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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: Whisper on January 27, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
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Hello All!
2 Questions:
- Where can you order parts, like an oil filter, online for the Downtown 300i in the US? The model doesn't even show up on Kymco's parts site (>.< )
- What size are the headlights on the Downtown 300i? They are listed as 35W/35W... Which is not a size at all. I'l like to replace them with the cooler spectrum bulbs I normally use.
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From what I can tell the bulb is the BA20D which is a 12V 35/35 bulb. Never seen one up close, but that's what I'm getting in my searches across the interwebs. As for the oil filter on the Downtown... I can't find anything. You might have to get the part number from a parts-list found at a dealer for the Kymco filter.
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If it is a Halogen type bulb it is an HS1
That is what is on the People S 200 and 250
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According to another thread, Whisper pulled the bulb and changed it using the data from the bulb.
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After I verify the bulbs, I'll post - Headlight is DEFINITELY H8.
I'll also post the part numbers for the Rollers, Oil filter, etc. I had to pour through the parts list and hopefully I can save someone some time and that effort. I'll try to post all this on Sunday.
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- Headlights H8 35W - CONFIRMED
- Rear Turn Signal: BAU15S - CONFIRMED
- Rear Brake: 1157 - CONFIRMED
I got all my bulbs from SuperbrightLEDs (I have no affiliation or business uinterest with them - but I was very happy with their products!)
Turn Signals: http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2FBAU15S-x18-T.htm (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2FBAU15S-x18-T.htm)
Brake Light: http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2F1156-x18-T.htm (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2F1156-x18-T.htm)
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As promised, here are some pics - In broad daylight, of how the LED bulbs are working out.
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- Headlights H8 35W - CONFIRMED
- Rear Turn Signal: BAU15S - CONFIRMED
- Rear Brake: 1157 - CONFIRMED
I got all my bulbs from SuperbrightLEDs (I have no affiliation or business uinterest with them - but I was very happy with their products!)
Turn Signals: http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2FBAU15S-x18-T.htm (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2FBAU15S-x18-T.htm)
Brake Light: http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2F1156-x18-T.htm (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2F1156-x18-T.htm)
Just posting a follow up to this old thread. I searched through all the threads to find usefull info for upgrades. I ordered the rear brake light and two rear turn signal bulbs from the links. I am not an electroncis guru, but the rear brake part number works great.
I got two of the turn signal ones and tried to install them. I started with the left side socket, put in the new buld and tested it. The right side (which was still stock) blinked normally, the left side with the new bulb blinked at a much slower rate than the stock side AND made the front signal in the mirror come on with the signal switch and pulsate between dim and bright when it blinked where the stock side mirror signal would go on and off. It was a little brighter than stock, and I did not like the slower flashing much but thought maybe that was the trade off. I then put the other bulb in the right side socket, and it would not flash at all. It would not even come on in front. I tried this bulb in the left socket, and it worked just like the first, bright but slower flashing. I tried both led's in the right socket and both would make a dead signal so I ended up putting the stock turn signal bulbs back in and I guess I had about $35 worth of useless bulbs. Both LED's worked (although differently than stock) in the left socket, and both made the right socket and turn signal fail completely.
I am not sure if they are goofy, or what the heck the issue is but they don't work well with the electrical system on my Downtown. I do not blame Whisper for posting the link. If they worked for him great, this is just a word of caution for those who may study this thread as I did and order the same parts. I wonder if the bulbs could have been mis-labeled and actually be another bulb.
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Hi, you need to place load resistors for the turn signals to work properly. I too without the laod resistor had one that would not blink but if the engine was runnning it would. With load resistors all functions return to normal..........
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Hi, you need to place load resistors for the turn signals to work properly. I too without the laod resistor had one that would not blink but if the engine was runnning it would. With load resistors all functions return to normal..........
Can you give me an install for dummies how to in a paragraph or two?
I assum I have to solder something inline in the power lead or something?
If it is too complicated, I may just keep the stock turn signals. I want brighter, but at least in there semi working condition, I did not notice that the led's were much brighter.
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You don't need load resistors, just change the flasher to one designed for led. It will plug in in place of the original.
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You don't need load resistors, just change the flasher to one designed for led. It will plug in in place of the original.
Do you know where the flasher location on the scooter would be? I gave the bike a once over when I had the seat pan out. I have to admit, I am an engine guy. A fairly mechanical guy, but not really an electrical system guy.
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It is under the cowl I believe. And correct with a proper flasher load resistors are not needed but easier to install. They usually come with wire splicing addapters so it is a simple squeze on.
Now for the LED's to be brighter you need the larger LED bulb for the stop/tail. I went for the the turn signals as 70 lum amber and brake 30/120 red 1157. Stay away from the cool white as it will give a purple hugh to the stop/tail light. You may even be able to get the larger 45 sim bulbs in the turn signals as well.
Where you see the difference with LEDs is at the tail light level. LEDs are very directional and those who have followed me definately have noticed the difference, especially at night.
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Ok, I get it now. I think I will have to buy the CD for the service/maintenance manual. I would love to get something with good diagrams of the bike and all the part locations. If anyone know if this is online for free please link.
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Do you know where the flasher location on the scooter would be?
The flasher is located under the front cowl but there is a good chance that you would not have to remove the body to access it. After removing the windshield there is a small panel that is is accessible and you can see the top of the flasher relay - I don't have access to my scooter at the moment so I can not check to see if it can be disconnected through this hole or not. Note in the diagram below it is called the "Winker relay":
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fjXKX0YI3EI/T8UDZVleDJI/AAAAAAAAANM/RTy6G7N4QS8/s640/Front%2520Item%2520Locations.jpg)
You can see the top of flasher (round item) in the lower right just inside the opening (there are two black square relays shown in this photo that you will not have - they are part of my custom light wiring):
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d8DKhd9-1Es/T8UDY8fIIfI/AAAAAAAAANE/Ns6CZaUnCew/s640/2012-04-23%252014.15.35.jpg)
And here is the printing shown on top of the flasher relay on my USA-spec 2011 DT300i:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dR7ERFf6P5I/T8UDXj0Dw7I/AAAAAAAAAM8/F5fVuEePVes/s512/2012-03-19%252019.41.05.jpg)
I don't know if most of the folks adding LED turn signals have USA-spec bikes with the front signals installed in the mirrors or Europe/Asian models.. On our US spec bikes it appears that possibly the signal mirrors have resisters built into them. After adding LED signal bulbs to my bike the signals worked normally until I disconnected the front signal mirrors from the circuit and then I had the rapid flash rate and the signals were not going all the way off, they would stay on at half brightness.
Please note that I am not using the LED bulbs listed in this thread - I'm using the products from V-LEDs. (I will be listing the exact bulb models, etc in a future write-up when I get back from out of town)
Also, when changing out the rear tail/brake light, be sure to order a red LED bulb for use behind the red plastic lens housing. (Red LED behind red lens, amber LED behind amber lens, and whatever color you need/require behind a clear lens for example amber for our turn signals)
The bulb research by "Whispers" above is correct: the headlight is H8 for both low/high, tail/stop is 1157, and the turn signals are BAU15S.
Brent
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I think online store is the best place to scooter parts. There are lots of online store and some online stores are the dealer who provide all parts of you vehicles so i think you get good parts from online store. It provide all size of part which easily fitted in our vehicles. Online store offer great price on each part of vehicles.
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I too replaced my turn and stop lights with LED's. I bought the resistors, but found that you don't need them on US bikes. I seems because the turn signals front are LED,you have a resistor or a LED rated flash or (winker). I'm replacing headlamps with Nokya Artic white 55w 7000k bulbs,same has my chevy van bright and a blue tint.
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You don't need load resistors, just change the flasher to one designed for led. It will plug in in place of the original.
Yes 100%. Load resistors will defeat the purpose of installing LEDs which is to lower electric draw. With load resistors, you will still have the power draw of ordinary bulbs. Load resistors also heat up and may melt some part near it.
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It appears from my US Kymco DT 300i,that the replacement of LED bulbs in my bike ,was just changing the bulbs.LED's worked great. Replaced my H8's with Nokya Artic White 55w 7000k bulbs Halogen bulbs. High & low beams are the same bulb H8. Night ride is way brighter. LED's in rear way brighter.
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Hi
Where can I get the original LED lights around the headlight bulb?
Do you have any sources for that?
Thanks!!!
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LED technology has come a long way, to the point where the ballast/heat sinks can now be incorporated into the base on the bulb. They are also a direct Plug and Play from halogen to LED.
Plenty around to choose from, but here is an example of a manufacturer.
https://www.nighteyeled.com/ (https://www.nighteyeled.com/)
Hi
Where can I get the original LED lights around the headlight bulb?
Do you have any sources for that?
Thanks!!!
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But did anyone change the LEDs in the headlight yet?
I did not find anything in the manual about it..
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I get the oil filter on ebay: seven bucks and change, postage included.
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And any idea about the LED I asked for? ;)
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Yes, there are plenty of headlight LED replacements but none are worthy yet. Several "brands" available from China but the LED configuration is not compatible with the existing lens/reflector. There is recently on ADVrider.com forum a guy selling headlamp replacements that are promising for 129 bucks apiece. That is just a bit out of my ballpark. The Like 150i seems to have an excellent headlamp assembly with proper beam pattern. It was designed correctly. I have quit looking.
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Yes I agree on this. I have a dark spot on my Kymco right in front about 2-3m directly ahead. The manufactures safeguard themselves by stating that they are for fog lights, not headlights. I still use them because overall, they shine more light on the road than the halogen ever could.
Yes, there are plenty of headlight LED replacements but none are worthy yet. Several "brands" available from China but the LED configuration is not compatible with the existing lens/reflector. There is recently on ADVrider.com forum a guy selling headlamp replacements that are promising for 129 bucks apiece. That is just a bit out of my ballpark. The Like 150i seems to have an excellent headlamp assembly with proper beam pattern. It was designed correctly. I have quit looking.
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And any idea about the LED I asked for? ;)
Are you talking about the round ring of LED lights around the main lights? If so, I too would love to know how to replace one since one has been out for a while.