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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: MassScoot on September 29, 2012, 01:30:06 PM
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Well....I cruised by my SYM dealer (too far away from my house @ 40+ miles) They received their 1st shipment of the Citicom 300i. They had two...One Red & Charcoal/Grey color. Both looked great! They don't have pics yet on the Alliance Powersports website yet, but here are some pics under Lance Powersports on Facebook here:
http://www.facebook.com/# (http://www.facebook.com/#)!/pages/Lance-Powersports/112027905492357?fref=ts
I sat on one & the seat is AWESOME! Blows away my Kymco GT300i seat! I like the looks of the scoot more as well. Plus it comes with a very nice windshield. The downside? Well....It's the same 263cc FI engine @ just 21+ HP. They are selling for $4600.00. I would have really considered this scoot before my GT300i purchase. The problem is it's powerplant. For the money I except more then 21+HP myself. I also really like the dash, again they did a better job then Kymco here. Speed, Tach & Fuel. The layout is perfect!
I think it blows away the GT200i myself for the same money. SYM still needs to get their dealerships back in order after the Carter Brothers fire. Parts aren't as easy as Kymco either. I know we are all "Kymco" people here, but I'm glad SYM (Alliance) decided to bring the Citicom 300i back to the US. SYM makes a damn fine scooter & it's still made in Taiwan.
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My S 250 is 20.1 HP. The GT 300i is 29 HP. I am not impressed by the Citicom's 21 HP. They are heavy @ 406 lbs and not that fast. The Citicom has a seat height of 33.1 inches. Thats really high for a scooter. And according to some test rides the brakes were reported to not be that great. I'll stick with Kymco.
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Old Geezer: I completely understand where you're coming from. Remember...The S250 was going for $4,499.00 last year.
Link:
http://www.kymcousa.com/showroom/scooters/peopleS250/index.html (http://www.kymcousa.com/showroom/scooters/peopleS250/index.html)
For FI & a little more HP the SYM Citicom doesn't look so bad @ $4600.00. I must admit the seat is the "key" to the Citicom 300i! It is a dream vs. our Kymco's! You know how much I love the "looks" of the People S250! But...I must say, the Citicom looks better too me! It's a damn fine scoot for sure! The seat has this Red sitiching around the trim that looks so cool! My link to Facebook was broken somehow...Do a search on FB for "Lance Powersports" You'll see what I'm talking about! Yes...she is heavy @ 406 lbs.
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I paid $3700 a year ago for a new S 250 with no add ons and now they are going as low as $3200. If I was going to get another scooter it would be the Gt 300i Kymco. I don't believe the Citicom will in any way compare in the performance and handling category with the GT 300i.
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Are you calling me a liar???. ::) I could post a picture of my contract but I guess you wouldn't believe that either. I could care less what you believe or not. I'm an old man and have no reason to post false hoods on the Internet. I am way beyond having anything to prove.
And by the way every time I posted a low price I posted the dealer web page with the price listed. And the number for Castle PowerSports was listed. Just call them and ask if it is posible to buy a scooter with no set up and shipping fees.
Teemon just bought a new S250 for $ 3299. I guess he got that wrong as well.
Heres someone selling new 2010 Kymco S 250 for $2999. :o
http://www.heinenmotorsports.com/sales.html (http://www.heinenmotorsports.com/sales.html)
also check out this..
http://www.cycletrader.com/People-S-250----Kymco-Motorcycles-On-Cycletrader.Com/search-results?category=SCOOTER&make=Kymco%7C6513283&model=People+S+250%7C764858498&vrsn=hybrid (http://www.cycletrader.com/People-S-250----Kymco-Motorcycles-On-Cycletrader.Com/search-results?category=SCOOTER&make=Kymco%7C6513283&model=People+S+250%7C764858498&vrsn=hybrid)
http://www.cycletrader.com/Kymco-People-S-250-Motorcycles----Cycletrader.Com/search-results?make=KYMCO%7C6513283&model=People+S+250%7C764858498&vrsn=hybrid&page=3 (http://www.cycletrader.com/Kymco-People-S-250-Motorcycles----Cycletrader.Com/search-results?make=KYMCO%7C6513283&model=People+S+250%7C764858498&vrsn=hybrid&page=3)
http://themotorcycleshopsa.com/?p=1439 (http://themotorcycleshopsa.com/?p=1439)
have a very pleasant rest of the day, I'm done ;D
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Sym do make nice looking scoots but thats all they are. Most the sym scoots I have seen fell apart shortly after doing any mods to theam. Were kymco scoots can hold up longer after all the mods.dont let the looks of a nice scoot fool you..........
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Old Scoot: I'm not calling you a liar @ all. Just that I "question" your price quotes. There isn't $800.00 of margin in a People S250! I'm in sales & I understand what things cost. Every dealer pays for shipping & that usually runs about $125.00-175.00 per unit (depending on the company) & where they are located in the US. Most dealers also try to pad their margin buy charging a set-up & freight fee. I guess you're lucky enough not have that issue.
BTW....I called that Cycletrader link you provided. Bert's Mega Mall in CA. sells the 2010 Kymco People S250 for $4,000+, not the $3299.00 on the web. Not your fault @ all. Fees upon fees. There simply isn't alot of margin in Kymco scoots & too see someone buying a S250 for $800.00 off retail is not the "norm" Unless they really want to get rid of a scooter, then maybe. Even then, a good buisiness person will hang-on to that scoot & wait until the right person comes along & falls in love with it. That's what I'm saying!
PS: I wish I could have pleasant rest of my day....but my Delaware Blue Hens lost to the Hew Hampshire Wildcats 34-14! I went to the game up in Durham, NH. this afternoon.
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A lot of dealers own little or none of their inventory, though. Instead they use a dealer "floor plan," which in essence is short-term financing of the inventory. If they sell in the first thirty days, all's well -- they make essentially what a cash buyer of the inventory would have made on the sale. After that, there's an interest payment made on each piece still on the floor. So scooter dealers will often run the numbers, and give a cash customer a much better deal on a bike that's been on the floor for six months or more, hoping to pocket a few hundred dollars or at least break even.
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After comparing both the Kymco & Sym bikes I find the parts/components used on the Kymco to be more robust than the SYM as well as the fit & finish. JM2C
As far as getting $800 off of msrp it is entirely possible, I just signed a deal for a 2012 650 Executive for $9000.00 (Retail $9899) which also includes the service manual (not throwing in the service manual would have been deal breaker). Hopefully I will get the bike this coming week.
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The Sym Citycom 300i was taken off the UK model range a while ago but there are still the odd leftovers for sale circa £2700 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SYM-CITYCOM-300i-New-Road-Taxed-and-Registered-Formerly-Honda-Taiwan-/140857576003?_trksid=p4340.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D2418138130130586661%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1016%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D140852828960%26) which is a lot of scooter for the money.
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After comparing both the Kymco & Sym bikes I find the parts/components used on the Kymco to be more robust than the SYM as well as the fit & finish. JM2C
As far as getting $800 off of msrp it is entirely possible, I just signed a deal for a 2012 650 Executive for $9000.00 (Retail $9899) which also includes the service manual (not throwing in the service manual would have been deal breaker). Hopefully I will get the bike this coming week.
InfernoST: 1st off....I'm a Kymco fan-boy! SYM's fit & finish is just as good as Kymco, in some cases better! As for the $800.00 off...Yes you're talking about something that retails for almost $10,000! Of course they can discount that for almost 10% because the margin is there! It amazes me how some people simply don't "get-it" Maybe I too old & have been in sales way too long!
Anyway.....Good Luck with your purchase!
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Masscoot,
I can empathize with how you feel. Had some time time to kill and went by the Kymco dealer to check on repair progress on my X500 and then across the street to the Honda dealer just to window shop. I was really impressed by the new NC700DCT. With the flip of a switch you can choose either manual or automatic transmission. It is a well designed beautiful bike with ABS. What looks like a fuel tank on the sport bikes is actually a large storeage area. It has 51 horses and a top speed of 117mph. And all of this for $9,000. I'm really considering taking the "like new" Xciting with only 900 miles on it and doing a trade. They had several maxiscoots on the floor and the salesman said they would be glad to take it on a trade in. When I become infatuated like this I have to watch my impulsivity and finances and would only do something like this after I talked it over with my accountant, Mrs. Green. So we're always going to see and admire other products from other manufacturers. We at times are going to buy other products other than Kymco and that's ok. As long as there is quality and dollar value...and aesthetics.
Mike
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Mike, that Honda looks awesome, but I think your accountant will not approve of that because as I see it, that Honda spells speeed with a girl on pillion... ;D ;D ;D
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Not so sure Vivo,
I've never had a pillion rider before. So not a chance...yet. And with my accountant it's all bottom line. If the money is available it is okay. And I don't like for us to go into debt by buying "toys". So a general concensus and hopefully good judgement would put me in the saddle. We'll see what I'm offered on my Kymco and then go from there.
Mike
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Pull over mister..... :o ;D ::)
(http://www.geetrish.com/pictures/motorcycle_thong_cop.jpg)
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InfernoST: 1st off....I'm a Kymco fan-boy! SYM's fit & finish is just as good as Kymco, in some cases better! As for the $800.00 off...Yes you're talking about something that retails for almost $10,000! Of course they can discount that for almost 10% because the margin is there! It amazes me how some people simply don't "get-it" Maybe I too old & have been in sales way too long!
Anyway.....Good Luck with your purchase!
Speaking of not getting it MR I've been in sales too long...
First the S 250 is a discontinued model and some times dealers get extra money from the factory to move discontinued models.
Second the scooter had been in his inventory for over a year and he was tired of taking hits on it.
Third I traded a 2009 Kymco People 150 in on it and he made $400 on the trade so he didn't loose any money. I know what he sold the trade in for.
This forum should be for fun and recreation. With all the sh** that goes on it is neither.
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Old Geezer: I'll bite. What is your point? I'm having trouble understanding here? I'm very aware the the People S250 is discontinued here is the states. Scooters & motorcycles aren't like cars. You place an order, then you're on your own to sell it.
This forum is fun (@ least too me) My point was that I like SYM products! They are just as soild as any Kymco & they are still built in Taiwan (except for their Lance line-up) I didn't agree with Inferno's post about SYM (my 2 cents worth)
I think you're "obsessed" with prices! Most of your posts are what you can score a scoot for IMHO.
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opinions vary...
Out of my 302 post very few have to do with price, wrong again.
Oh and most of the motorcycle dealers around here have a floor plan financed by the bank that they pay interest on. Just like the car dealers ;D
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Old Geezer: Your post wasn't definitive enough for me. What was your original point? Help please? Ok...Yes "if" you're a serious large dealer. But most times, you purchase, bring into stock it's yours!
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you figure it out. I am in the middle of dropping the gas tank on my truck to change out the fuel filter and then I got to mow the yard. Got no time for trivial BS.
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you figure it out. I am in the middle of dropping the gas tank on my truck to change out the fuel filter and then I got to mow the yard. Got no time for trivial BS.
Ok....I guess I got another JP in these forums!
Good Luck Old Geezer!
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No just an old curmudgeon. I am retired after 45 years in manufacturing. 5 years as a process engineer with General Electric then the rest in management. Finished as a manufacturing manager. Worked for General motors in the medium truck and buss division as a manufacturing manager for a while as well. Worked in GM automotive dealerships a few times between jobs.
What I am saying is Being in charge of all operations including SALES and being associated with auto sales I can say in my experience
that most salesmen are usually full of sh**. You can take that anyway you want to as I call it as I saw it.
Now I was through with this post but you had to come back and make another wise ass remark so here we are. And my life does not revolve around this forum or pacifying you. Remember YOU started this by calling me a liar. I kinda took that personal since I know what my business dealings are with my dealer and you don't.
You could have left this off a few post up as I took this as another jab towards me.
"It amazes me how some people simply don't "get-it" Maybe I too old & have been in sales way too long!"
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Old Geezer: Thanks for giving me your background on your employment hostory (I'm not being funny here BTW) You're lucky enough to enjoy your retirement! My guess is I'll be dead @ 65 & my wife will be counting our money! I never called you a "liar" as you claim OG! Just that you have these prices that many of us don't enjoy! OG...Get this much straight....You said I called you a LIAR! Not me! Correct?
Geez...I feel like I'm writing a reply to JP for crying-out-loud! Relax OG...Drink a six-pack & feel the love on these forums! You have time on your hands...Don't you?
Enjoy!
Alex
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Know this, JP and I are as far apart as you can get, We ain't even close. I am not a left wing liberal and would be against many of the things he supports. I did ride Harleys most of my riding career. Yes I am enjoying retirement. Been retired 4 years. My wife is 11 years younger than me and still works. She is the controler of a global company.
I have ridden on two wheels for 54 years. Got my 1st scooter in 1958. I have degenerative back disease and can no longer swing my leg across a motorcycle so a step through scooter is keeping me riding a while longer.
One of my best friends and riding buddies owned the local Honda shop for several years. Its not like I don't know the workings of a motorcycle shop. Many people get good deals around here. I'm sorry that you don't. We are in a different market.
The three major Kymco dealers here are also Honda dealers and are large multi brand shops, and between them they have over a 100 years in business. One of them has been in business since 1956 and started selling Hondas in the early 60s. I can get good deals from two of them. Not so much from the other one although a little less than MSRP. The scooter only shop that JP worked in did not give great deals and they still shut down??. I never was in that shop but did talk to them on the phone several times when taking bids to buy a scooter. Yeah I do play one against the other.
Now I got to finish mowing the yard.
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The scooter only shop that JP worked in did not give great deals and they still shut down??.
Didn't give great deals? No wonder they won Nashville Scene's "Best Place to Buy a Scooter" category in their "Best of Nashville" reader's poll for four consecutive years.
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Their quoted prices were never in the ballpark with their competition. And you know the type people who voted for them. Obviously it wasn't enough to keep them in business.
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And you know the type people who voted for them.
No; I don't Please explain.
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YOU started this by calling me a liar. I kinda took that personal since I know what my business dealings are with my dealer and you don't.
I'm lost... ???
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No; I don't Please explain.
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Yeah you do and it wasn't nearly enough to make a difference.
Hell even ole Tommy up the road with his Chinese scooter shop is still in business.
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YOU started this by calling me a liar. I kinda took that personal since I know what my business dealings are with my dealer and you don't.
I'm lost... ???
He went back and deleted that post. Its no longer there. So now he can say it never happened.
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Yeah you do and it wasn't nearly enough to make a difference.
Hell even ole Tommy up the road with his Chinese scooter shop is still in business.
No; I do not. And Tommy's business is highly-dependent on his brother's largesse, as I am sure you know. His brother's been trying to unload that business on craigslist for two full years, but he has completely unrealistic ideas about what it is worth, surprisingly.
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He went back and deleted that post. Its no longer there. So now he can say it never happened.
OG: I did in fact delete my post because I thought it wasn't worth the hassle. You're one in fact "claimed" I called you a liar. I said I was "suspect" that Nashville, TN. (wherever you are) gets these insane deals & poor old me up here in the Boston area never gets to enjoy those "wonderful prices" What is Nashville the scooter Meca of the US? I hardly think so. Maybe Southern, CA. or Florida comes to mind. Either way....I wanted to let it go.
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OG: I did in fact delete my post because I thought it wasn't worth the hassle. You're one in fact "claimed" I called you a liar. I said I was "suspect" that Nashville, TN. (wherever you are) gets these insane deals & poor old me up here in the Boston area never gets to enjoy those "wonderful prices" What is Nashville the scooter Meca of the US? I hardly think so. Maybe Southern, CA. or Florida comes to mind. Either way....I wanted to let it go.
Man asked a question and I answered him. Now why don't you go piss up a rope.
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OG: I'll give this....You're certainly are a charmer!
My Warmest Regards.