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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: Whisper on January 27, 2011, 03:16:12 PM
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Just a few thoughts on the lil beastie on the ride home yesterday (I'll add pics this weekend)
The conditions for the ride had given me pause, as the wind was 20 gusting over 35 - It was blowing the cage all over the road on the way to the dealership. But while discretion is the better part of valor, eschewing discretion is certainly the bestest part (>.0 ).
Plenty of room under that seat! Looks like there is not as much as there is. Until it swallowed my entire full face (Vega Altrua) - I did have to face it backwards to get it to fit well. That left me with another helmet-sized cavern to fill in front of it. Given that my former bike (crotch rocket) had enough room to stow a small wallet at best, this is a welcome change.
Getting off the center stand was a breeze, I'm 5/7 ~160 (Not the biggest lad, but it took no significant effort. I was able to almost totally flatfoot at rest on both sides, and duckwalking the scoot backwards was no problem - In fact the body seems to be designed to aid in this (Feels thinner somehow the midpoint).
Throttle is responsive and strong, but the clutch engagement is just plain smooth. Nicely balanced. The engine is definitely a thumper. It is not the sewing machine that the crotch rocket is, but smoother than my Vespa 150LX. Standing still, you can vaguely feel the engine, at speed, it is just hums along.
For a single disk on each wheel, the brakes are MORE than enough. I can't see any benefit a dual disc would bring. The odd part is - The front brakes are good. The rear binders are INCREDIBLE. I have never had rear brakes work so well. You can DROP ANCHOR in a major way. The braking is smooth and predictable - AND they have taken the time to add adjustable handles, AND plastic coated, braided steel brake lines (NOICE!). I didn't notice this until I got home, but it is a nice touch.
Remember that wind? I was fairly on-edge for the first 10 miles, pretty sure I'd be riding at a miserable list to compensate. The wind was DEAD west, and I was heading south. To my amazement, it was a total non-issue. So was riding next to big rigs (which were weaving mightily). I don't understand it, but it just plowed through the wind without much notice.
Handling was something I had to get used to - It rides like a big scooter (^.^ ). At speed, very little bar pressure is required to initiate a turn. After the lean, there is a slight hesitation as the suspension sets and the turn begins. It handles like a Burgman 650, on a 200lb diet. High speed turns revealed no bad habits - No wallowing, no drifting. Pressure on bars, set suspension , roll on throttle - Smooth and predictable. It did make driving quite easy.
Straight line was STABLE. At highway speeds, I jolted the bars, looking for oscillation. Nothing. Immediately settled. I rode over smooth highway, and crappy, torn-up city streets. The suspension soaked up imperfections, rain grooves, and uneven lane without issue. The suspension was set at '3' for me.
The seat was comfy for the hour ride - The wife LOVES the passenger accommodations. The scoot is big, but the bars, mirror placement and instrument cluster position make everything feel within reach. I'm used to having to look a bit ahead to see my mirrors, on the Downtown, they are RIGHT THERE. Riding position is comfy, and there are plenty. I put my feet straight down, behind me, AND , if you slide your bum forward you can actually use the forward rests and roll like it is a lounge chair.
2-up is not problem. The engine revs a little higher on take off. Not much else. if you adjust the suspension accordingly, I can honestly say 2-up is not just doable. It is easy and comfy. The scoot handles it with ease and grace.
All in all, It is a great scoot and cruises like a dream. As a bonus, I got upward of 70mpg on the trip, and my insurance has dropped by 75% (with lowered deductables!!!).
Of course there are things I didn't like - Here are the cons:
- The User's manual is rubbish. I remember when these used to take more than 15 minutes to put together. Why would it not include how to change the oil or belt? Why doesn't it have actual size numbers for the bulbs? Why wouldn't it tell me how to adjust the throttle takeup. Boooooo!
LUCKILY, the service manual is on scribd - along with the parts list. The service manual is quite good. It also tells you how to run the internal diagnostic mode. I'll be buying that.
- The instrument cluster. I love it! The LED backlights are sharp, and the fisheye glass over the needles is perfect to avoid glare. However, resetting the trip requires a 2second-button hold. It is a little much. Would also like a little more granularity than the 4-bar gas gauge and temp gauge. Just nitpicking.
- The ignition key functions are unintelligible. The ring around they key has a multitude of arrows and hieroglyphics, on many separate levels. A simple dot with a word next to it would be great.
- The Downtown has a STOCK rear tire hugger. If you have a bike without one, you can appreciate their value - The hugger prevents the tire from slinging crap yp, under your bike. HOWEVER, they decided to hide that behind a giant, hideous mudflap/giant chunk of plastic to hold the license plate. Fabricating a 'tail tidy' will be a priority. Why does every manufacturer seem to put thses on their bikes?
- No LED turnsignals in the rear? No LED taillight? The rest of the bike is sooooo slick and modern - why would we not include this? I'll be fixing this oversight immediately. ;D
- No Downtown 300i forum here! Seriously. They are going to sell quite a few of these things this year. May want to get that going.
All in all, the value you get for the price on this scoot is incredible. It is a very fun ride and cuises like a dream. The styling cannot be beat (It looks like it was actually designed this decade) - It really catches the eye. Faster than my Vespa, less of a rolling pig than my Burgman, WAY more practical than my crotch rocket. Can't go wrong with this scoot IMHO.
P.S. I'll edit the post to add pics later ;D
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Congratulations on your purchase Whisper, I can not wait until march to get mine. Looking forward to see to pics and also let us know how do you go about setting up the gps.
I am not familiar with lights but I am interested to see what sort of led lights will you use on the rear.
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Unfortunately, even the parts list is VERY vague on the bulb sizes for the Downtown. So, I went and pulled them.
Let me tell you - Popping the bulbs is no 10 minute job. Get out the tool kit and get ready for a solid 1-2 hours. Also work on growing a 2nd elbow. ;D Here's what I found:
- Headlights H8 35W
- Rear Turn Signal: BAU15S
- Rear Brake: 1157
I'll confirm when the lights come in that they are indeed the correct sizes.
I did also find out some other unfortunate news - A stock oil filter is $20. A drive belt is $165!!!!!! Roller weights are $11 a piece.
The good news is the replacement intervals are humane. And from what I hear, the Kymco stock stuff lasts (I don't even see a madatory belt replacement on the schedule). However, as soon as an aftermarket oil filter comes out for 1/4 the price, I will be jumping on it.
The other good news is that all the mechanical maintenance parts are EASY to get to (unlike the lights ;D). It will probably take less time to do the first service than it will to change out the lights. HA!
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- The User's manual is rubbish. I remember when these used to take more than 15 minutes to put together. Why would it not include how to change the oil or belt? Why doesn't it have actual size numbers for the bulbs? Why wouldn't it tell me how to adjust the throttle takeup. Boooooo!
Because it is a user's and not service manual.
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I notice the 300 is over 100 pounds lighter than the 500. This makes me wonder if it perhaps accelerates almost as well as the 500??
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I notice the 300 is over 100 pounds lighter than the 500. This makes me wonder if it perhaps accelerates almost as well as the 500??
According a well placed source, the D300 is faster accelerating than than the X500, until you read the 70 MPH range.
Based on my memory of the test ride, the D300 accelerates VERY quickly with almost no lag between throttle twist and motion. My P250 needs to spin up before it starts moving and I don't remember feeling anything like a lag when pulling out at stop lights and the such when riding the D300.
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I notice the 300 is over 100 pounds lighter than the 500. This makes me wonder if it perhaps accelerates almost as well as the 500??
Agility 125 is over 100 pounds lighter than People 250 S and it definitely does not accelerate as well. Not even almost. :)
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Because it is a user's and not service manual.
It SOUNDS reasonable, but EVERY other manual I have had for EVERY other bike has had these things. Car manuals have them too. trust me, it is just a few pages more substantial than a pamphlet.
And I have high expectations of my complimentary motorcycle literature ;D
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It SOUNDS reasonable, but EVERY other manual I have had for EVERY other bike has had these things. Car manuals have them too. trust me, it is just a few pages more substantial than a pamphlet.
And I have high expectations of my complimentary motorcycle literature ;D
In the past 10 years I purchased around 10 scoots and two bikes and none of them had detailed service information inside.
Last year I bought two quads and a new car, and no manual for any of them contains information how to do service, change oil, bulbs, belts or anything else.
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According a well placed source, the D300 is faster accelerating than than the X500, until you read the 70 MPH range.
Based on my memory of the test ride, the D300 accelerates VERY quickly with almost no lag between throttle twist and motion. My P250 needs to spin up before it starts moving and I don't remember feeling anything like a lag when pulling out at stop lights and the such when riding the D300.
Thanks, TechGuy, yes I believe it's possible that's true. Could be accomplished with factory engineers picking the right roller weights, clutch tuning, final drive ratio, etc. It's a gorgeous bike and a possibility for my next purchase as I age and need to downsize. ;)
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Thanks, TechGuy, yes I believe it's possible that's true. Could be accomplished with factory engineers picking the right roller weights, clutch tuning, final drive ratio, etc. It's a gorgeous bike and a possibility for my next purchase as I age and need to downsize. ;)
Regardless of "fine tuning", power and torque output dictates both acceleration, elasticity and top speed.
You cannot turn 300 cc 30 hp into 500 cc 40 hp whatever you do.
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The Downtown has the newer engine and can be set up more agressively while fulfilling the emission limits.
The Xciting 500 starts with 2500rpm and won't see 5000rpm in urban driving.
Don't know if the Downi 300 is really a little bit faster/slower or its higher rpm level (with noise) makes us think so.
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Awesome man, i want one!
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Regardless of "fine tuning", power and torque output dictates both acceleration, elasticity and top speed.
You cannot turn 300 cc 30 hp into 500 cc 40 hp whatever you do.
Power and torque do do dictate acceleration, top speed, etc... IF you don't take into consideration weight and gearing. Looking at engine numbers by themselves is misleading.
Weight is a HUGE factor - And since rider weight can be 1/4-1/2 the total weight, real world performance numbers can vary wildly.
You'd expect the gearing to be dead on, but once again, it depends heavily on weight which varies wildly. Also, manufacturers have to balance efficiency and ridability - Any scoot would go much faster if the clutch engaged crisply at 5k rpms and kept the revs in the top 20% of the range. Of course this would drastically reduce the lifespan of all driven parts, crush gas milage, and make it fairly unpleasant to ride for most people.
Lotsa factors, lotsa comprimise.
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Much of the performance of the Downtown is that it is designed to be used as a commuter. Performance in the 0-45 MPH range may be the range that it was optimized for. This means its higher speed performance may be less than that of the Xciting 500. The X500 is more focused on it's highway performance (55-70 MPH). This could mean the lower speed performance (in-town speeds) would be of less importance to the designers. Getting both low and high speed performance doesn't seem possible with a CVT.
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Getting both low and high speed performance doesn't seem possible with a CVT.
To the contrary, I think it is quite possible, especially with 125-250 cc 4 stroke scoots. You should try P250S, it is quite balanced.
With smaller displacement it is very easy to screw acceleration if you go for top speed and vice versa.
With larger displacement scoots, the problem is also to prevent tire slipping when starting from stand still.
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The XCiting 500 definitely has a higher top speed - Axy is right, there is no replacement for displacement for overcoming the wind.
But the D300 seems to be geared very well for my weight (160#). Acceleration is quite good, and even at 70mph, it has enough guts to pass. It certainly isn't the eyeball pinning response of my crotch rocket, but I don't feel like I am even close to wringing it out on the highway. They really struck a good balance.
Getting low and high speed performance isn't that tricky. Get the roller weight and and variator correct and you'll get acceleration. Get the diameter of the variator and final gearing right, and you have top speed. No reason why you can't have both in a CVT.
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The XCiting 500 definitely has a higher top speed - Axy is right, there is no replacement for displacement for overcoming the wind.
... there is. Turbo charger! ;D :D
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Delivering our new Kymco, Downtown 300i Thursday replacing our Peoples S200. Feeling the 160 some CC in the 200, we surely wanted bigger and more comfortable. I am 6'1" at 245 and want to be able to travel a bit further from home. Had to talk myself into 14" & 13" wheels from the 16's on the 200. Looked at the 250 Grand Vista but too tight from seat to handle bars. The 200 was Red & went to the Silver for the 300....just like "downtown"! Further, ordered the V46 Box for the back. Can't wait till warm weather here in PA!
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Congrats! I hear the Silver ones are the fastest (^.^ ). Definitely post what you think of it when you get it!
The smaller wheels will be a better trade-off than you think - On a scoot, it adds to the scooty handling. Also, I have been noticing, the weight on the downtown is slung LOOOOOooooow. Way low. Lower than the Burgman and perhaps the Vespa I had. Seems to really help with low speed handling.
This weekend I have the following projects!:
- Change Headlights
- Replace Tail bulbs with LEDs
- Pour Dynabeads in the tires
I'll try to post with pics.
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Thanks Whisper for your reply to my post. I'm not a very long user of the "scoots"! Sure am looking forward to receiving it today.
Went to the place of origin taking an item down they needed for pre delivery process from my package that came with it. It was the battery cover they needed to complete the installation. I looked at the process and couldn't believe that the entire seat and more had to be taken off to get into that compartment. I had them install a quick connect to the trickle charge that I had for the 200 which work's great. Like a kid with a new toy can't wait to get home from work! Just like "downtown" you know! I have a large frame and needed this bigger scooter. I have to say here, I really loved the Peoples S200 and hate to see it go (Trade-In). :( Photography was my profession and is my Hobby and the storage space will be nice. The V46 Box is being added to this unit. Wonder how this will run on some of my longer trips at say 50-55 or maybe 60! 21 degrees this AM in PA :( Will post my delivery impression!
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In looking at the prices of the service manual for the Downtown 300i decided to down load the 200 some page for 14 bucks.
Not really a mechanic so it's not like I will be tearing into anything! I didn't print double side paper so the result will be just enough for a umm a normal note book (1"). I already wrote down the notes from Whisper on bulb's, thanks whisper!
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Yeah, they definitely have the storage bucket bolted down! I removed everything but the seat bolts to SQUEEZE my hand in the back to get at the bulbs. I *DO NOT* recommend this - It is not worth risking damage and it is wildly uncomfortable! (>.< ). Luckily, you can spin those bolts out in under 5 min.
I used to live in PA! Good news - The Groundhog didn't see it's shadow. ;D The downtown has some good wind protection, so riding in cooler temps is quite possible. Just be careful of those meticulously cared for PenDOT roads...
55-60 will be NO issue. My commute has a speed limit of 70mph, and It gets to speed easily. And there is plenty left for passing. The chasis is also good for the higher speeds. I've bumped the handlebars (purposefully) at highway speeds - No oscillation. Nice and stable. Just make sure you set those back springs for your weight (Tool kit has the required spanner).
PLEASE send pics of that box you are putting on! I'm looking for a nice one, and that one is definitely nice! I'd like to see how it looks on the D300.
I'll be able to confirm bulb sizes this weekend. unfortunately, the headlights they sent were 100W instead of the 35W I ordered. Grrrr. Had to return & reorder. I'll post the actual part number for the LEDs I ordered if they fit. I'm also going to try to do some real-world testing of those Dynabeads.
People love those People 200s! I haven't met anyone who rides them who has had an unkind word for it. I think you'll definitely dig the D300, tho. Do yourself a favor and order your first oil filter now - 500 miles goes by fast in that saddle!
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OK..OK !! It arrived at 11 AM!! The more I looked at it, the more I liked it. Ice and snow still on the ground and the garage door and pulling it is I found it spinning! A bit of help and it went in. It is definetly heavier than the 200 and being I had to park it sideways in the garage I didn't have that little bit of run backwards to get in on it's center stand!...left it on the side stand and it is ok for now...just like "downtown". Of course it doesn't start or run with the side stand down. Ok with the center stand for starting and running. Next, I sat on it and ran it for so many minutes getting the feel of it in this state. Of course at noted, the side stand was up. I wanted to place it on the center stand and even with my size, I couldn't do it in the garage with it sitting cross wise in there. Not enough of that little bit of run room to get it up! That works with age too!! Anyway, now I can't wait till warm weather get's here. Also, I hooked up my trickle charger right away after shutting it down, it stayed on charging for a good while then switched over to trickle eventually. Will shot some photo's when I get the V46 Box Whisper which I know is going to be a great add on. I do know that the color will correspond with most of the scooter's. Called to make sure that oil filter is stocked...thanks for that info! I did note while running in a idling mode and just barely throttling a bit...it want's to jump!
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Syl,
To get the D300 up on the center stand, stand facing the bike, place your left hand on the left handlebar grip and place a couple fingers over the brake (in case you need it), stand close the bike and place your right hand on the luggage rack side rail (near the side of the pillion seat) and grip it firmly, place your right foot on the center stand's lever (the part that sticks out the side of the bike). As you press down on the center stand lever with your right foot, make sure both legs are on the ground, use the luggage rack to pull up and pull slightly back on the front grip towards the rear of the scoot. This should make getting the scoot up on the center stand easier.
NB's F6550GS - How to Put the Motorcycle on the Centerstand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDNqCMNau9A#)
This video shows a much heavier and taller bike but uses the same technique.
Here is another good video.
How to Use a Centerstand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXZyJSPkx4#)
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Tech Guy, thanks for the information and the video. Seems very easy the way you showed and I tried that other than rocking it back and forth as you described. I had no trouble with the S200 and I didn't even know about the rocking! Nevertheless, your way will be attempted tomorrow and again, I thank you for all. When it was delivered at 11 AM, I attached the trickle charger at 11:30 AM and it's been going since to the checking on it at 4:30 PM. I noted that the red charging light was on and the green light blinking ever since placing it on at 11:30. Hope that is normal but I didn't have that happen when the S200 was put on charge/trickle.
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When I was a wimpy teenager a friend gave me the best lesson in this. "Put your back into it". Sure enough, I was able to put a 750 on the centerstand. At the time I was 134 pounds. Now I'm 138. Ha!
I've always had rather weak arms and legs but strong back and gluteus maximus. If you learn to make those muscles participate, it's easier. I won't say easy as pie but easier.
Each time I put the 500 on the center stand I feel like I've pulled a tree stump out of the ground. :D
I am a below knee amputee on the left side so, thank God I have my real right leg for this purpose!
By the way, that guy in the second video looks like an enormous fellow. He dwarfs that bike.
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I find shifting all my weight onto the right foot while lifting slightly on the rear rack, and holding the left handlebar to work just fine. Coincidentally, the People 250 weight the same as the Downtown 300i.
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http://www.jackphelps.com/vstrom/vstromv46topcase.htm (http://www.jackphelps.com/vstrom/vstromv46topcase.htm) The previous is some info on the V46 Box I have ordered. I let the dealer do the research for ordering it and providing the mounting hardware. I had 1 40 litre box on my S200 and I know how worth while it was. It was not a V46 which is pricey but understandingly rock like. Am looking forward again, to warm weather. Heck I might run up and down the alley at the least sign of warmth! You know, kid with a new toy!
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V46 Box, http://www.jackphelps.com/vstrom/vstromv46topcase.htm (http://www.jackphelps.com/vstrom/vstromv46topcase.htm)
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Holey schmoley. That box doesn't look like it can hold much... if you look at it from the side. Once you see the back of it, it looks like it will be cavernous! That is really good looking too.... I can't wait to see how it looks on there - I think the width will be perfect for the D300. Can you get a passenger backrest for it? That would seal the deal for me. That has a lock on it, right?
Centerstand is all technique on this one, and those vids TechGuy posted are *GOLD* - It is SOOOOOOO easy to make it harder than it could be. Here's my gig:
1. If you have limited room, get the scoot as far forward in the space as you can. Putting it on the stand will move it back a few inches.
2. Stand facing scooter (Very important, LOL!), make sure your right foot is lined up with the centerstand peg.
3. Grab the luggage rack/passenger rail. Make sure you are grabbing from under it - Palm up. Your other hand is on the left handlebar.
4. Step on the centerstand peg like you are stepping up onto a stepstool - Let your weight do all the work for you. You can lift on the grab rail a little if you want.
5. The whole thing will shift back. Let it do its thing. Just keep it smooth (avoid jerking, brute force - it doesn't help) and you'll never have a problem.
Getting it off the centerstand is easy. Stand in thesame place as putting it on. Hand in the same place too - but grab the brake while taking it off! Just pull it forward smoothly and with constant, controlled force (Doesn't take much), and it happily hops right off.
BTW. I think I can replace the little twisty knob on the glove compartment with a keyed cam lock. Wooohooo! I'll let you know how it goes.
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Hi,
I have done a few searches on the luggage options for the D300 and there are some nice handy ideas out there.
The Givi V46 seems to be the best top box in terms of size and fitting (givi sell a 'holder' for the top box built for the downtown 300, which means no drilling):
The 'holder' reference is SR92M
* Here is a link to the givi website in the UK
http://www.givi.co.uk/My-motorcycle/?ma=KYMCO&mo=Downtown-125i-300i-0910 (http://www.givi.co.uk/My-motorcycle/?ma=KYMCO&mo=Downtown-125i-300i-0910)
* a video showing how to install a top box with the mentioned 'holder' (german but no talking :)):
part 1: HC Werkstatt (Teil1): Kymco Top-Case Träger Zubehör (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xULc7AJaqM#ws)
part 2: HC Werkstatt (Teil2): Kymco Top-Case Träger Zubehör (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G80eGudXo3s#ws)
Soft Luggage
*Givi T455
Tunnel Bag (http://www.helmetheadcycle.com/image.php?img=eShop/GIVI/GIVI-T455.jpg)
On a Xciting (http://www.megamodo.com/images2010/02/550_KYMCO-XCITING_01.jpg)
* Givi T449
Saddle Bag (http://www.givi.co.uk/img/21016-r-50974/Saddle-bags-T449.jpg)
On the D300 (http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/962/25072009003.jpg)
Hope it helps to narrow your searches.
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I like the GIVI but it seems much more expensive. SHAD seems to make good cases and most include the mounting items required. ALL shad cases come with the mountning plate at no additional cost.
Anyone have any experience with the SHAD cases? The SH40 seems to sell for about $150 USD.
This is the video for the SH40
SHAD SH40 TOP CASE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Dzqco8bRY#)
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I had Shad 40 and added reflector's to it but what I like about the V46, it has wrap around reflection. My thought's the more the better. If I am correct, the V46 is in fact 46 Litre's and the shad is 40..not sure but ...I also like the brighter box. I too hate the price but...again...
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(http://www.shad.es/imagenes/r_shad681.jpg)
Shad does make 6 cases larger than the 40 shown, including the 50 shown above with wrap reflectors.
I added my own to my top case.
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SUCCESS! Well, mostly.
Got the LED tail bulbs in - You have to take out the center bucket to do it, and it is a little tight to get at the bulbs, but definitely doable!
- Headlights H8 35W - CONFIRMED
- Rear Turn Signal: BAU15S - CONFIRMED
- Rear Brake: 1157 - CONFIRMED
I got all my bulbs from SuperbrightLEDs (I have no affiliation or business uinterest with them - but I was very happy with their products!)
Turn Signals: http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2FBAU15S-x18-T.htm (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2FBAU15S-x18-T.htm)
Brake Light: http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2F1156-x18-T.htm (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page2Disp=%2Fspecs%2F1156-x18-T.htm)
The good news is they work GREAT! I was worried about the brake light (I've been disappointed by LED bulbs in the past). No worries with these. The turn signals work without splicing in a resistor or changing out the flasher. The dashboard indicator appears to think a bulb is burned out (Goes bright-dim-bright instead of on-off-on), but the function of the turn signals is unchanged - No hyper flashing. Very worth it. I'll spawn a new post on this with pics ASAP.
I also threw dynabeads (http://www.innovativebalancing.com/ (http://www.innovativebalancing.com/)) in the tires - 2 oz in each. It took a lot of tapping to get the beasties in, but I was done in about 30 minutes. The ride before I put them in was smooth. The ride afterward is at least as smooth. It may be placebo effect, but I swear it is smoother at higher speeds. I tried getting some data with a seismometer app (spinning the rear wheel on the centerstand), but I have to sort though the data.
This was so cheap and easy, I can't see how it would hurt. I'll spawn a new post on this with pics ASAP.
My only failure was the locking glove box. And it was all my fault. The cam lock was an exact fit. However, the OEM latch must be used, and it is thicker than what the new cam lock was using. I needed a longer screw, and found one that is too long. My attempts at shortening the screw led to a stripped out lock (>.< ). I'll spend another 4 USD for a new lock and actually splurge the 0.12 USD for the CORRECT screw and try again. LOL!
Next up: Oil change! Only a few hundred more miles!!!
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Added pics throughout the post - Here are a few from my locking front compartment efforts.
Also - The LED taillight pics and links are here as well:
http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=3527.0 (http://kymcoforum.com/index.php?topic=3527.0)
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Whisper, so how do you think you came out with the lock subject? By chance would Kymco have or will they have a sub for the present no key latch? Curious as to their reasoning of not manufacturing with a lock....(cost)....how much could it cost them to do so such as on the gas cap. Waiting for my V stop for the front tire lock down on my trailer. One thing I'm glad I don't have to change is the mirrors to go out wider. On the S200 I couldn't see past my wide shoulder's. These on the 300 are surely better (not total) but at least can see without shifting left or right for better view.
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That reminds me - I need to order another lock. LOL! I can't imagine Kymco will offer an official replacement. I am also rethinking this mod, as it is kinda handy having no lock. I can get at things I need while I am underway. Or jam stuff in there on the go.
The mirrors are very well done on this scoot. I notice they are clear at speed - Not vibrating so everything is blurry. Also, they feel very 'close' (they never actually ever get in the way of anything) - It takes a little getting used to, but it offers a very easy view. Still wondering how the heck to best mount a GPS, tho.
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There is some pretty hefty Velcro available when all else seems to fail! Finding a good location can be tough but I know I used this stuff on dash boards where changing configuration is not permitted. This is not a possible total answer for mounting a GPS but could lead to another way of thinking about it. I know I'll be doing much the same as our much awaited Spring/Summer arrives.
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You, sir, are a genius.