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Scooters - Big Bore => Xciting 500 => Topic started by: Syl on August 03, 2012, 09:43:30 PM
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I have approximately 1825 miles on my 500 RI and I filled up and went for a 102 mile ride today at all highway speeds 40-55 mph. When I got back I put in 2.264 gallon in and was shocked on the mileage.... This figured out to be 45.053003 mpg...that's terrible. I use 93 octane since new. I haven't looked at other mileages on here of the 500's and now I think I will. I always thought I may be getting 55 mpg or so but I am surely all wet and very disappointed.
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Hi Syl,
I get about the same mileage using 91 octane in the Phoenix area. I filled up today with 89 octane to see if that gets better mileage. My experience with high octane fuels is that they burn much quicker for the power you get. I also ride at speeds in excess of 70 as our speed limits are 65-75MPH here. Most of my riding is on the highway and for 15-20 mile jaunts.
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Another octane/mileage thread...
45 mpg is 5.2 l/100 km. This is 5 % less than consumption of my People 250S on highway.
Why some people think that 500 cc scooter with 35-40 hp should run on thin air - beats me.
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Another octane/mileage thread...
45 mpg is 5.2 l/100 km. This is 5 % less than consumption of my People 250S on highway.
Why some people think that 500 cc scooter with 35-40 hp should run on thin air - beats me.
+1 Axy
you cant ride a 500cc and expect to go forever on one tank, if you want to do that then get a agility 125
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Another octane/mileage thread...
45 mpg is 5.2 l/100 km. This is 5 % less than consumption of my People 250S on highway.
Why some people think that 500 cc scooter with 35-40 hp should run on thin air - beats me.
That's actually about average for a FI xciting 500, and the carbed versions can be somewhat worse.
It's very hard to get over 50mpg out of the XC500 without any CVT mods.
The thing is, the XC500 is well known for it's low MPG figures, but some people don't read up before they buy.
:(
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"Some people don't read up before they by", but than there are people that tend to know everything and come out and sort of remark to others about it. I didn't read up to find out if one can talk about his circumstances etc. here knowing it is a Forum to help people that aren't as knowledgeable as the ones that think they are. Sometimes it's best to contact people by E-Mail instead of waiting for a strong remarks here.
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Sure.
But every single review out there, fuelly.com users and a lot of threads related to that subject
are all sources of information that are easy to find to someone concerned about stuff like this.
Can't really be pissed on the bike for it's poor MPG figures.. only on yourself, if you bought something
that you're not happy with, just because you didn't do your homework.
Been there, done that, sad to say.
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People make assumptions of what people say such as "pissed" that is really sad that such mentality takes over ones judgement to ridicule others. I am neither "pissed" or sorry for not knowing everything you do.....I regret to say, intelligence, you fall short of.
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So instead, I just fill up the tank and roll on! Love the bike regardless and would not have gone to a smaller CC'd engine. ;D
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"Ditto", as I have done now for 1850 miles! I wouldn't own anything else. I wish my taxes were lower too, but nothing can be done about it!
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"Ditto", as I have done now for 1850 miles! I wouldn't own anything else. I wish my taxes were lower too, but nothing can be done about it!
My income is taxed with more than 50 %, so "don't worry be happy".
No matter what your income tax rate is, it is lower than mine.
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Axy, where are you located?
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He's in the Democratic People's Republic of Croatiastan, it's a Worker's Paradise, where they get taxed for the oxygen they consume, and the carbon dioxide they produce, and with whatever's left they can by $10 a gallon gasoline.
But the wimmin are hott, and they swim nekkid in the Danube, so they got that going for them.
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Thanks!
It is a nice historical part of the world. One of my bucket list destinations.
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He's in the Democratic People's Republic of Croatiastan, it's a Worker's Paradise, where they get taxed for the oxygen they consume, and the carbon dioxide they produce, and with whatever's left they can by $10 a gallon gasoline.
It is actually 7 US$/gallon.
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No worries Axy... We are headed for those fuel prices. More than likely after the summer months and towards November when the US of A goes into a nasty all hands down recession.
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He's in the Democratic People's Republic of Croatiastan, it's a Worker's Paradise, where they get taxed for the oxygen they consume, and the carbon dioxide they produce, and with whatever's left they can by $10 a gallon gasoline.
But the wimmin are hott, and they swim nekkid in the Danube, so they got that going for them.
I always wanted to see the Danube. Now I know where to see it from :-)
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I have always wanted to goto Croatia on my bucket list too. I just bought used new to me 2009 500i 114 miles on two gallons of super from Circle K. This time I am on that hopped up vpower shell nitrogen "Super unicorn piss!" I will report back with my findings.
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I always wanted to see the Danube. Now I know where to see it from :-)
Actually, only 4 % of Danube flows through Croatia on its far east, maybe 100 kms or so. It even constitutes a part of border with Serbia.
It seems that people like to come here because 15 % of our GDP comes from tourism. :)
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I have a 07 carbie. Get about an even 50MPG riding two up at 60MPH. 53-57MPG solo at 60 mph. Stock carb, stock variator. :) ;) :D ;D :o :-*
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+1 Axy
you cant ride a 500cc and expect to go forever on one tank, if you want to do that then get a agility 125
... or stay home...
I got a scoot because it consumes less than a car...
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... or stay home...
I got a scoot because it consumes less than a car...
There's a lot of cars that consume less fuel then the XC500, even some fast ones. ;D
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I always wanted to see the Danube. Now I know where to see it from :-)
https://picasaweb.google.com/105893937491000655510/TheErdutFortress#5178463572445733762
https://picasaweb.google.com/105893937491000655510/1772011NoviSad#5630353602956086962
https://picasaweb.google.com/105893937491000655510/DravaDunav2009#5354986524171342882
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There's a lot of cars that consume less fuel then the XC500, even some fast ones. ;D
oh.... I was referring to my scoot, it gets 90+ mpg... My car 36mpg, the other is 28mpg. ;D
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Highest mileage car in USA (not being a piece of crap battery dieing hi-bred) is about 41-42 MPG. Think your saving $ with hi-bred! Wait until you have to start buying battery's :'( :o :( >:(
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Virtually no hibrids here, and still most new small cars will do 50MPG easy, and some a lot more.
Check BMW's 1 series.. 60mpg in the 120mph low end diesel, and not much worse as the
power goes up.
Even Korean cars got small diesels that do 65+.
There's a small Kia Rio that'll do 73MPG, a 1.1l diesel.
My father's Audi TDI averages over 40mpg, and it's a 140hp 3600lbs car.
It can do over 50MPG doing 45-55mph in 6th.
To tell the truth, I think every manufacturer has a 50mpg+ car available here.
I often got 40MPG+ out of this thing:
(http://212.227.84.30/Wolf/Mazda/Mazda6Kombi.jpg)
It's neither small nor slow.
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I also here that VW makes a 3 cyl diesel called the LUPO/LUGO? To bad that with our safety laws we will never see them? :'(
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Virtually no hibrids here, and still most new small cars will do 50MPG easy, and some a lot more.
Diesel cars are UTTER CRAP. Always were, always will be. I would rather WALK or ride on a bus than drive that pile of sh*t.
Overweight understeering tractors.
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Diesel cars are UTTER CRAP. Always were, always will be. I would rather WALK or ride on a bus than drive that pile of sh*t.
Overweight understeering tractors.
Stop sugar-coating it and tell us how you really feel.. :) If you've driven any if the new diesel cars they are very impressive - most are very quiet with better performance than their gasoline powered relatives.
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I also here that VW makes a 3 cyl diesel called the LUPO/LUGO? To bad that with our safety laws we will never see them? :'(
Discontinued, but it had a couple of 1.2 TDI (3 cyl) and 1.4 TDI (4 cyl) diesels that were all beween 50 and 70MPG.
It's replaced by VW Up!.
Same story applies.
There's even the 1.2 TSI (turbo petrol engine) that can do over 40MPG on open roads and has 105hp.
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Diesel cars are UTTER CRAP. Always were, always will be. I would rather WALK or ride on a bus than drive that pile of sh*t.
Overweight understeering tractors.
Things have changed in the last 10 or so years.. a LOT.
Even between the common-rail Mazda that I had and the new Audi, this thing is planted, will not understeer
that easily, or at all (quattro). It doesn't sound like a diesel, there's virtually no vibrations, it won't drop dead
at 3500 revs etc.
And then there's the real wheel drive ones..
Seen the BMW M550d? The M5 diesel?
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This is our new addition. It's a 2.0 TDI with the 6spd DSG. We are happy with it so far. Very torquey and powerful feeling. it's still new to us and only had two fill ups since new so can't comment on fuel mileage. I think she says she got abut 500 miles on the first tank.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z229/Chandlerazman/VWGolf.jpg)
That's the engine I mentioned in our Audi, one of the best diesels out there.
Still no BMW though.
;D
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Things have changed in the last 10 or so years.. a LOT.
Even between the common-rail Mazda that I had and the new Audi, this thing is planted, will not understeer
that easily, or at all (quattro). It doesn't sound like a diesel, there's virtually no vibrations, it won't drop dead
at 3500 revs etc.
And then there's the real wheel drive ones..
Seen the BMW M550d? The M5 diesel?
Couldn't care less.
I drove enough (unfortunately) diesel company cars to hate every bit of them. On top of everything, I have to drive them usually for 1200 km round trip and I hate everything about them.
That A4 you mentioned is complete and utter shi*. I had the misfortune to drive also more powerful versions (143 and 170 hp). Last time I had to drive A3 and I almost started screaming when I realized that (we always have new rentals, usually around 5.000 kms on the tacho).
Ditto for Opel's 150 hp tractors. On top of everything, that casket had "Tiptronic" gearbox. I swear it is downright dangerous to try to drive that sh*t through corners, either in manual or auto mode. It will switch to higher gear in the middle of the freakin` curve.
"Planted" story can be told to those who do not know how proper car handles. Sure it is planted, with the front end in understeer.
Did I mention I couldn`t care less how much fuel it consumes if it handles AND accelerates? So called "kick" is a fairy tale because they readily accelerate slower than gasoline cars. I know the "elasticity" fairy tale too - could not care less also about 60-120 in 6th gear. I do not want 1400 kg 150 hp car with extra 100 kg over front axle unless I am ploughing the field.
p.s. "M5 diesel" just shows sad state of affairs and that the consumers are on the average -idiots. I will never understand people who shell out that kind of money for DIESEL car.
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I will never understand people who shell out that kind of money for a DIESEL car.
i know what you mean, hear in britain people buy diesel cars because they think its "cheaper" to run when in actual fact you may as well have got a petrol. diesel is so expensive over here that yes you may get more miles but ultimatly you pay far more for those "extra miles" when you could have slightly less miles from a petrol car but you will be paying less for fuel. all in all they break even, its either spend more on fuel and get more "miles" (diesel..personaly i cant see the point) or spend less on fuel but get very slightly less miles (petrol)
OR even better sell the car (wether it be a petrol or diesel) and get a scooter.......thats what i did ;D
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i know what you mean, hear in britain people buy diesel cars because they think its "cheaper" to run when in actual fact you may as well have got a petrol.
Exactly. However, most people are completely unable to see that break even point is well above amortization point of the car, above 300.000 kms or never, for premium brands.
Car manufacturers have used this situation and sold them immensely complex cars that break down regularly (take a look at any "diesel" forum).
This idea has been successfully sold in Europe. In Asia, diesel cars are still, a rarity, partially due to low fuel quality.
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we pay $7.60 for a US gallon...........................
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Sounds like there are some here that are familiar with gas vs diesel so I'd like to ask...again..only asking because I don't know...I had a gas operated pick up and pulled a trailer with it and it was struggling therefore traded and went to a 3/4 ton diesel. Yes, the 3/4 ton was bigger engine etc. but also it had much more pulling power. Is there a difference in gallon for gallon gas/diesel burn as for power. Most all tractor trailers use diesel and all this conversation has me wondering about gas per power vs diesel per power. I found it true about one here who mention about mileage using diesel vs gas and when we figured out the value of diesel it wasn't what we thought since we paid anywhere from 50 to 85 cents more a gallon for diesel. I don't know about now but when I was in the service, all the vehicles I knew off used gas. Probably more readily available?? I always thought the diesel engines had less parts or whatever and therefore weren't as prone to break downs..again, I used the work "thought".
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Couldn't care less.
I drove enough (unfortunately) diesel company cars to hate every bit of them. On top of everything, I have to drive them usually for 1200 km round trip and I hate everything about them.
That A4 you mentioned is complete and utter shi*. I had the misfortune to drive also more powerful versions (143 and 170 hp). Last time I had to drive A3 and I almost started screaming when I realized that (we always have new rentals, usually around 5.000 kms on the tacho).
Ditto for Opel's 150 hp tractors. On top of everything, that casket had "Tiptronic" gearbox. I swear it is downright dangerous to try to drive that sh*t through corners, either in manual or auto mode. It will switch to higher gear in the middle of the freakin` curve.
"Planted" story can be told to those who do not know how proper car handles. Sure it is planted, with the front end in understeer.
Did I mention I couldn`t care less how much fuel it consumes if it handles AND accelerates? So called "kick" is a fairy tale because they readily accelerate slower than gasoline cars. I know the "elasticity" fairy tale too - could not care less also about 60-120 in 6th gear. I do not want 1400 kg 150 hp car with extra 100 kg over front axle unless I am ploughing the field.
p.s. "M5 diesel" just shows sad state of affairs and that the consumers are on the average -idiots. I will never understand people who shell out that kind of money for DIESEL car.
Most people will never ride the way you (or sometimes I) do, so they won't notice any of that stuff, and it's down to minumum compared to 10 years ago.
80% of people use their cars to get from A to B, and are worried only about the expense of it.
But then again, 98% of people...
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Mama hated diesel so bad
I guess I knew it had something to do with dad
The first time I seen her cry
Was when one of them things went by
Mama hated diesel so bad
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Most people will never ride the way you (or sometimes I) do, so they won't notice any of that stuff, and it's down to minumum compared to 10 years ago.
80% of people use their cars to get from A to B, and are worried only about the expense of it.
But then again, 98% of people...
... are idiots.
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Yeah.
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cut a long story short:-
Petrol cars:
Power from the moment you put your foot to the floor
dosnt feel like your driving a boat down the road
more responsive throttle
makes less noise
Diesel cars:
tonnes of torque when foot goes to floor..torque runs out..no more power..change gear..start again
steer the wheel and maybe the front will start going in the direction you want it to
soggy throttle with little or no 'feel'
rumbles and makes a scene
nuff said lol
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cut a long story short:-
Petrol cars:
Power from the moment you put your foot to the floor
So.. you never driven a Honda with vtec, I take it.. ?
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no but i did beat one when i had a toyota corolla 1.3 12v
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not that I am going back on topic or anything... :p
But My 2010 x500 still gets over 51 MPG after 4000 miles on it ^_^v
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I'm sure this makes a big difference.....I live in a hilly area all around and most running is up and down hills. Further, I am 6' 1", 245-250.
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the slightest little things can affect your mpg..weight, height, terrain, weather conditions, traffic conditions and time constraints (late for work, going fast)
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40.58 mpg on the last tank of unicorn piss from Shell. I might add the last 104 miles was performed in a blast furnace on asphalt in stop n go traffic. All of the driving was performed when the temp was over 100 degrees. Come on Techron! Next tank Chevron with Techron!
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I'm sure this makes a big difference.....I live in a hilly area all around and most running is up and down hills. Further, I am 6' 1", 245-250.
So do I, inclines up to 18 %. However, it is neutral as a sum, what you spend going up you save going down.
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I couldn't form a new topic so will just change in the middle of the stream here! I had my first ride today on tarred and chipped roads. Seems like all communities pick a day for this and darn...they are all over. My knuckles are sore from squezzing the handles and each move on the road felt like if you'd make a slight turn..you're going for a ride on the chips. Especially with the roads being beveled, this was really nerve racking, I think I'll wait for the 4 wheelers to smooth these roads down!
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Put some Grip Puppies on yer handlebars, they're so soft it's like hangin' on to titties.
Mmmm, titties.
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I don't believe I can come up with a reply to that one !! thanks though !!
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I don't believe I can come up with a reply to that one !!
Well said.
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Well" that's better than a post of about a year ago when someone stated he was going to put a rubber on his thingy to repair his scoot? ;) :) :D ;D :o 8) ::) :P :-*
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yea you wont get STD's (scooter-transmited-diseases)
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Diesel engines need to be calibrated/serviced after some thousand miles, the cost of calibration is very expensive. So, what you save from diesel fuel, you spend on calibration.
I also don't like diesel vehicles. Here, 99% of SUVs and Pick-ups are diesel. No gasoline variants are being sold, so you're stuck with them. Cars are all gasoline except for some models of BMW, Audi, MBs.
This is a Ducati Monster Diesel....
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGp1yi2rmeNdfDzdPDxxqVlMaC59l-QhwUlRUKmk-mkNmFJThWgrsrmOOe)
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Diesel engines need to be calibrated/serviced after some thousand miles, the cost of calibration is very expensive. So, what you save from diesel fuel, you spend on calibration.
I also don't like diesel vehicles. Here, 99% of SUVs and Pick-ups are diesel. No gasoline variants are being sold, so you're stuck with them. Cars are all gasoline except for some models of BMW, Audi, MBs.
This is a Ducati Monster Diesel....
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGp1yi2rmeNdfDzdPDxxqVlMaC59l-QhwUlRUKmk-mkNmFJThWgrsrmOOe)
1. There is no such thing like "diesel calibration".
2. Ducati Monster Diesel does not have a diesel engine. It actually has a regular gasoline engine and "Diesel" is just a stupid Italian clothes brand.
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1. There is no such thing like "diesel calibration".
2. Ducati Monster Diesel does not have a diesel engine. It actually has a regular gasoline engine and "Diesel" is just a stupid Italian clothes brand.
Just joking about the Ducati diesel bro.... ;D ;D ;D
But the Diesel calibration... sorry about the terminology but that's what we call it here in our country....
http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=diesel+calibration+philippines&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a (http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=diesel+calibration+philippines&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)
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Just joking about the Ducati diesel bro.... ;D ;D ;D
But the Diesel calibration... sorry about the terminology but that's what we call it here in our country....
http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=diesel+calibration+philippines&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a (http://www.google.com.ph/search?q=diesel+calibration+philippines&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)
That's high pressure pump injector cleaning/servicing/change... happens at 100-150.000 kms or sooner, if the fuel is dirty.
This is also the reason why you do not see diesel cars in Asia and Africa. Fuel is too dirty and full of sulphur, modern sophisticated diesel car high pressure pumps would die there in a few weeks.
Gasoline powered engines just burn all that crap. :) :)
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That's high pressure pump injector cleaning/servicing/change... happens at 100-150.000 kms or sooner, if the fuel is dirty.
This is also the reason why you do not see diesel cars in Asia and Africa. Fuel is too dirty and full of sulphur, modern sophisticated diesel car high pressure pumps would die there in a few weeks.
Gasoline powered engines just burn all that crap. :) :)
well, we still call it calibration... ;D
Small player gas stations have dirty diesel but the big ones (Shell, Petron, Caltex, etc.) are not dirty. We have low sulfur diesel fuel here and we have lots of diesel cars here. SUVs and Pick-ups sold here are all diesel except for some American SUVs. Popular diesel cars here are BMWs, Mercedes Benz, Audis, Ford, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc. We don't have diesel SMALL cars here because they are more expensive than the petrol model. The market for small cars are those with limited budget and a diesel small sedan is out of the question. A Ford Focus diesel costs 1,200,000.00 pesos while the petrol model costs 900,000 pesos. A 1.2 Kia is a lot cheaper and consumes very little fuel.
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Xc 500ri shell vpower 91 octane 40.5 mpg
Chevron w/Techron 91 octane 50.35 mpg. "The new unicorn piss with Techron!"
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well, we still call it calibration... ;D
Small player gas stations have dirty diesel but the big ones (Shell, Petron, Caltex, etc.) are not dirty. We have low sulfur diesel fuel here and we have lots of diesel cars here. SUVs and Pick-ups sold here are all diesel except for some American SUVs. Popular diesel cars here are BMWs, Mercedes Benz, Audis, Ford, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc. We don't have diesel SMALL cars here because they are more expensive than the petrol model. The market for small cars are those with limited budget and a diesel small sedan is out of the question. A Ford Focus diesel costs 1,200,000.00 pesos while the petrol model costs 900,000 pesos. A 1.2 Kia is a lot cheaper and consumes very little fuel.
Diesels are 20-25 % more expensive everywhere. The same situation here.
p.s. Slightly less in EU, because Croatia and Phil* probably have high import taxes and in EU there are none for cars produced there.