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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vivo on June 16, 2012, 08:46:21 AM
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When someone mentions chinese bikes, the immediate reaction would be "crap" or "piece of junk" and not even talking from experience. I've had experiences with chinese bikes and seem to have no complaints about them. How come? Was my chinese bike a good quality bike? The first problem I had was a broken speedo cable. Easy fix. That happened about one month after I got the bike. Then the carb plastic spacer/gasket broke after about 2 years then that's about that. The rest was fun riding. In our country, the only people who complain about chinese bikes are those who can afford the branded ones. The less fortunate who can only afford the chinese bikes and have no access to internet reviews praise them for durability, efficiency, and quality. Or maybe the importers here look for good factories there and strictly test and evaluate them. By the way, chinese bikes here get good after market services from dealers. There's a big market here, that's why they do this. In buying another bike/scoot, chinese made bikes are still on my list. In other countries, the U.S. especially, there are blogs condemning these bikes and dealers. I can't comment on this because I don't really know the truth behind.
Note: This post is not an indication that I like "chinese". This is only for discussion purposes.
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here's a forum largely devoted to chinese bikes. overall, they like them.
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi (http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi)
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Chinese bikes are condemned in the States because they are a dead end purchase -- there's virtually no service or parts available. Something goes wrong and you're stuck with the thing, especially if you are not a mechanical person. The first two scooters I considered where actually Chinese, one in particular was really nice, and I was going to buy it used for $500.00 dollars. The problems was it wouldn't start. I had the battery recharged, and still nothing. Worse was I couldn't get the panels off to get to the engine and spark plugs because the screws were stripped.
The second one I considered was from a shady garage/used-car dealer. The owner didn't have the title, or the keys. It was obviously stolen, so I walked away.
Another problems is getting them to pass inspection, and in some states they have been banned due to problems with the Vin numbers supplied by the manufactures in China:
http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=564901 (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=564901)
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I love the chinese scooters I have one that has best very good to me.the parts you can find all over the place. chinese scoot dealers are every wear here now. most parts are easy to find. I got over 40.000 miles on it and its my most dependable bike its a 03 and it out lasted my 07 kymco.yes there is some cheap ones out there and you get what you pay for so just take your time and study the scoot befor buying one you can find good ones.
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Ahh, welcome to Chinese Scootah store, you like this one, more bettah for you, Numbah One scootah, all time, too fast, too furious, GY6 run strong like bull, for you, won tousand dollar...
Ooh, no, so sorry, my manager, he review your application, you say no mechanical experience, this required, first thing, you not have this, cannot make sale for you, you buy only Honda, Suzuki, Vespa, no experience, you pay top dollah, oil change, 2 hundred dollah, guaranteed, air filtah, 2 hundred dollah, guaranteed, very nice for you.
Next time, you not come here, you wear pink polo shirt with pop collah, penny loafers no socks, Wayfarers on top of head, you all dressed up, nowhere to douche. You go see Vespa, tie sweater on neck, they have scootah for you, maybe $6000, they not sell to scruffy Scooterdawg in blue jeans and plaid shirt with sleeves tore off, no, very strict dress code, you make Vespa dealer whole family happy.
You go now.
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Ahh, welcome to Chinese Scootah store, you like this one, more bettah for you, Numbah One scootah, all time, too fast, too furious, GY6 run strong like bull, for you, won tousand dollar...
Ooh, no, so sorry, my manager, he review your application, you say no mechanical experience, this required, first thing, you not have this, cannot make sale for you, you buy only Honda, Suzuki, Vespa, no experience, you pay top dollah, oil change, 2 hundred dollah, guaranteed, air filtah, 2 hundred dollah, guaranteed, very nice for you.
Next time, you not come here, you wear pink polo shirt with pop collah, penny loafers no socks, Wayfarers on top of head, you all dressed up, nowhere to douche. You go see Vespa, tie sweater on neck, they have scootah for you, maybe $6000, they not sell to scruffy Scooterdawg in blue jeans and plaid shirt with sleeves tore off, no, very strict dress code, you make Vespa dealer whole family happy.
You go now.
Dude, that's just racist. Seriously, not funny.
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Get bent, Quimby, you're the one with no experience condemning Chinese scooters as inferior.
You almost bought a stolen one, yeah, you're an expert like the other guy trying to sell a scooter he couldn't start.
Maybe you should comment on something you know about, because it isn't Chinese scooters or racism.
You must know something about something. Or not.
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Part of the deal with Chinese scoots in the US is the cost of labor here. Even if one is only slightly more likely to need occasional work, getting that work done and arranging alternate transportation while it's done is expensive. That, coupled with our sprawled cities with poor transit systems makes having a vehicle out of commission a pain. Reliability is very important for any vehicle here. If you do your own work and have a second scoot, trying a Chinese make might make good sense here.
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Okay, my 2 cents...but may only be worth a penny. There seem to be some Chinese companies that are producing a decent scooter. CF MOTO comes to mind. The problem is that they have a sparse dealership network in the US. Also while there is a significant savings in initial purchase, I'm not sure that follow up expenses are also less. By the way, having tested a CF MOTO - it was a clone of the classic Honda Helix, it seemed mechanically sound and very comfortable. However, the fit of the panels was atrocious, and the control switches were flimsy. One final comment - Vespa has now outsourced much of their production to Chinese factories - most of their smaller cc scooters are being produced in China, but under Italian production guidelines and supervision. As with anything else, buy what you like, just be prepared for the consequences - heck I still remember the early 70's when no one would buy Japanese cars, and Japanese motorcycles were considered deathtraps.
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There's 50,000,000 Chinese scooters somewhere in the world today, some are still plodding on, others are sitting broken down, some are smashed to bits, and some are riding right and doing their job.
Up until 2008 the materials and workmanship caused many problems and helped perpetuate the myths and misconceptions associated with China scoots in general, but this was not the only issue.
Americans demanded high quality and low maintenance for a modest investment, and the customer base was unskilled and disinterested in developing a support strategy to keep the failures minimal and the reliability continual.
So a few hobbyists applied their talents learned on other machines and soon found the GY6 engine, which was invented by the Kwang Yang Motor Company for Honda, was a study in efficiency and simplicity, and could be supported anywhere in the world by relatively unskilled mechanics.
In 2008 the gas prices spurred interest in cheap scooters so the Chinese factories went into overtime, and boatloads of shipping containers full of new scooters arrived only to be met with scorn and derision due to the 2002-2007 era, before the engineers had fine tuned the manufacturing process to make better scooters cheaper and faster.
The Chinese build fighter jets and satellites and submarines and entire cities, you think they're still cobbling together junk to try to compete in the marketplace? No, they're trying to take over the marketplace, and you can't do that with junk.
From 2008-2012, the fitment was still lacking, and parts supply was still erratic, but the product improvement was dramatic, and the engines and performance were not in the same class at all as the older models. Custom and special parts became a new facet of the supply line, but there still lingers a stigma of unreliability that is only explained on the end user side.
When you buy a Chinese scoot, it is yours alone, and you are responsible for performance and maintenance, so you must be familiar and adept at diagnosis and repair, and if you don't know, no one is willing to do it for you.
By this date, the China scoot forums have a data base that covers all aspects of techniques and procedure, but it is voluminous and must be studied in its entirety to have a working knowledge of the GY6.
People go to college for years and research inconsequentia ad infinitum, but they are unwilling to take personal responsibility for a vehicle they depend on, and then are crestfallen when mechanics who work on expensive, complicated machines decline to accept such a simple repair as whatever may be wrong with the China scoot.
They are easy to work on, parts are cheap and plentiful, if you can't find a part, just buy another scooter, and you'll have all the parts.
I have been flogging and bashing Chinese scooters for 5 years, expecting them to be disposable, or at the very least replacable, and I can't get rid of them. The just keep choogling on.
It starts to rattle, makes a funny sound, something fell off, you fix it, tape it, glue it, weld it with zip ties, put a new carb, variator, belt, shock, and the damn thing won't die.
WHY WON'T YOU DIE, DAMN YOU I HATE YOUR CHINESE ASS!
Not really, I'm sorry, come here my little China doll, aw, you're so sweet, who loves ya, baby? That's right, your Big Daddy, come on let's change your oil, I got some fresh 20w50 and a couple shots of GTX synthetic, and then I'll rub you down with some nice Armorall, would you like that?
I love you, my China Doll.
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Get bent, Quimby, you're the one with no experience condemning Chinese scooters as inferior.
You almost bought a stolen one, yeah, you're an expert like the other guy trying to sell a scooter he couldn't start.
Maybe you should comment on something you know about, because it isn't Chinese scooters or racism.
You must know something about something. Or not.
All right, I'll try and speak in simple words, or use sock puppets so you'll understand. Feel free to take a bathroom break if this gets too hard to follow or hold your mommy's hand to help you over the hard parts.
1) Never did condemn Chinese scooters. I commented on why they are frowned upon in the US. I've seen some nice scooters from China, particularly the TNG brand and CMSI, Inc. And just for the record your sentence 'you're the one with no experience condemning Chinese scooters as inferior' doesn't make any sense. Are you saying you'd repect my comment if I had experience condemning Chinese scooters?
2) I didn't almost buy a stolen one. I found a classified ad, went to inquire about it, and once I realized it was stolen I walked away. In other words I did the intelligent thing. And yes I know something about Chinese scooters, and why they are difficult to own in the US. That's why I posted my comment. I have no malice or bias against them. This morning a former student of mine asked about how to fix his own chinese scooter -- a bad brake, and I connected him to members of Philadelphia's local scooter club for help. When his bike is fixed we're planning on a group ride.
3) And yes, I now TONS about racism. I've kicked the crap out of every person who's ever called me the N-word in my life. I live with racism everyday, and I find it personally disgusting. What you posted was just that -- RACIST. If you're pissed off cause I called you on it, than it sucks to be you. I liked to think that you're an adult and you know the difference between right and wrong. What you posted was wrong and offensive to any one who is Chinese or Asian. Grow up and realize there are other people and cultures in this world.
4) And the name's not Quimby.
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So far it's not me in the middle of an argument, oh wait, I haven't commented here yet.
Scooterwolf, I found myself agreeing with, from what I know of Chinese cars and trucks they don't do well in accidents, matter of fact they fall apart compared with western cars.
Now I have to disagree with you on what CE said, I thought his/her little joke with the heavy Asian accent was spot on funny.
I don't know where CE is from but I do know in some cultures referring to someone by their nation of origin is common and a well established practice. In Peru SA they had a President that was of Japanese origins, they referred to him as Chi-na, They refer to friends from the jungles or of American Indian background as Cholo's and everyone knows it's a term of affection, if a friend is black they will call him Negrito or Negrita if it's a girl.
We in the States can learn something from this affectionate name calling. Ever watch the show "All in the family"? Archie called everyone by their respective background, Mick, Kruat, Frog, Spic, Jew, Limey, etc...and it really meant nothing, some much nothing that a couple of years later they started a show called the Jefferson’s, based on a black family that made it "on up". Mr. George Jefferson said every off color thing you could think of about not only Archie but about the Honky in general.
I not only watched the show but loved it, we get too wrapped up today in sensitivities, we need to relax and admit that some things about us are just true. When someone make s a joke about Germans (Where my father’s family is from) I recognize the traits in my family and laugh. When they make dumb American jokes I admit the honest truth about most of America and laugh.
Lighten up my friends, lighten up.
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lol I love you, my China Doll...........and you go cf moto....If I was to buy another scoot it would be another cf moto...............
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Well, Professor Scooterworm, I said you had no experience with Chinese scooters, but you now have plenty of experience denigrating them with hearsay and innuendo.
I, on the other hand, am an expert, and offered my opinion to reassure anyone with any ability and a thousand dollars, to order one online and have it delivered in a box to their home. Any issues would be easily remedied with a little application of common sense and American ingenuity.
As for your racist tirade, I'll have you know I am also an expert on that subject as well.
You see, I'm half French, and half Mexican, and in 1965 we returned to the USA from 2 years in the Azores to Andrews AFB in Mary Land.
At that time it was difficult to rent a house, my father being a Mexican with 7 kids and a pregnant wife. The ads in the paper would say 'No Negro or military'.
WTF, no military?
Sure enough, we found a house in a black neighborhood, and I went to junior high 100 yards from the DC line, at Maryland Park Junior High School, which was virtually all black, except for the teachers.
I did the best I could to fit in, I listened to soul music on WOL, I wanted to wear Chucks and Chinos like everybody else, but my mom still dressed me funny, in hand me down clothes from the PX. I did wear a pair of blue suede shoes like nobody even seen before.
One day a girl let her curiosity about my dark skin and black hair get the best of her, and she felt my hair, admiring how straight and shiny it was, and she asked, 'What kinda nigger is you, you put something on there, make it so straight?'
Well, I knew I was some kinda nigger, because I wasn't no white boy, so I just said, I'm a Mexican, you know, like, from Mexico.
And all the other girls giggled and started doing a Mexican hat dance like I was Speedy Gonzales in a big old sombrero and a serape.
But it didn't bother me none, I was now a straight haired soul brother, and from Mexico, to boot.
You need to just be an American, ain't nothin' to it but to do it.
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Clap, clap, clap ... so since you know what it's like to be racially denigrated, why are you doing it to others? That's just sad.
And again -- where have I put down Chinese scooters? I'll state it again -- Many people find Chinese scooters in the US are difficult to
find service and parts. That's one reason why they are not looked at favorable, even though there are good models. It's difficult to find
a reliable dealership with a known brand scooter. Finding support for Chinese scooters (currently) is even harder. These are facts.
Don't see how this is hearsay or an innuendo:
http://www.scooterfocus.com/chinese_scooters.html (http://www.scooterfocus.com/chinese_scooters.html)
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This is the funniest post I have ever read here! Ce comes out swinging for the fences/Wolf takes a few to the ribs/Ce takes a step back looking at the clock/Wolf hit him with a Furious nut shot/Ce staggers/Ce gets a twinkle in his eye as Wolf tels the whole world he is an ander cover black due riding a Non Stolen scooter (Maybe the Only black dude on a legit scoot)/008 tries to jump in, abd sve them from each other, and I chime in with how F'n retarded are all of you. You ALL ride China made scooters! Kymco puts their name on it.
Once again I have to apologize to the retards... I meant "Little People"
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Boyeeee, get on outta here, with your ol' 'blacker than thou' sanctimonious bigotry, I done told you you ain't got no soul, you a damn oreo, black on the outside and white in the middle, talkin' all that stuff like 'seriously, are you seriously serious to have such insensitivity that you would call a white man a cracker, and a white man with a tan, a Graham cracker?
Get hip, my Negro, we all outta racism here, ain't nobody here but us chickens.
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My bad Sugar! Sorry bout the pannty stains... Keep on riding those Commie scoots.
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Any of you around the north NJ/NYC area? This would make great talk over lunch and a drink, I'll buy.
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Raised in Yonkers/South Bronx... Thanks but I'll pass. Maybe you would want to come down to Carrabelle for the Labor day week? It;'s a little different than Anywhere else on the planet... But it's all good.
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Raised in Yonkers/South Bronx... Thanks but I'll pass. Maybe you would want to come down to Carrabelle for the Labor day week? It;'s a little different than Anywhere else on the planet... But it's all good.
I'dlove to join you but will working that week and having BBQ in my backyard on labor day with family and a few close friends.
(Close friends) = those that understand me without question to my thoughts or motives, took a long time to condition them.
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So should I bring a guest? What time? Do we HAVE to leave? Are drugs ok, or is it one of Those parties? Where did you get those cool slippers?
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..seems i missed a helluva lot on this thread...
..oh, mother of god...
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Wolf split... I like Wolf.
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..well, that sucks...
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Go back and read it. Awesome! Well worth it.
+ 1 ce :D :D :D Maybe slightly racist, but making fun of each other is fun.
$500 for a scooter that doesn't run. Sounds like a rip off for sure.
Just because there is no title or keys for a scooter doesn't mean it's stolen. Much higher chance, yes. Here in NC scooters are not sold with titles. Only a Certificate of origin and most of the time it never sees 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ect... owners.
I find your argument of the screws being stripped because it's Chinese ridiculous. All screws can be stripped. And if you're stuck because of a stripped screw than good luck.
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Wolf is loading a gun while googleing Ce's address. This will be Epic!
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This is the funniest post I have ever read here! Ce comes out swinging for the fences/Wolf takes a few to the ribs/Ce takes a step back looking at the clock/Wolf hit him with a Furious nut shot/Ce staggers/Ce gets a twinkle in his eye as Wolf tels the whole world he is an ander cover black due riding a Non Stolen scooter (Maybe the Only black dude on a legit scoot)/008 tries to jump in, abd sve them from each other, and I chime in with how F'n retarded are all of you. You ALL ride China made scooters! Kymco puts their name on it.
Once again I have to apologize to the retards... I meant "Little People"
Almost as good as the Zombie - Axy prizefight..................almost!
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I still have a slight limp, and one eye is a little smaller that it was before the fight... Axy has a pretty mean hammer fist. His weakness is the inside leg kick. He flinches when he sees it load up. Took 35-40 rounds for me to notice it but Man oh man can that boy take a beating. I started to think he may be Irish!
Wolf on the other hand just threw in the towel, and fell under the top rope, and over the bottom rope.
600lbs Sumo Vs 169lbs MMA Fighter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS1zh45Fts#ws)
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Just some good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm
Beats all you ever saw
They been in trouble with the law
Since the day they were born
Yeee-haw!
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I new you woulden be to far behind with a video zombie.
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So should I bring a guest? What time? Do we HAVE to leave? Are drugs ok, or is it one of Those parties? Where did you get those cool slippers?
You can bring a guest, 2 pm or so, yes you have to leave, drugs are not OK it is one of those parties it is a BBQ, the cool slippers came from my wife so you'll have to ask her.
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Didn't mean to imply that a Chinese scooter was bad because the screws were stripped. The owner had ordered it from a kit for $500 dollars and it was assembled. My guess was it could have been stripped when it was put together, or maybe it was rusted shut since it was left outside for about a year.
Anyway a friend of mine who's been riding bikes since he was 12 looked at it with me and we both gave up, even after using a can of Nuts-Off couldn't get the panel screw to loosen. It's a shame because it was a nice scooter.
CE -- are you referring to me as a Oreo? Seriously. So if I'm Black I can't be intelligent? And if I am it's because I'm not really Black? All right, just have to accept you as you are, but get out and meet more people with out preconceived assumptions. But just so you know -- if you had said that to my face (or any Black man's) I'd bash your teeth in and curb-stomp your ass. I haven't said one racist thing to you. You're the one dropping the R-bombs.
If the Oreo comment wasn't meant for me -- disregard the above.
Yeah, I grew up on All in the Family, but still felt insulted by Archie Bunker's views, which pretty much represented the American racist/ignorant mindset that acted as a social mirror. Sure it was funny, but ... just not a fan of bigotry, even if it tries to come across as comedy. I know CE was trying to be funny, but I didn't see it that way -- I think he went too far. If I see something racist I'm not going to help it along its way.
That's just me.
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All i really know about chinese scooters is theyre made in china. From people i know who had one tjey all said the electrics were not great and they had some minor issues with that. Rust was also a problem on the painted and metal parts. I know a guy with a 2011 chinese scoot at work, his front forks look terrible as does the exposed parts of the frame. Comparedcto my 2008 Agility it looks a lot older and more rough than mine, which still looks reasonably new. This could just be down to our wetter climate here, but my A50 still looks good and has stood up a hell of a lot better in 4.5yrs than his did in 1.5yrs.
Given that chinese parts are of less quality than brandname parts i would assume that chinese scoots made from these parts would be less quality than brandname scoots built from brandname parts? But again thats just an assumption. I reckon for the price, if you want a brand new scoot and wont be using it everyday on in the wet then its not too bad, if you dont mind working on it yourself and keeping on top of it.
On the other thing......... WTF is going on here lately? Is there something in the water? Or is the moon aligned with mars or something? Recently theres been a lot of bad blood and arguements over stupid sh**, its not good. I cant stand racism either and in the real world always call it out if i see or hear it. Personally i wasnt offended by CE's remarks as im not chinese, if i was then i prob may be. I dont think he was intending to sound racist but i guess it could come across that way to some.
They always say dont talk politics, religion or race unless you want an arguement, guess its true. Funny thing is 08's been posting more "dividing" topics now for weeks and then an arguement about racism blows up out of a thread about chinese scoots?
"Dont hate nothin', except hatred" - B.Dylan.
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(or any Black man's) I'd bash your teeth in and curb-stomp your ass. I haven't said one racist thing to you. You're the one dropping the R-bombs.
If the Oreo comment wasn't meant for me -- disregard the above.
Yeah, I grew up on All in the Family, but still felt insulted by Archie Bunker's views, which pretty much represented the American racist/ignorant mindset that acted as a social mirror. Sure it was funny, but ... just not a fan of bigotry, even if it tries to come across as comedy. I know CE was trying to be funny, but I didn't see it that way -- I think he went too far. If I see something racist I'm not going to help it along its way.
That's just me.
Wolf, why all the violence, it helps add to the misconceptions of the angry black man.
Why didn't you point out the Jefferson’s remarks as being as bad as Archie’s, these guys were one in the same, just not the same color. Part of what makes you, you and me, me is our personalities and what helped us developed these personality traits.
Some people say (including myself) that some others are too thin skinned, I have to remind myself that this is part of what makes us different and makes the world a wonderful place.
I'm not happy about some people condemning me for the fact that I look white (which I mostly am) but it happens, I correct it as I come across it but not by slamming each and every MF into the ground. Try reaching out to them and explain where your coming from, you know that old American Indian proverb of walking a mile in the other mans moccasins before you judge him. We can all learn a thing or two from that.
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You're right, 08 -- never meant to come across as the angry Black man, but some words are just fighting words. Grew up being called that (Oreo) and a lot worse, so old pains die hard. If anyone wants an angry Black man -- just say those words. Other than that, and I'm cool.
And you're correct, the Jeffersons (least George) were no different than All in the Family. I was replying to an earlier post, and so was only thinking of Archie Bunker at the moment.
It was never my intention to make this into a racial flame war, but I found CE's remarks offensive. I've lived on the East coast and the West -- Oakland and LA, and have a number of really good friends who are Asian, so I found the remark hurtful, especially when I know that's the kind of crap they get from people making fun of their culture. One of my recent senior graduates is from the Philippines, who I have a tremendous amount of respect for as he's one of the nicest guys I know who would literally give you the shirt off his back if need be. Another Asian student, who is Chinese, allowed me to use her senior thesis film in a half-hour TV show that I produce. If anything I was thinking of them and many others when I read CE's remark.
So I've said my peace. Sorry if I've made waves and took away the integrity of this thread. I won't reply to anymore responses on my comments about race. CE -- fire away if you want to get anything more off your chest, but for now ... I return you to your normal scheduled scooter discussions :) .
-Wolf
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Wolf I'm glad you’re here, for once it's you being toasted and not me! :D
For what it's worth (I'll fall back on this in the future) my best friend is PR (Puerto Rican for those of you not in the know), and we refer to one another by our backgrounds, he's in Ca. USA and I'm in NJ, when he calls me it's "Hey white man" and I reply, "Portable Rican, pack em up and their ready to go". (his family moved allot).
But he and I would and have done anything for each other over the years, I think anyone with half an oz. of sense knows that race does not matter when it comes to heart and value of character.
Just as many people will judge a country or race as being better then another, "The US is best cause we have 2 cars in every garage". much can be said for countries or civilizations that don't exploited their natural resources life most of Africa or the American Indians, who is to say what is really the best?
Comments will be made but I've not found anyone here to be vindictive with their intent. As for scoots and most things in life you tend to get what you pay for, and if your scoot costs half the price of the other guys most likely it's lacking is some quality.
Peace and love to everyone, this Fathers day thing has got me in a good mode today.
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(Close friends) = those that understand me without question to my thoughts or motives, took a long time to condition them.
Close friends - those who just listen because they don't know what crap you're talking about...
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back to topic.....
Now, its a bit clearer, If you no nothing about scoots, get a Honda or Yamaha, if you're an expert on scoots, get Chinese, a box of tools and a roll of duct tape.
@Ce--- you're right in saying these scoots will never, never die. I traded my old chinese bike with a mixed labrador, and the new owner loves the bike.
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I thought Ce was calling ME an Oreo. Couldn't figure why but who cares. That would have been my special "first time".
Jaw stomping, teeth breaking, Wolf man! WOW! Who woulda thought! I figured you were an elderly French guy. Since there are no french brothers I never thought you would be black!! That's the coolest social part of the forum in my opinion. The fact that we all speak the same basic language, and have NO CLUE who we are talking to (for the most part). So far I have never even thought about anyones race here. You all know I am an American born Irish lesbian only because I am open about myself here but this sh** is stupid. Now I'm gonna start dis liking people because some of you may be from India! Damn those jerked goat eating people. And those other funny colored people form other places They all suck too. Now see there! I lost all my forum friends because wolf is black WTF!
008... I'll be there at 12:00. I'm not leaving either. You can take the couch.
ps... Get me a bong.
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Black, born in Upstate New York, and lived all over the country. You know the rest -- messed with the mob, pretty girl, and a price on my head. In the Witness Protection Program in S. Jersey across the river from Philly ;)
-Wolf
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Black, born in Upstate New York, and lived all over the country. You know the rest -- messed with the mob, pretty girl, and a price on my head. In the Witness Protection Program in S. Jersey across the river from Philly ;)
-Wolf
How farupstate we talking? I've got family in and around Liberty NY. Coming from upstate how black can you be??:)
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Albany. Years later lived in Syracuse where i graduated from high school.
-Wolf
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pssst....
zombie is chinese.....
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Black, born in Upstate New York, and lived all over the country. You know the rest -- messed with the mob, pretty girl, and a price on my head. In the Witness Protection Program in S. Jersey across the river from Philly ;)
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I was in the "Jehova Witness Protection" program myself for about 27 minutes before they found me... Never trust whitey Bro! ;)
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Never trust whitey Bro! Wink
Yup, they're too "nice" to be true... ;D
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Like southern hospitality... Good luck with that one too.
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Back to Chinese bikes!
Passed by a dealer earlier. This 155 water-cooled motard really is very tempting at 65,000 pesos
(around $1,500.00)
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu274/CycleNuB/Motorstar%20at%20Trinoma%2020110723/DSCF0833a.jpg)
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It is enticing but I've beaten the tar out of some dirt bikes. I can't see that one lasting thru a day.
I'd get a ten year old Maico, or KTM before a new china dirt bike.
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Yeah... I just looked back at the bike. It would be a pile of crappy pieces in an hour.
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It is enticing but I've beaten the tar out of some dirt bikes. I can't see that one lasting thru a day.
I'd get a ten year old Maico, or KTM before a new china dirt bike.
I think its meant for daily commuting in "style"... ;D ;D ;D
I've seen some on the road and it's fast though. It's a notch up from a 125 or 150 underbone for less the price.
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Get a kz400
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Other-Kawasaki-KZ400-Cafe-Racer-custom-sheet-metal-/170859005751?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item27c7fd8737 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Other-Kawasaki-KZ400-Cafe-Racer-custom-sheet-metal-/170859005751?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item27c7fd8737)
Buy one for 200.00 used, put 700.00 into it, and buy your wife a new scooter with the rest.
That's a bad a$$ looking bike!
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:o :o :o
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1968 Zundapp 250cc ISDT enduro 3o hp 2stroke 14in of fork travel! BOOM
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That's just plain awesome, Vivo, I'll bet it'll do 130 kilometers an hour right outta the box. You should get it, it's got way sick modern style.
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That's just plain awesome, Vivo, I'll bet it'll do 130 kilometers an hour right outta the box. You should get it, it's got way sick modern style.
Yup! I still need to read reviews in our local motorcycle forums about this new bike. A lot of chinese scoots/bikes here get good reviews. Two most common problems of Chinese bikes are: yellowing of headlight lens, tail light lens and instrumentation/gauge clear lens and rust because of poor quality chrome and paint. Build quality and engine/engine performance are not problem areas. They even beat hondas an yamahas on the track or come a close second.
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My introduction to scooters was a Chinese 150cc bought on the Internet for $999 delivered (RoadRunner Classic). I bought it because my two kids were home for the summer, each had jobs for which they needed a car, and since my wife needed a car to get to her job, all three cars I owned were now spoken for, and I didn't feel like buying (and insuring) a fourth car just for those few months. So I bought this little orange beauty hoping it would just get me back and forth to my job for the summer. The most I'd be out would be a grand, right?
Well, things worked out somewhat unexpectedly. The first unexpected thing was that I found I really enjoyed scooting! Going to work (about 6 miles each way) was now a joy rather than a chore. I found I started using my scooter whenever I could, even if a car was available. The RoadRunner made it through the summer (1400 miles) just fine and at 90 mpg, I felt I was actually saving some money. So I kept it for the next four years (and 4400 miles) even though after that first summer I really didn't need to anymore.
Now as far as the quality of the scooter: Over the next four years, a number of "issues" did come up: Twice the key-module just broke (the metal was like buttery-tin) and had to be replaced. In year two the entire exhaust system (pipes and muffler) rusted out and had to be replaced. The spring/cable that opened the seat didn't work right until it was modified. The front brake master cylinder started leaking and the whole front disk brake had to be replaced. Plus the fuel gauge was never reliable and there was also a small oil leak (just a few drops after the bike was parked) that was annoying but never really caused a problem. Also a small leak in the rear tire made me have to top it off every week or so.
I wasn't able to find a mechanic that was willing to work on this scooter (this is Rochester, Minnesota) so I had to learn to fix all this stuff myself. That was the down side. On the up side, the scooter was actually pretty easy to open up and work on and it was easy to find parts for it on the Internet -- even body panels. And even better, the parts were unbelievably cheap (which was probably why they failed so quickly in the first place). An entire exhaust system for $85? An entire front brake system (disk, caliper, master cylinder, brake handle and cable ) for under $100? Crazy!
So I spent a fair amount of time (and a little bit of money) keeping the thing running for four years but developed a love for scooting and a feel for the mechanics of scooters and how they work. I also realized I wanted something a little higher-end. Something I'd feel comfortable cruising at highway speeds (this thing topped out at about 55 mph). I ended up selling the RoadRunner this spring for $600 and ended up buying a People GTi 300 which so far I'm very happy with. Now the Kymco is just in an entirely different category as far as quality compared to the RoadRunner -- but it should be, as it costs 6 times as much. I'm pretty confident I'm not going to have the mechanical problems I had with the RoadRunner. However, in retrospect, that little Chinese scooter really only cost me about $700 (given the original price, plus the cost of replacement parts minus what I sold it for) for four years and 4400 miles of pretty fun riding. Given what I saved in gas and the wear-and-tear saved on my cars, I feel it was money well spent.
And that's pretty much what it comes down to in the end.
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Great story Kent! Thank you very much for sharing! My Chinese bike had more than 10,000 miles before the big 15-foot flood in 2009 came. The flood was not water but muddy water. After the flood. I just sprayed water on the bike and placed it at the backyard without any roof. I was planning to fix it but after three (3) years out the yard (the dog chewed all fenders and weed vines grew on it), I decided to give it away (traded with another dog). Two days after the new owner got it, I saw the bike running fine. Damn, I asked the new owner how was that possible after 3 years at my backyard with all the elements. He said he just bought a brand new carb (very cheap), new dynamo/stator (also very cheap), changed the oil and a small can of wd-40. I bought that bike for $500 brand new (original price was $800). Sale price because it had a small scratch on the side and duct tape stain on the seat.
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I like very much Chinese scooters and it is best also. All the part of scooters you can find all over place. Dealers of scooters are every where now and also most of part are easily to find. There are some cheap ones out there and you get what you acquire so simply take some time and study the scoot before shopping for one you'll be able to notice smart ones.
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I know of three individuals with chinese scoots. They have had no problems with them. They ordered them from the internet and had them drop shipped to their homes.
Then I know other people to whom the scoots are money pits.
My local scooter shop will work on all brands and they do a really good job of fixing them.
One particular individual brought in a trike-ish scooter of chinese manufacture. It needed parts. When they contacted the importer they were told in order to get the parts needed they had to buy 3 scoots and become a dealer.
So the scooter left on a trailer and will probably become the backyard home for weeds and furry varmints.
Don in KC.
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See? :D
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I love my chinese scooter its just to bad I cant get my kymco to go 50 easy.with the frist 1/4 of a mile im doing 40 easy 60 down hill and dame is it funn when you pass a car and say ha ha ha you just got passed by a scooter.
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my friend's chinese scooter.... just sew them up after a crash and you're good to go again... ;D ;D ;D
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/castandiello77/2012-07-11083240.jpg?t=1342058305)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/castandiello77/2012-07-11083247.jpg?t=1342008720)
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For a neat trick... Stretch a polyester "t" shirt across the whole panel. Soak it with Poly Resin, and set it in the sun for 30 minutes. Trim, and new panel. Easy breasy.
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Japanesey ;D
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I see london, I see france, I see your mom...
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I see london, I see france, I see your mom...
........do a titty dance?
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No I mean I see her... Tuesday, and Thursday.
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no matter how bad you crash theam up the motor keeps running. my chinese has over 40.000 miles
and my kymco has 30 mmmmm I thing the chinese wins.
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Probably because you never worked on it blue ;) :D Joking, joking... You're alright blue :)
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Yeah! Me too! I'm joking too! Yeah... +1
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..ran my 08 a50 over 50,000 MILES before i had an engine failure...
..and I ran th fuk outta those miles!!...
:o
..lets see any chinese scoot compare to that...
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Probably because you never worked on it blue ;) :D Joking, joking... You're alright blue :)
your right.....that scoot belongs to the wife so I dont want her on my ass so I leave it alone........
plus if I do I can find parts for it close by.
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6xxcjG9Vh1r0wqrdo1_500.jpg)
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:D
That is awesome
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Yeah, if you're so worried about yer scuuter breakin' down, yeah, just carry a spare.
Yeah.
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No Fear... Love it!
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Yeah, if you're so worried about yer scuuter breakin' down, yeah, just carry a spare.
...lmmfao!!
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You're home early ! Or is this work???
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..sssshh...
...still at work......
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:D ;)
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Yeah, if you're so worried about yer scuuter breakin' down, yeah, just carry a spare.
...lmmfao!!
OK, just carry a spare........
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Have not read all thread but I have owned and even imported chinese 125cc underbone myself. They don't have the detail quality as jap. or italian scooters but.. they are worth the money and their bad reputation comes from people/dealers who sells far more expensive bikes. If you want a small bike to drive to work or just for fun, they are ok. Have only positive things to say about them. My XC 500 are similar but better.. I can see they are similar in many ways but if you look closely you see it's not made in jap./italy. Have owned Aprilia Scarabeo 500 and Gilera Nexus 500. The Nexus was more sporty and fast, very fast. Kymco are more chinese but are so smooth. My other CH bikes where also smooth as silk. I love them and I can only recommend them if you want a simple reliable bike to get from a-b on.
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Have not read all thread but I have owned and even imported chinese 125cc underbone myself. They don't have the detail quality as jap. or italian scooters but.. they are worth the money and their bad reputation comes from people/dealers who sells far more expensive bikes. If you want a small bike to drive to work or just for fun, they are ok. Have only positive things to say about them. My XC 500 are similar but better.. I can see they are similar in many ways but if you look closely you see it's not made in jap./italy. Have owned Aprilia Scarabeo 500 and Gilera Nexus 500. The Nexus was more sporty and fast, very fast. Kymco are more chinese but are so smooth. My other CH bikes where also smooth as silk. I love them and I can only recommend them if you want a simple reliable bike to get from a-b on.
See? :)
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Frame construction, weldings, detail quality, how they install hoses and electrical.
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Welding on a Chinese Honda Cub clone I once had.
(http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/dlstewart01/002-8.jpg)
Welding on front fork or lack of welding compared to a real Honda fork.
(http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/dlstewart01/003-2.jpg)