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Scooters - 125 to 300 => Agility 125 => Topic started by: axy on March 01, 2009, 12:24:04 AM
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Does anybody know the weight of OEM weight rollers for Agility 125?
While we're at it, the same question for Kymco People 250S. :)
Thanks!
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I am told for Agility it`s 20x17 8,5g.
The question for People 250 S is still open...
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They are not 20x17. i just bought a pair based on this forums advice and they do not fit the stock rollers. If I can find out for sure...I will post the correct size.
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Its 18x14mm. Someone on the site here has replaced every other stock roller with a lighter 11gram. This is supposed to smooth out the power curve and make it a bit quicker off the line. I just bought a set and will try this. But I am positive the size is 18 X 14 as I have a set of the 20x17 and they do not fit the Agility 125.
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Excellent. I also bought 20x17. :( They should be due for replacement this winter.
I think that they changed this part. Searching the Internet I found many different dimensions and one mechanic gave me 20x17 so I purchased it.
From what year is your Agility?
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Good luck. Here is what I bought exactly from Scooterworks.com:
Scooterworks
5410 North Damen Avenue
Chicago, IL 60625
Roller Set, Prima - 18 x 14 mm (6 per set) 11.0 G $15.00
My Agility is a 2007 that I bought as a left over last May. I have owned/ridden many scooters over the years and this one is by far the best value. Practical, peppy, and inexpensive. I still don't know how they do it. I am not crazy about the style and the headlight is pretty weak. I actually added a driving light that I use on the rare occation when I ride at night. I also "re-activated" the little marker lights that reside next to the main headlight (I believe these are the turn signals for Euro spec). That and the soon to be installed 11g rollers are the only mods I plan to do.
How about yours...what year...do you like it etc? Be safe
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Also blue like yours, made in 2007, purchased in Jan 2008. Driven by my gf, has around 9000 kms by now, used as a sole vehicle for daily commuting. I am driving People S250 I purchased two months ago, 2000 kms on it at the moment...
Damn... I have purchased these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=220320324022
Today Oxford Hothands from UK have arrived, so very soon, I will install them. ;)
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Very nice...they should do the trick. You have a nice ride as well. It doesn't look like you are in America...my guess is Europe? Germany? Are you a Formula 1 fan? If so do you have a favorite team? Being stuck here in the land of NASCAR, it is hard to talk F1 with anyone...just curious. Good luck with the rollers.
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I am right here: http://www.maplandia.com/croatia/primorje-gorski-kotar/rijeka/
Used to be a great fan of F1 in Ferrari era... then things started to become boring, so I do not watch it anymore. >:(
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Wow, Croatia. Nice. I am in a small town outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. It is about 2 hours south of New York City. I was a big Ferrari fan until their dominance made for very boring races but I still watch and follow F1. You should check it out now though. New rules and specs on the cars have taken Ferrari by surprize and they are not even in the top ten of the standings. The new aero package has made overtaking much easier and the teams seem to be more evenly matched.
My new rollers just arrived yesterday so I hope to install them (every other one) in the Agility very soon and see what happens. I'll keep you posted.
Great "talking" with you. Be safe
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Please let me know if the dimension you gave me is correct, because I will obviously have to order another set... and I can use the existing one to make a bracelet or something... ??? ::) :-X
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I have an Agility 125 build 2007. I live in the Netherlands, the oem weight rollers in the bike are: 18x14 14gr
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Thanks NicBike, I agree with your comment about the stock (OEM) rollers. The weather has been bad and I will not be able to even attempt this again until next Monday, but my new rollers arrived and they are spot on to the size of the OEM rollers when I had then out to inspect last week. I can not wait to try the install of the 11grams (every other) one) to see what happens. Now if only the weather would help...6 days straight of rain...oh well.
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Thanks NicBike, I agree with your comment about the stock (OEM) rollers. The weather has been bad and I will not be able to even attempt this again until next Monday, but my new rollers arrived and they are spot on to the size of the OEM rollers when I had then out to inspect last week. I can not wait to try the install of the 11grams (every other) one) to see what happens. Now if only the weather would help...6 days straight of rain...oh well.
Keep us informed..........I'm expecting a higher launch rpm by the 11 grams rollers.
In the Netherlands we also have these days......solution.....rainwear. >:(
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Nic, I was born in Vlissingen...
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Finally had a break in the weather today. Was able to put the new rollers in and test. All went well. There is a nice smoothness now and the power comes on just a bit quicker making for a nice smooth take off on level ground. I would say this mod is definitely worth it. My top end till seems to be 53-58 MPH as well. Hills are unchanged...the scoot just seems to be really "dialed in" now. Ronin was right on all counts. Thank you again Ronin...this saved me a ton of time trying to find the right combo etc...I can't imagine trying anything else. This is the way to go. Thanks again!!
Final size/mod: 18x14mm 11g-replaced every other stock roller with 11g.
It took so little time, I was also able also to re-do my auxiliary driving light. The one I put on was kinda big...I got something a bit smaller but just as bright (50watt). The electrical system on the Agility is very robust as well. There is very little dimming at idle with all the lights on. The stock headlight is a bit weak in the design. High beam is ok but the low beam is too scattered. I put in a different bulb, but there was no difference. The driving light adds just the right amount of fill and when used with the high beam on real dark streets, makes a perfect match.
The Agility is one great little scoot.
Hope you guys are all doing great...have a great weekend.
Kris
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Baby is 125 cc, right?
53-58 seems kind of "low-ish" to me... Agility I have does 67-68 mph on a straight road. Did the new roller mod perhaps lower the top speed?
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Yes, the 125cc.
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@Kriden:
The new weight rollers don't affect the fuel consumption???
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Hello, from what I have read and so far experienced, the answer is no. When the carb is modified (bigger jet) that is when the fuel consumption starts to be effected. With the rollers, you can still go easy on the throttle and not have to avoid WOT (Wide Open Throttle) starts since the lighter rollers would make the belt move out faster etc.
I have done exhaust and carb mods on other scooters and the fuel consumption was drastically effected. From 80-90 MPH down to 65-75 MPH. With a one gallon (liter) tank, I didn’t want to have to do those types of mods to keep my range up.
But again, with this great mod that Ronin has suggested...all you are getting is smoother, a bit quicker, take-off. The only possible "sacrifice" would be a top end decrease, but I have not experienced any yet. I can keep up with traffic and feel very confident riding around town holding 40-55 mph with ease. On a downhill, I have hit 67 MPH and others on the site say that have hit as high as 72MPH.
A great scooter and when you factor in the price...it is the best ride out there in this price range (for the money).
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Thanks for your explanation. I use the scooter for deliveries, a smoother, quicker take-off is welcome... :)
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Today I have seen what seems to be top speed of my A125.
Indicated 117 km/h or 73 mph.
5 ft 11, 225 lbs, leaned completely forward and down... ;D ;)
OEM rollers and belt, 11.500 km on tacho.
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A125 has 12.150 km, so I took Sunday afternoon to do scheduled maintenance.
1. Changed oil, Selenia semi-synthetic.
2. Changed belt with Kymco OEM belt. The manual says to replace it when diameter is <19 mm, it was 18.6 so even though it had probably good 5-6000 kms in it, I decided to change it considering that everything was disassembled.
3. Changed weight rollers. They should be replaced when outside diameter is <17.4. It was more, but all rollers had a bit of flat spot so I decided to change them. I had 6x 18x14 14g rollers and 6x 18x14 11g, so I mixed them, 3x14g and 3x11g.
4. Tightened all nuts, bolts and screws
5. Cleaned and inspected variator, flywheel fan, clutch, blew out accumulated dust and shavings, everything is in great condition
6. I discovered that air filter can be washed in gasoline and it cleans everything just great! So, you can save on this one too. At first I thought the gasoline would destroy carboard-paper-whatever filter but it did not, just melted away accumulated black dust.
7. Washed thoroughly both A125 and 250S with mini-wash and hot water under pressure
End result?
Got rid of flat spot at around 60-65 km/h that is now at 40-45 km/h and lasts much less than before.
Top speed, believe it or not, indicated 120 km/h, or a few km/h more than before. Quite scary on 12" tires without wind protection. :) :) :)
There is a 17% hill on the way to my home that my gf could usually ride at around 65 km/h uphill. Now it goes 75 km/h and still accelerates.
It is a real beast now! :) :) :) :) :)
p.s. I did not test how it goes with all 6 18x14 11g roller weights because I did not have the will to disassemble everything once again. Also, putting the belt back on was a bit tricky.
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Here in Oz the factory weights are 13g, official word from the Kymco Importer. I tried 10g Dr Pulleys due to the wrong ones being sent to me, and it screamed like a 2 stroke, but slipped from 70-80kmh. Also lost some top end. I have now ordered some 12g Dr Pulleys and reckon they will be a good comprimise. I have refitted the 13g factory units while awaiting the 12s to arrive and it feels really slow around town. With the 10s I would race anything off the lights and was a ball to trhow around the corners around town, and I must admit I miss that already. Maybe on a really flat terrain the 10s would just get by, but with me on hills on the 20km trip each way, the slipping wasnt worth the hassle. My scoot has 3000km on the clock, and the belt is perfect so that wasnt the cause.
Holty
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I used to have 13g dr pulley 18x14 in my bike and it went like a dream and was soo much smoother than on standard weights, always appeared to be in the power band so overtaking got far easier. Shame they melted when my clutch exploded, I'd only had them a couple of weeks :(
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that sounds catastrophic! What Happened?
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So 11g is way to go.....
To replace all stock rollers.....?
Max speed for may agility is 62-65....now, need improvement for max speed around 70mph....
accel doesent really matter...
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I used to have 13g dr pulley 18x14 in my bike and it went like a dream and was soo much smoother than on standard weights, always appeared to be in the power band so overtaking got far easier. Shame they melted when my clutch exploded, I'd only had them a couple of weeks :(
.....dang....
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extreme dang, I nearly cried. I replaced my clutch for a new racing one as the old one was juddery and couldn't handle long motorway journeys (way very slippy afterwards) When I put the new clutch on and new torque spring on I forgot to put loctite on the flat nut, or torque it correctly (how stupid of me) I was excited to try it out. I then took it for a 40 miles ride, the flat nut came off so the clutch exploded to the outside of the clutch bell meaning it was permanently engaged so when I was sitting in traffic and had the brake on it was slipping in the bell. Extra force on the variator which heated up unbelievably, ruined the splines on the crank shaft, melted all the rollers so the plate was stuck out, belt caught on fire and was in a hundred pieces and then the nut came off the variator because it was so hot and all the metal bits in the rollers came out and destoryed what was left before a few came out the back of the variator cover :D really pleased. Got a second hand engine now but it runs poop, nothing like my old one. All I can say is loctite coat it on.
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My gf told me yesterday that her A125 after 2000 kms from my previous post with mixed roller weights goes 110 km/h+ uphill. (69 mph)
On a straight road it goes 120 km/h sitting upright. (75 mph)
I drove it personally max. 117 km/h or 73 mph, but that was with before stock belt and rollers and downhill.
Of course, all indicated by tacho, but I still think these numbers are quite impressive for 125cc 9 hp machine. >:)
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extreme dang, I nearly cried. I replaced my clutch for a new racing one as the old one was juddery and couldn't handle long motorway journeys (way very slippy afterwards) When I put the new clutch on and new torque spring on I forgot to put loctite on the flat nut, or torque it correctly (how stupid of me) I was excited to try it out. I then took it for a 40 miles ride, the flat nut came off so the clutch exploded to the outside of the clutch bell meaning it was permanently engaged so when I was sitting in traffic and had the brake on it was slipping in the bell. Extra force on the variator which heated up unbelievably, ruined the splines on the crank shaft, melted all the rollers so the plate was stuck out, belt caught on fire and was in a hundred pieces and then the nut came off the variator because it was so hot and all the metal bits in the rollers came out and destoryed what was left before a few came out the back of the variator cover :D really pleased. Got a second hand engine now but it runs poop, nothing like my old one. All I can say is loctite coat it on.
Loctite is just brand name, what exactly product of Loctite are you recommending?
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Loctite is just brand name, what exactly product of Loctite are you recommending?
...blue threadlocker...
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243 :) or 270 on stuff I'm never going to change again, but I never use that on my bike, only the car :)
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For the 250 (or P250S, same mechanicals there), the standard weight is 23x18 21G. I just installed mine into my P250 and I love the performance. No more dead spots.
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need more speed...115km/h!
could I order from ebay 18x14 16g and try mixing?
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Mixing the weights is never a good idea. You should only try mixing to find the best overall weight.
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Been running 10g weights for 2 months now and got to admit around town its a blast. Mono away form the lights easily, but top speed suffered. Seems happy to sit around 95kmh, so I have a set of 12G dr pulleys going in this Friday, as its Easter and have the day off so time for a little tweak. Will let you know how it goes with the new heavier rollers. Really around town I would leave the 10g weights in, but with a 20km haul each way at 100kmh required, I need more top end.
Holty
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That's good info! let us know how the Dr. Pulley's work out.
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Yes, let us know...
I just ordered 12g.....and sets of springs 1-1,5-2....going to do that in a month (Croatia delivery from ebay think is china)....
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Funny thing to note, when I fitted the Dr Pulley variator it made the whole bike smoother, but didnt seem to change the way it revved, pulled or top end at all. The seller was very specific that it was bigger and more top speed, but I honestly saw no change. Has anyone used the material Torque pads that come with these? I saw them as a take and never fitted them, but maybe I need to?
Just my 5 cents....
Holty
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Three things to look at. If you are refering to the v shaped wedges, they MUST be used. 2, the overrange pulley requires a longer belt due to the extra travel. The stock belt can only travel so far. 3, the sliders may be upside down in the var. Shaka described how to install them in a prior post. I hope 1 or all of these helps!
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I bought a set of 11g rollers that I was going to mix with the 14 gram stock weights (average 12.5g) however I have read on several tuning sites that mixing weights should be avoided. I just ordered a set of 12g 18x14 Dr.Pulley weights. I'll let everyone know how they do when they get here from China.
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