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Title: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Zimmerman on November 13, 2012, 02:38:26 AM
What works best ?

I've done a little reading around the Internet - sound like leather with padding and pockets for Armour.

But some folks also have a cooler textile jacket for hot summer months.

What do you guys use ?  What jacket has slid down the road and really worked to protect the rider?

Tx,

     KZ
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Zimmerman on November 13, 2012, 02:48:24 AM
Some riders were wearing armored shirts under a leather jacket.

What do you think of this jacket?  It has good reviews.

http://www.leatherup.com/p/Mens-Motorcycle-Jackets/Xelement-Mens-Classic-TOP-GRADE-Biker-Motorcycle-Jacket/342549.html (http://www.leatherup.com/p/Mens-Motorcycle-Jackets/Xelement-Mens-Classic-TOP-GRADE-Biker-Motorcycle-Jacket/342549.html)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Vivo on November 13, 2012, 03:30:41 AM
Me, it really depends on the weather and length/purpose of trip.

I wear a motocross jersey for my daily ride to and from the office. Long trips would require padded textile jacket and some armor gear, boots, etc.




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Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: streido on November 13, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
Personally i want armour in my jackets. I have my leather with full armour and a zip out inner i use pretty much all year. I also have a textile with full armour but i find that leaks a lot if i get caught in a rain shower compared to the leather so i rarely, if ever, wear it now since i got my leather one a year or 2 ago. Tbh there isnt much difference in how warm or cool the leather is compared to the textile, but other makes may vary more.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: skippy on November 13, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
well im one of thoes divs that wares my suit to work with my waterproof fishing coat on top and the only padding i have is my new armered gloves. so no protection at all. only 3 mile to work but still, im cheating fate. will have to invest in some protection. i remember when i was 15 a came off my push bike at around 30mph. i was a mess. had a cote on then etc. but when i slid across the road, it was like i had nothing on. all my shoulder arm face was scratched bad. was taken to a&e. took about 6 months to heal.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: ScooterWolf on November 13, 2012, 02:04:07 PM
I agree, armor is the way to go over leather. For now, in the colder months, I've switched to a heavy leather jacket for protection agaisnt the wind and cold, though I'd prefer the security of armor. Buying a second armored riding coat isn't in my budget at the moment. Here's the website where I ordered my scooter jacket:

http://www.corazzo.net/node/12 (http://www.corazzo.net/node/12)

I have the Corazzo 5.0 jacket in brown. The Leather 5.0 does look tempting though.

-Wolf
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Zimmerman on November 13, 2012, 03:57:11 PM
Skippy & group,

These stories are good for all of us to hear.

All the years I've been riding I've never had a single problem . . . But for some reason the little voice in my head keeps saying 'get riding gear'. My physco-therapist thinks it's a good idea too !  :)

Many of you have been riding longer and more often than me - if you need protection then I certainly do too.

KZ
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: ScooterWolf on November 13, 2012, 04:05:46 PM
The road is a harsh teacher. Avoid detetion at all cost.

-Wof
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: skippy on November 13, 2012, 05:00:18 PM
you never can tell whats around the corner.
im new to riding scoots aswell. as i say the last time i had a wipe out was 17 years ago. so never have come off a scoot. dont want to either, but even streido two weeks ago had a bad time with black ice. all we can do is prepair for the worst, and hope it does not happen.at some point in your life you will come off. and you will be glad of pretection.
as my dad said when i was younger( related to sex) always wair your wellies.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: streido on November 13, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
Cant find my jacket new online, must be too old  :D

This is my leather, only mine has Blue instead of red piping and doesnt say "Julie" on the back or have a T.T patch on it. Real comfy jacket and real quality leather used, not cheap leather that scratches if you look at it. Fits me really well, perfect actually.

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/mens-clothing/coats-and-jackets/dannisport-size-m-black-leather-jacket-hd_100022967 (http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/mens-clothing/coats-and-jackets/dannisport-size-m-black-leather-jacket-hd_100022967)

My textile jacket is same as this only has yellow where the blue is on this one.....

http://londonbikers.com/forums/Topic527014.aspx (http://londonbikers.com/forums/Topic527014.aspx)

Skippy, look on ebay and eventually you'll pick one up thats both decent and cheap. I got one for the wife and my son off there for well under half the new prices, cant just remember exactly but think i only paid around £30-£40 for theirs, and they were almost new, looked hardly or not even worn in.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: skippy on November 13, 2012, 06:01:02 PM
i will do after x mass with 3 kids not much money to go round at the mo. shopping and all. after x mass will be able to get rid of some debt and will look out for one. untill then i hope there is no snow or ice :-\ but if weather bad will use the car........
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: skippy on November 13, 2012, 06:09:12 PM
what is the best leather clothing these days?

going back a fue years ago now i worked in a shop in matlock bath( a hot spot for bickers) that sold motorcycle clothing and accesories.
the main names then were...
akito
danisport
richea
frank thomas
buffalo

my money was always on danisport as it was soft leather with plenty of padding. but that was then.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: streido on November 13, 2012, 06:16:33 PM
A lot of guys i work with who ride bikes/scoots use Frank Thomas, the richer one wears a Belstaff  :D

Im just going to get my kids scooter parts for xmas, mainly Agility 50 parts and Vespa T5 parts.  ;D
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: skippy on November 13, 2012, 07:48:19 PM
yer if only. most of shopping is done for them. so missis says. but she will keep buying untill the day.

 the richer one wears a Belstaf ?
bugger me that was a cheep brand like akito in the day..... what happened?

whats happened to the vw? has work stoped on that project?
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: fshfindr on November 13, 2012, 09:08:23 PM
My armored Joe Rocket jacket is VG.  The problem is that I only wear it if it is cold out or on a club ride or other long ride.  During the summer it is a "T" shirt under a long sleeve flannel shirt (sometimes), never without full face helmet, boots and gloves .  During the summer my 1 mile ride to the gym is "T" shirt only, of course the helmet, boots and gloves.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: streido on November 13, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
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 the richer one wears a Belstaf ?bugger me that was a cheep brand like akito in the day..... what happened?

Belstaff is the new Burberry, only much more expensive. You shoulda bought it up when you had the chance. I tried to buy some Belstaff saddlebags off ebay for touring on the Vespa a few months ago, they were Vintage leather ones,looked real cool but they ended up going for silly money so i drop out the bidding. Their basic 2nd hand bike jackets still go for over £100 last time i looked. The cool leathers are well into the hundreds of £'s. The old vintage Belstaff gear is cool as ........tho. Maybe one day.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: streido on November 13, 2012, 11:55:42 PM
  During the summer my 1 mile ride to the gym is "T" shirt only, of course the helmet, boots and gloves.

No pants? Just let it hang in the breeze?  :D
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: fshfindr on November 14, 2012, 12:40:39 AM
No pants? Just let it hang in the breeze?  :D
The chicks love it.  But jeans work well.

Richard L.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: de-dee on November 14, 2012, 09:15:38 PM
I have leather pants when its cool,. and textile joe rocket pants & jacket for the hot season,. I also have Bohn mesh body armor it is very lite but cool under regular clothing,. I have never done a slide, with armor, 60 years ago never even thought of it,. no helmet or gloves, just hob nail boots worked in the bush then, the big thing then was drag your boots and watch the sparks fly,.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Mike Green on November 15, 2012, 12:49:29 AM
When I had my wreck with the deer back in September I can't give enough thanks to God that I was wearing full face helmet, (GMAX), Mesh armoured jacket from Speed and Strength, and mesh
britches from Icon. All the gear was heavily shredded from the face shields in the helmet, the sleeves on my jacket, and the legs around the knees on the Icon Hooligan britches. All the meat was stripped from my elbows and knees, had five broken ribs, torn cartilage in the right knee, and a broken bone in the right foot. I was also wearing Vegas boots. The sole was stripped down the side on the right boot. The injuries were very painfull but none were life threatening and I live to ride another day because THIS forum taught me a very valuable principle; it's called ATGATT. When I first read about ATGATT in this forum it was in the middle of a very hot Alabama summer and I did not want to ride with all that gear on. But I did what you guys told me and it without a doudt saved my life. I was also wearing Cortech gloves and thay were shredded also. So thanks again for your wisdom. You saved my life. Mike
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Zimmerman on November 15, 2012, 01:19:05 AM
Mike,

You are paying the favor forward by telling your story.

I bet it will save some else's life.

KZ
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: ScooterWolf on November 15, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
I agree with Zim, thanks for sharing Mike. That's one of the reasons I wanted to start this forum.

-Wolf
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: desliderman on November 15, 2012, 02:55:51 PM
I never, ever get on my Xciting without at least a helmet, jeans, gloves and boots.  99% of the time I have all of the formentioned, a textport armored jacket and fieldsheer mesh/armored pants.  When it gets really cold I'll swap out the textport jacket for a fieldsheer winter jacket, a neck warmer and polar gloves.

When it's hot I wear a coolvest under the textport jacket.

I've only had one accident since 2005.  I was thrown over the handlebars and skidded along for about 30 feet.  The only damages were a sprained wrist and 5 stitches in my chin when I broke the helmet as I augered in on the highway.

I don't like tempting fate.  I know it's all a matter of choice what one puts on and any kind of protection is better than none.

Oh, and I almost forgot..the MSF course is a good thing to take.  It's as good a protection as all the above mentioned.

Ride safe everyone.

Don in KC.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Zimmerman on November 23, 2012, 01:02:31 PM
Another rider telling his 'drop, drag and slide' story . . . and how his gear saved his a$$ both literally and figuratively.

Moped Safety - Protective clothing works! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po8r6jptpvI#ws)

He does drop the "F" bomb a few times (in case there are kids around.)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: wakeupmaggie on June 23, 2013, 11:24:10 PM
I bought a ventilated textile jacket from gogogearla.com.  Here's the link for it:  http://www.gogogearla.com/cafe-jacket-ventilated-black/ (http://www.gogogearla.com/cafe-jacket-ventilated-black/)

I dreaded wearing it today in this 85 degree and humid weather, but it was just fine.  Since it's ventilated, the air flows through the arms and sides and keeps you cool enough.

It was expensive, but it is sturdy and armored.  And it's big enough for me to wear a light down jacket underneath in cold weather.

I also wear boots and a 3/4 helmet with a full shield.

Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: ophelia on July 10, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
Full gear. Once you build the habit, it becomes a second skin. Feel naked without.

For powerful scooters I also suggest earplugs. Protect your hearing from the wind, epecially with 3/4 or cheaper helmets.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on July 13, 2013, 01:27:35 AM
Took a motorcycle safety 2 day class this week. A lot of folks poked fun at my first gear armored hi viz mesh jacket.
"Man that's a bright thing!"
Yep, that's why I bought it, and wear it every day on my scoot.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: johnson on July 13, 2013, 03:57:07 AM
I wear a Spidi jacket for 3 seasons.  Too hot for summer riding.  I went down doing 35mph a few years ago in it and you can't tell from looking at it but I do have a new helmet.   I was just bruised and sore.  I wear textile mesh in the summer and feel naked.  Lucked out on the Spidi jacket from ebay and haven't found a serious mesh jacket that I really trust.   The Spidi is waterproof also. 

I have 8" boots that I wear with gloves.  I just wear long heavy jeans so I'm not really ATGATT but I'm close.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: paper on December 03, 2013, 03:41:30 AM
I'll dredge this back up to toss in some other info..

I've read through the postings and was shocked to not see a couple of the best protective clothing manufacturers out there..

Klim makes great stuff.. More geared towards the Adventure crowd, it breathes, is waterproof and protective.. It's also long lasting, but it's expensive..

And then there's my favorite. Aerostich
Unless it's 85+ degrees out, I'm in 'Stich clothing.. Goretex lined, protective, and made for touring comfort. Also pricey, but often found on Ebay for 1/2 of retail. And it's only available from Aerostich.. Most of it's made right there, in Duluth, MN and they've been around for 30 years. 

Here's me with my Aerostich Darien jacket and pants, and I wear a full face helmet, waterproof touring boots and gloves.. Great gear..

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h276/djpagel/AngleInletdoesntcount.jpg)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 04, 2013, 02:07:48 AM
I'll dredge this back up to toss in some other info..

I've read through the postings and was shocked to not see a couple of the best protective clothing manufacturers out there..

Klim makes great stuff.. More geared towards the Adventure crowd, it breathes, is waterproof and protective.. It's also long lasting, but it's expensive..

And then there's my favorite. Aerostich
Unless it's 85+ degrees out, I'm in 'Stich clothing.. Goretex lined, protective, and made for touring comfort. Also pricey, but often found on Ebay for 1/2 of retail. And it's only available from Aerostich.. Most of it's made right there, in Duluth, MN and they've been around for 30 years. 

Here's me with my Aerostich Darien jacket and pants, and I wear a full face helmet, waterproof touring boots and gloves.. Great gear..


Thanks for the info - more on this subject is always good.
That's a serious looking scooter - probably not Chinese - though I do note they didn't get the cylinders up where they should be.
Thanks for sharing. Seriously. ( a fellow down the street has a scooter just like mine - it has been sitting broken to bits next to his car for months in his condo lot. Hit and run van driver got him in front of a Walmart. Elderly neighbor couple bought a scoot like mine after watching me go by their house all summer. I've talked them into parking them until they take the riding class next spring. )
Stig
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Vivo on December 04, 2013, 02:20:33 AM
That's not a scooter Stig... it's a space ship... see the lights? they look like this  :o  :o  :o Lol!

Anyways, thanks for the info Paper! Great gear for long rides but I only do a few miles everyday... so, a jacket, jeans and running shoes work fine... helmet of course..
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: ts1 on December 04, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
I've read through the postings and was shocked to not see a couple of the best protective clothing manufacturers out there..
The best protective gear is a customized onesie made of leather. You won't see a MotoGP racer in textile or with seperate jacket and trouser.
The helmet (integral, no modular etc.) should be customized too and made of carbon fibre.

But best/professional is not my world.
Not even high quality serial production from "Rukka" (1-2000€).
I stay in the <100€/item world (but many pieces, namely from "Roleff").
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: AVGuy on December 05, 2013, 02:35:56 AM
With my first adventure sliding down the street, I was wearing a relatively inexpensive textile jacket with armor. I slid on my left side so the jacket was scuffed up but protected my upper body.

I replaced it with a First Gear Kilimanjaro textile in the high viz color. When I was rear ended a few weeks ago I landed on my right side. Again, the armor kept me from having any broken bones. I didn't slide any, just landed straight down and there was no scrapes on the jacket.

This summer I also got a First Gear mesh textile with armor for hot weather. I often ride without a jacket when it's really hot, but after these 2 episodes, I think I'll keep my jacket on.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: paper on December 17, 2013, 03:50:09 PM

That's a serious looking scooter - probably not Chinese - though I do note they didn't get the cylinders up where they should be.


That's what the Guzzi guys always say.. It's a Guzzi with saggy t*ts.. :)
Been a BMW rider since the mid 80's and the GS is an amazing bike.. Tons of power, excellent handling, comfort and the ability to wander into areas that need exploring. I bought this one used in Spokane and rode it home to the IL/WI state line over a 3 day weekend.. I rode Lolo, Bighorn and half of Beartooth Pass on the way home, too.. The other half of Beartooth was still closed due to snow (First weekend in June).. This is the MT/WY state line.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h276/djpagel/GS%20trip/SDC11962.jpg)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: paper on December 17, 2013, 03:54:33 PM
That's not a scooter Stig... it's a space ship... see the lights? they look like this  :o  :o  :o Lol!

Anyways, thanks for the info Paper! Great gear for long rides but I only do a few miles everyday... so, a jacket, jeans and running shoes work fine... helmet of course..

You know where the headlights came from, don't you?

(http://www.randomwebcrap.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/bill_the_cat.jpg)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: paper on December 17, 2013, 04:15:29 PM
On a more serious note..

But I do love Bill the Cat

Anyway, I've always tried to wear protective gear, but it wasn't until 4 years ago that it struck home..

I was leading an after breakfast ride of a group of 6 friends. Leading isn't really correct, as we all ride at whatever speed we're comfortable with, and if the direction or road changes, the leader waits for everyone to make sure all are safe and on the right road. This was one of those rides, and it was on a very curvy area in Southwestern Wisconsin. I love corners and I tend to ride faster than the average person because I seldom slow down.. I only ride 10 over posted, but I don't think anything of taking a 20mph corner at 50 if I can do it safely..

The reason I mention this is that if you get into a bunch of corners, the group gets stretched out. Again we tell everyone to ride at where they're comfortable.

Well, I went through few corners and then had a straight stretch. I slowed down to try to gather up the group a bit and I noticed that my group had shrunk by 3 bikes. I slowed down to basically walking speed (seriously) and then wondered if someone had dropped something?? The other two and I turned around and rode back about 2 miles to see 2 bikes parked beside the road, a car with a flashing light in the dash, and an ambulance on the way down the road.. CRAP!!!

Well, one of the guys got a little too far over, caught gravel, and proceeded to end up in a ditch with a small creek in it.. His bike hit a big rock and he got tossed into other big rocks, and the bike ended up down the creekbed a bit.

He was wearing a new full face helmet, as well as an Olympia jacket and pants.

Fast forward a bit, he ended up with a slightly cracked vertebrae, a couple cracked ribs, and the only place he was bleeding was where his sunglasses scraped his temple in his helmet. The police, fire department, and EMT's repeatedly thanked all of us for wearing all the gear. The accident where they figured they'd be washing brains off of rocks (WI doesn't require helmets) ended up basically as a training exercise. Had he been wearing the standard Harley riding gear, I would have gone to a funeral.. Instead, I drank a couple beers with him last Saturday night.

It was at that point that I decided I WILL have a helmet, gloves, and jacket on for just my 9 mile ride through town to work, and I will have protective pants and boots for anything beyond that.

End of sermon..

And I just wanted to pass that along as something I lived through.. They stood him up to put him on a backboard and everyone was laughing because he was going to be fine (he's still weird, but he's been that way since I met him) rather than dead..

I don't tell anyone what to wear or do.. That's your choice..

My choice is that I wear the gear because if I dump my bike, I want to be able to stand up and go "That sucks" and be able to ride the next week.. 
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: Stig / Major Tom on December 18, 2013, 11:19:16 AM
Thanks Paper,
Very well said.
I do not think there can be too many comments of this nature.
There are 4 Kymcos just like mine within a mile of each other - but one has been parked, in pieces, for the past few months. Hit and run by a van on a 4 lane blvd.
Stig
Nice photo!
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: GLV55 on December 19, 2013, 02:08:06 AM
Getting hit head-on by a drunk in a pick up sure made me glad I decided to gear up on that short little run to RedBox. I was able to jump off just before impact and land on my feet, but it still impressed on me how important that gear is had I hit the pavement. I'm now an ATGATT believer.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: kneeslider on February 11, 2014, 06:18:37 AM
Amour is one thing but it's best if it has CE certification. The level is entirely dependent on how far you want to go with it.

I scoot daily to work, so it's work attire with my GIVI M11.0,  textile REV IT Air jacket, RS Taichi textile gloves and XPD boots.

On the weekend blasts on my other bike, its full leathers, full faced helmet, leather gloves, boots, back protector.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: LidoCA on June 21, 2014, 04:07:40 AM
I like this thread, so I am posting on it to keep it current. The information has been great to read.

 I have an inexpensive BILT leather/mesh combo jacket with armor in the shoulders and elbows. I recently bought Bohn mesh Cool Air armored pants. They go under your pants. They seem quite warm. They are like thick pantyhose. I will know this weekend as I am doing a long ride.

Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: bluesin on June 21, 2014, 04:42:45 AM
For cool weather riding I bought a Kevlar/Armored Hoodie from GoGo Gear. Love this ... warm and protective and looks like a regular hoodie. Fit is awesome, as well . (Actually. I have two - one is larger so as to wear heavier clothing under for even more warmth/layering) .


They make a number of armored jackets that don't look like your typical 'biker' clothing. Good for people who have to dress professionally for work .
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: wkreps on June 21, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
I have a 14 mile trip to work at mostly 45-55MPH (72-89KPH). Right now I'm wearing some cheap gloves and an armored jacket add in blue jeans and tennis shoes. I'm wondering what people do once they get to work because I'm considering boots and armored pants. Forgive the ignorance but do pants fit over jeans? Then what do you do once you get to work? Are you carrying extra shoes to wear during the day? Is this how ATGATT works, you just get to change out of it everywhere you go. A trip to RedBox is fine but if you are doing a little shopping at Walmart then are you getting out of all your gear before cruising through the store? I'd just like to know your experiences and habits as this is my first summer of riding and well, just taking pics around the park yesterday, I was sweating like a hog in that jacket (possible weight loss program) because it was a lot of stop and go. I unzipped the jacket at one point but then when I took off I thought, "An unzipped jacket isn't going to protect me if I go down (on the scoot  :) ).
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: bluesin on June 22, 2014, 12:15:20 AM
On a more serious note..

But I do love Bill the Cat

Anyway, I've always tried to wear protective gear, but it wasn't until 4 years ago that it struck home..

I was leading an after breakfast ride of a group of 6 friends. Leading isn't really correct, as we all ride at whatever speed we're comfortable with, and if the direction or road changes, the leader waits for everyone to make sure all are safe and on the right road. This was one of those rides, and it was on a very curvy area in Southwestern Wisconsin. I love corners and I tend to ride faster than the average person because I seldom slow down.. I only ride 10 over posted, but I don't think anything of taking a 20mph corner at 50 if I can do it safely..

The reason I mention this is that if you get into a bunch of corners, the group gets stretched out. Again we tell everyone to ride at where they're comfortable.

Well, I went through few corners and then had a straight stretch. I slowed down to try to gather up the group a bit and I noticed that my group had shrunk by 3 bikes. I slowed down to basically walking speed (seriously) and then wondered if someone had dropped something?? The other two and I turned around and rode back about 2 miles to see 2 bikes parked beside the road, a car with a flashing light in the dash, and an ambulance on the way down the road.. CRAP!!!

Well, one of the guys got a little too far over, caught gravel, and proceeded to end up in a ditch with a small creek in it.. His bike hit a big rock and he got tossed into other big rocks, and the bike ended up down the creekbed a bit.

He was wearing a new full face helmet, as well as an Olympia jacket and pants.

Fast forward a bit, he ended up with a slightly cracked vertebrae, a couple cracked ribs, and the only place he was bleeding was where his sunglasses scraped his temple in his helmet. The police, fire department, and EMT's repeatedly thanked all of us for wearing all the gear. The accident where they figured they'd be washing brains off of rocks (WI doesn't require helmets) ended up basically as a training exercise. Had he been wearing the standard Harley riding gear, I would have gone to a funeral.. Instead, I drank a couple beers with him last Saturday night.

It was at that point that I decided I WILL have a helmet, gloves, and jacket on for just my 9 mile ride through town to work, and I will have protective pants and boots for anything beyond that.

End of sermon..

And I just wanted to pass that along as something I lived through.. They stood him up to put him on a backboard and everyone was laughing because he was going to be fine (he's still weird, but he's been that way since I met him) rather than dead..

I don't tell anyone what to wear or do.. That's your choice..

My choice is that I wear the gear because if I dump my bike, I want to be able to stand up and go "That sucks" and be able to ride the next week..


As an EMT-I , who has been to many a MC crash ( and , also , live in a 'no helmet rquired' State ) I THANK YOU !!


Could not have said it better myself !
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: AMAC1680 on June 22, 2014, 02:56:25 PM
I have a 14 mile trip to work at mostly 45-55MPH (72-89KPH). Right now I'm wearing some cheap gloves and an armored jacket add in blue jeans and tennis shoes. I'm wondering what people do once they get to work because I'm considering boots and armored pants. Forgive the ignorance but do pants fit over jeans? Then what do you do once you get to work? Are you carrying extra shoes to wear during the day? Is this how ATGATT works, you just get to change out of it everywhere you go. A trip to RedBox is fine but if you are doing a little shopping at Walmart then are you getting out of all your gear before cruising through the store? I'd just like to know your experiences and habits as this is my first summer of riding and well, just taking pics around the park yesterday, I was sweating like a hog in that jacket (possible weight loss program) because it was a lot of stop and go. I unzipped the jacket at one point but then when I took off I thought, "An unzipped jacket isn't going to protect me if I go down (on the scoot  :) ).

IMO it takes a while, unless you have a ton of cash, to acquire gear to cover the wide range on conditions and destinations. I have a closet that's full of just riding gear. Multiple jackets, pants, gloves etc.

Back in the day I rode a HD and the gear was easy leather. Sometimes it was good for safty but others it was all for a look. Same with the lid, just enough to stay legal. To this day leather is a great material for abrasion although it lacks the "see me" color.

Starting with the upper body I own a variety of armored jackets and shirts. Again some are better than others. Armor is good CE armor even better. I got hit in march and was wearing a Bilt armored jacket that took the pavement at 35-40 mph and although the jacket was a total loss I had zero road rash.

Of course in the heat of the Florida summer that same jacket is just plain nasty to wear and the "compromises" begin. As you stated a jacket that's not zipped is of little help. I've been using Bohn shirts when it really hot.

http://www.actionstation.com/catalog/proddetail.php?prod=BGSAY (http://www.actionstation.com/catalog/proddetail.php?prod=BGSAY)

I like these shirts first and foremost "under" a jacket as abrasion resistance is minimal. They must also fit tight to hold armor I'm place but the nice thing is it adds armor to any of my other riding jackets.

Yes I have ridden with just the shirt and it was very comfortable. I've worn the shirt and matching pants under business suits.

http://www.actionstation.com/catalog/bohn-bodyguard-adventure-armored-pants.php (http://www.actionstation.com/catalog/bohn-bodyguard-adventure-armored-pants.php)

I also knew I was making a trade off. Better comfort less protection. That's always the same trade and its a personal choice.

Lower body I have traditional armored pants and Kevlar reinforced jeans. Also the above Bohn armor underwear.

http://firstgear-usa.com/mens-gear/pants/men-s-ht-overpants.html (http://firstgear-usa.com/mens-gear/pants/men-s-ht-overpants.html)

http://www.cyclegear.com/CycleGear/Street/Pants/Textile/brand/BILT-IRON-WORKERS/Steel-Motorcycle-Jeans/p/41393_200503_73 (http://www.cyclegear.com/CycleGear/Street/Pants/Textile/brand/BILT-IRON-WORKERS/Steel-Motorcycle-Jeans/p/41393_200503_73)

I buy the jeans a size or two big and use them as "over pants" that way I can just slip them on over whatever I'll be wearing. Yeah when ATGATT you change cloths a lot. Lol

Boots. I carry another pair of foot ware as nothing but cycle boots for me no matter where else I may cheat a little. Foot goes down as a reflex and bad things can happen over nothing. Same with gloves always no matter what.

I'm not touching the helmet topic. I own many of different styles and always wear one. Just me.

Haven't even gotten to the rain gear!

Last I'm a HiVis guy, just don't let wearing it fool you. In march I was on the below scoot, trike, with the below gear on.

(http://scooter-gimp.smugmug.com/TRIKE/i-Lwdz4ZZ/0/M/image-M.jpg)
(http://scooter-gimp.smugmug.com/SYM-RV-200-EVO/i-bdqwPn8/0/M/image-M.jpg)

The first thing the woman who t-boned me said?
I never saw you.....really! A yellow trike the size of a small car and the day-glo costume and she never saw me. It wasn't the HiVis that helped it was the armored jacket, Kevlar jeans boots and hat.

I still wear all yellow but more important I still dress for the fall I survive.

Hope that helps some. Ever rider has there own ideas on this. The above is just one mans method.

Be Big,
AMAC

Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: wkreps on June 22, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
You're right about taking a while to get it all. I appreciate all the feedback. With all that gear, I can see a Shad case in my future or maybe just a backpack for the change of clothes. Mo money, mo money mo money.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: bluesin on June 23, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152487500439494&set=gm.10153144635931029&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152487500439494&set=gm.10153144635931029&type=1&theater)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: AMAC1680 on June 23, 2014, 04:09:05 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152487500439494&set=gm.10153144635931029&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152487500439494&set=gm.10153144635931029&type=1&theater)

Human flesh makes a crappy brake pad.

Be Big,
AMAC
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: paper on June 23, 2014, 04:31:57 PM
Human flesh makes a crappy brake pad.

That may be true, but I get mad everytime I hear someone say that Gasoline and Alcohol don't mix..  >:(

They do mix, but they taste TERRIBLE!!

 ;)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: bluesin on June 23, 2014, 06:46:44 PM
That may be true, but I get mad everytime I hear someone say that Gasoline and Alcohol don't mix..  >:(

They do mix, but they taste TERRIBLE!!

 ;)

Yep !! 8)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: arcanum70 on June 25, 2014, 03:13:34 AM
Personally, I'm not a fan of leather.  It's no moral objection, I just don't think that it looks good on me (not that anything really does...with me it's like putting lipstick on a pig).  I wear textile with armor in the shoulders, elbows and back.  But, I do wear leather riding gloves...does that count?...lol.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: wakeupmaggie on June 27, 2014, 11:34:09 PM
For cool weather riding I bought a Kevlar/Armored Hoodie from GoGo Gear. Love this ... warm and protective and looks like a regular hoodie. Fit is awesome, as well . (Actually. I have two - one is larger so as to wear heavier clothing under for even more warmth/layering) .


They make a number of armored jackets that don't look like your typical 'biker' clothing. Good for people who have to dress professionally for work .

I have the kevlar hoodie from gogo gear also.   I also have the ventilated cafe jacket and I just love it.  It's comfortable, has good air circulation and is really nice looking.

I got my husband a kevlar hoodie as well and he likes it.  When he wears it, it's the only time he's wearing proper protection.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: bluesin on June 28, 2014, 12:27:38 AM
I have the kevlar hoodie from gogo gear also.   I also have the ventilated cafe jacket and I just love it.  It's comfortable, has good air circulation and is really nice looking.

I got my husband a kevlar hoodie as well and he likes it.  When he wears it, it's the only time he's wearing proper protection.



Arlene has some great products and stands behind her product !!
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: zombie on June 28, 2014, 05:24:31 AM
Human flesh makes a crappy brake pad.

Be Big,
AMAC

You're getting closer to zombie hate all the time big guy... I'm starting to feel a vibe here.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: AMAC1680 on June 28, 2014, 05:42:07 AM
You're getting closer to zombie hate all the time big guy... I'm starting to feel a vibe here.

What's that they say about brilliant minds .......
Or is that twisted minds ?

Be Big,
AMAC
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: bluesin on June 28, 2014, 06:15:39 AM
What's that they say about brilliant minds .......
Or is that twisted minds ?

Be Big,
AMAC


Warped minds
 ;)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: zombie on June 28, 2014, 07:18:35 AM
Brilliantly twisted, warped minds. AMmmmm brains.....

Er-a  yeah.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: bluesin on June 28, 2014, 09:26:10 AM
Brilliantly twisted, warped minds. AMmmmm brains.....

Er-a  yeah.


Forgot how much you would "appreciate" brains       ;)
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: zombie on June 28, 2014, 08:46:30 PM
I need all I can get. (_ _ _   _ _ _   _ _ )
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: wkreps on July 05, 2014, 03:29:21 PM
I was at my dealer the other day and asked about riding pants. They really don't stock much as they are a small dealer but the gal showed me some kevlar reinforced jeans. What's the deal with these? If I go down how will these help or am I not seeing the forest for the trees. I was really thinking on the lines of a CE armoured reinforced  pant not jeans.
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: AMAC1680 on July 05, 2014, 04:07:22 PM
I was at my dealer the other day and asked about riding pants. They really don't stock much as they are a small dealer but the gal showed me some kevlar reinforced jeans. What's the deal with these? If I go down how will these help or am I not seeing the forest for the trees. I was really thinking on the lines of a CE armoured reinforced  pant not jeans.

I have both.

The Kevlar jeans I have also have CE in the knees. I have hit the blacktop in them and they did better than just jeans. They shredded but not thru ,no road rash on me. That said they are not optimum but there are days even my mesh fully armored pants are just to hot.

As I said above I also use the Bohn armored Lycra pants under whatever when it's blazing hot.
I do make compromises as there are times in Florida that ATGATT needs to be adjusted.

Personal choices.

Enjoy your ride.

Be Big,
AMAC
Title: Re: Jacket/Pants - Textile with Armour or Leather (w/w/o) Armour ?
Post by: SgtShak on July 21, 2014, 11:29:35 PM
I wish I would have read this post first. I just started a new one about ATGATT.  You guys assured me that proper gear is the right thing.  Even in NY summer heat, an OLYMPIA airglide (toxic), with Kevlar Jeans, Forma boots and a SHOEI is just fine.  There is a lot of great gear available and not too expensive at the right places.  Try MOTORCYCLEGEAR.COM.  these guys are great.