertheless!
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Remember what happened to your countryman....
The moderators cabal watched the replay, and
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Neil carded, again....
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Stig
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I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I love the delivery!
Not a football (soccer) fan either?
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I like the siping!
Have always liked what Michelin had to say about their II's!
https://www.michelinman.com/motorcycle/tires/michelin-city-grip-2
Stig
It'll likely be a while before I need to change out the Anlas Winter Grip 2s, but I'm thinking next time round I will revert to my beloved Michelin City Grip 2s. Reasons? I like the look of the tread pattern on the Mich's and in all my 000's of miles on them they have never given me a "moment". Last week the Anlas did when the rear stepped out on a tarmac tramline near home. Not a change of underwear moment, but it happened nonetheless.
I'd just come off a roundabout (traffic island) and was cranked over to take the turn to the left when the rear shimmied maybe 4-6" before regaining its composure. Tarmac was otherwise warm & dry with no oily residue or other reason for the drama. These days (unlike 20-30 years ago) I tend not to ride right on the edge of tyre traction so I was a bit surprised at the way the Anlas let go momentarily and I'm just left with that nagging feeling that it wouldn't have happened with the Michelins.
Just my experience and it was a one-off, in all likelihood, but thought I'd share it here for what it's worth.
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The original stock tire pattern looked as though Kymco was looking to add customers from the off-road group.
"A sport scooter!"
My behind!
Of course one can ride a scooter off-road. I can drive my wife's Chevy across a field. Doesn't make it a Jeep!
"Dirt aggressive" tread on those stock tires. And on the knobbies of that Anlas.
....on a scooter.
I remember when Uniroyal promoted the wide deep sipes of their TIGER PAW tire. These exaggerated grooves would "grip the road for extra traction !"
While of course removing rubber from a contact patch does just the opposite. Sipes only assist in the wet.
I wonder how many ADV scooters ever see some dirt?
Stig
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The original stock tire pattern looked as though Kymco was looking to add customers from the off-road group.
"A sport scooter!"
I wonder how many ADV scooters ever see some dirt?
Stig
Answer very few! Mine has seen an unpaved trail for about 100m maybe twice. It's one I did many times on Michelin CG2s many times without issue.
Let's face it, the styling and tyres are a marketing ploy; no more, no less.
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From this the Michelin CG2s look fine on a DTX360, what do you guys think?
https://www.facebook.com/reel/2096381174064588
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For those who don't do facebook, here are a few screen grabs:
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For those who don't do facebook, here are a few screen grabs:
OK, yes - I started picking up the distinctive tread of CG's on the Italian Vespa sales site. They seem to be the stock tire on most of the pricier Vespas.
Now I can also spot scoots wearing Angels from Pirelli.
So.....have you installed them, the CG2's or not yet?
I'm running one on my LIKE - I forget which end. Orig CG on the other end.
I don't need CityGrips for side-stand dragging riding. I just have been trusting Michelins for decades on my vehicles.
Stig
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So.....have you installed them, the CG2's or not yet?
Stig
Not yet Stig, way too much life left in the Anlas tyres. Just day dreaming about my next set of new rubber!
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See new Post on Tyres for DTX360