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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Downtown 300 => Topic started by: sissy mary on November 30, 2011, 01:48:40 PM
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I recommend this to everyone. www.tufoil.com (http://www.tufoil.com) Note, can not be used with wet clutch, such as most motorcycles. Most scooters are fine, as they have dry clutch. My Lincoln can top 30mpg at 65. Guinness book of world records, worlds must efficient lubricant. :-*
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snake oil...I wouldn't put that stuff in a broken down lawn mower.
Edit, yeah I misspelled snake. Possible reason..I had cataract surgery yesterday, vision has not stabilized yet, and am taking hydrocodone.
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Sanke? ???
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A product that does not work, marketing hype...
They say it was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the "World's Most Efficient Lubricant," but I can't find any independent verification of that. The search function on the Guinness World Records website doesn't return any results for "tufoil," "efficient lubricant," or even "lubricant." I doubt it'll harm your engine but I definitely wouldn't use it.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1847112&Searchpage=3&Main=129248&Words=tufoil&Search=true#Post1847112 (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1847112&Searchpage=3&Main=129248&Words=tufoil&Search=true#Post1847112)
http://205.243.146.146/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1511168 (http://205.243.146.146/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1511168)
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=284981 (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=284981)
http://landroverforums.com/forum/discovery-ii-18/anyone-tried-tufoil-their-disco-39614/ (http://landroverforums.com/forum/discovery-ii-18/anyone-tried-tufoil-their-disco-39614/)
http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/2117395/tufoil (http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/2117395/tufoil)
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Yeah, snake oil. Marketing hype! That's why lots of brands have already deleted the use of PTFE in their additives. Slick 50 has stopped marketing PTFE also. The new trend is Moly or Molybdenum Disulfite. Its worse than teflon because its metal! Its only good for dry lubrication like grease, etc.
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The original idea of PTFE usage was to have a minimal coat left on the dry parts when drainage occured. Also there were false claims of this thin film imbeded to the surface of all the moving parts. With the anti-drain oil filters and exceptional synthetics these addatives are of no real use.
Now There are addatives that may help out Dino oils but you coud also just use partial synthetic oil too. In the end you are just better off choosing a major brand oil , dino/synthetic, and keep it and the filters changed often............
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This company paid independant labs to test their product. In the roller ball test (a standard test for the industry), It took only a few seconds for most oils to start smoking do to heat build up of the balls rubbing together. I think the best synthetic oils and or other additives lasted at most 2 minutes. Tuf oil lasted about 13-16 DAYS. This stuff works. I also am very leary of all of this lube crap that is on the market, but I believe in this product. :-X
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This company paid independant labs to test their product. In the roller ball test (a standard test for the industry), It took only a few seconds for most oils to start smoking do to heat build up of the balls rubbing together. I think the best synthetic oils and or other additives lasted at most 2 minutes. Tuf oil lasted about 13-16 DAYS. This stuff works. I also am very leary of all of this lube crap that is on the market, but I believe in this product. :-X
Even if true then you are talking about subjecting to surfaces to preasures not encountered in real world situations. Also with these tests they encounter free spin off of the lubricant not a bathed thin film as in a fed bearing. You have to relate apples to apples, their "tests" have little to do with what is experinced real wolr in an engine.
Now for a final gear drive this may be more relatable. Evn then though there is still some recirculation of lube...................
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The 4 ball test was developed for grease. It was never meant for oil. The test is meaningless for oil.
Shell, Mobil and every other major oil blender are well aware of the 4-Ball wear test. What they are saying, and this includes Redline, is that this particular test has ZERO relevance to what goes on inside an engine. That is why no one else uses it. It's more of a grease test.
They paid a lab for the results they wanted. Some of these test were done over 20 years ago. Again I would not put that crap in any thing I own. And I have 53 years of automotive experience. P.T. Barnum was right...there is one born every minute.
http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/357102898 (http://forums.noria.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/616604995/m/357102898)
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What made me larf was the reference to Tufoil being "... an anti-friction lubricant." Wow, imagine that!
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Then explain to me how my big V8 Lincoln get's 30 plus MPG when it is rated at 25? How is it that I get 50 plus MPG 2 up at high way speeds on my X5 , when no one else seems to be able to break 50 or even mid 40's? How about the engine temp's going down on all engines tested? Read their testtemonials about people getting 5,6,800,000 miles on their vehicals. The guy with the race engine that had to be rebuilt after every race or so, and now he hardly touches the engine. The corvette owner who sent his engine in to be rebuilt, and the shop refunded his money he paid for the new parts as everything was as new. And last but not least, the HYDRO ELECTRIC DAM that had dramatic reductions of tempurature where used? Read their heat chart! All oils run much hotter than the same engines with tufoil? You can't fake heat my friends. Heat in an engine = friction. :-* NUFF SAID
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Then explain to me how my big V8 Lincoln get's 30 plus MPG when it is rated at 25? How is it that I get 50 plus MPG 2 up at high way speeds on my X5 , when no one else seems to be able to break 50 or even mid 40's? How about the engine temp's going down on all engines tested? Read their testtemonials about people getting 5,6,800,000 miles on their vehicals. The guy with the race engine that had to be rebuilt after every race or so, and now he hardly touches the engine. The corvette owner who sent his engine in to be rebuilt, and the shop refunded his money he paid for the new parts as everything was as new. And last but not least, the HYDRO ELECTRIC DAM that had dramatic reductions of tempurature where used? Read their heat chart! All oils run much hotter than the same engines with tufoil? You can't fake heat my friends. Heat in an engine = friction. :-* NUFF SAID
Hmm...maybe Tuff oil got into your brain too...
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I have a rock that keeps tigers away.
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All hype. Sorry some people will believe any thing.
With the cafe going up and the automakers spending millions to get tenths of a mile improvement to meet the gov regulations don't you think they would be all over this free gas mileage.. ::)
Engines temps on water cooled engines are controlled by the coolant and the thermostat.
This crap came out over 20 years ago and has been disproved over time. Don't believe every thing you read. Your car will get the gas mileage it dose with any good synthetic. The rating of any car is an estimate. Says so right on the window sticker. Believe what you want to. Its your money, not mine.
Oh yeah I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
see link..
http://louisville.bbb.org/article/bbb-warns-dont-fall-for-gimmicks-involving-gas-saving-devices-26212 (http://louisville.bbb.org/article/bbb-warns-dont-fall-for-gimmicks-involving-gas-saving-devices-26212)
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This company paid independant labs to test their product. In the roller ball test (a standard test for the industry), It took only a few seconds for most oils to start smoking do to heat build up of the balls rubbing together. I think the best synthetic oils and or other additives lasted at most 2 minutes. Tuf oil lasted about 13-16 DAYS. This stuff works. I also am very leary of all of this lube crap that is on the market, but I believe in this product. :-X
This comment just shows that you are not familiar about the ball test. This test bears little relation to what happens in an engine. This test is for marketing purposes only. In this test, the relative sliding motion is in a constant direction, temperature, and force. This simplifies the hydrodynamics greatly. In an engine, this is not the case. Its obvious that you were just engulfed by testimonials and "test results". This is what Psychologists call "self deception".
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I get average 27 MPG in my 2003 Sonata that is rated for 25 highway, I get over 70 average from my DT rated at 69 highway. I get 27 highway from my Sorento SX V6 AWD rated at 24 highway. What does getting over raed mean, you drive to get MPG!
As stated engine temps are regulated by the thermostat, now it were air cooled and all else were equal that may be different. As far as race engines, they arew meant to be rebuilt to maintain peak performance. Som drag engines are rebuilt per run etc.
To replace/supliment grease or heay oil I can see where the teflon addative can have some use. For modern engines that like even 0-5 weight oils the addative is probably more a hinderance than help.
As far as stories of well maintained engines etc, there exist many even without addatives. Ususally however those looking to use these tend to otherwise take care of their engines as far as schedules maintenance and therefore naturally will have longer lasting components. Again though it is your money.
Now for a test I would take to heart they need an engine with a known oiling issue. Such as run sets of 5 dodge 2.7 V6 engines (known oil and sludge issues) with one set on dino, one set dino with adative, another set on a good synthetic and lastly a set with the same synthetic and addative. run all to failure with proper maintenance and then pull them all apart. Now of course all would have to experience loads and accelerations etc. to simulate real world application................
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hey...will "fish oil" work...lol
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hey...will "fish oil" work...lol
Depends on what kind of fish...lol But I've seen a demo of the Honda Cub using used vegetable oil from a restaurant.
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The FTC has indicated that all of the major companies manufacturing additives, teflon or otherwise, have used deceptive advertising in order to mislead consumers into believing that their products offer advanced engine protection and performance over motor oil alone.
The claims made for Tufoil are the same for the others that have been proven false. Has the FTC approved Tufoil? If it is simply a teflon additive as some of the others, then why would Tufoil work when the others don't?
http://www.skepdic.com/slick50.html (http://www.skepdic.com/slick50.html)
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actually i was thinking salmon....higher rated viscosity......and yea a honda that can run on veg oil......nobody makes a better engine than honda
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The PTF/Teflon particals are much smaller in Tufoil, than in other products, (from what I have read). And since when does the FTC have to do with approving anything? If they do approve any product, It's the one where their palms were greased by the company wanting their blessing! Just like the FDA an big pharma. My engines crank faster when cold, run cooler, and get better mpg than without Tufoil? What else can I say? :-*
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This is getting REALLY redundant . If you want to use tufoil fine . If you don't want to use tufoil fine . Get over it . Happy holidays .
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Ok, I'll use Slick 50. ;D Merry Christmas!!!
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Slick 50 was sued by the FTC for false advertising and no longer has PTFE. Actually when Shell oil bought pennzoil and Quakerstate who owned Slick 50 in 2002 they tried to sell off Slick 50 and got no takers so they changed the formula to try to make it the best that they could and not get in trouble with false advertising.
http://www.1expired.com/dura-lube_slick50.htm (http://www.1expired.com/dura-lube_slick50.htm)
tufoil is still pure hype and uses deceptive advertising and questionable testimonials. Its obvious how they twisted the guinness record to make people believe it was their concoction in stead of DuPont's product. Who by the way has said their product does not belong in an engine. Its hard for me to believe people still buy into these kind of products...
Oh yeah have a very merry Christmas.. ;D