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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: MassScoot on August 29, 2013, 04:20:16 PM
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We few weeks back Massachusetts had a "tax free" weekend (under $2500.00) This was going to be a purchase for my wife. We went over to our Kymco dealer (10 miles away) & she sat on the Agility 125 & didn't like it. She said the seat was too hard & it looked super "cheap" I said to her to look beyond that because it has a good track record. I lost that battle. We went to a SYM/Lance dealer (30+ miles away) & she loved the Lance PCH125 (in Yellow no less) Yellow really? They gave us $75.00 of retail @ $1899.00 & did a DMV run for plates & registration for free. I thought that was pretty cool of them (Scooters Go Green Boston, MA.)
We have had the scooter now for 2+ weeks & I must admit, it's pretty solid so far. Built by SYM in China & the QC seems to be excellent! I'll admit the looks of the scoot blows away the Agility 125 & the seat is like a cushion in comparison! The engine is peppy @ only 8.38HP. I paid $1824.00 with no freight or dealer fees. We slapped a Shad 33 Liter case on back & she has a decent amount of cargo space now.
Guys...You know I'm a Kymco "fanboy" but they really need to update their line-up! Yes...the Agility change their looks a tad, but they need to move forward. My gripe? They need a FI engine in the mid-range market, aside from the Like 200i. Not everyone (including me) doesn't like the Retro look.
A couple of Lance PCH links:
http://lancepowersports.com/pch-125/specifications.html (http://lancepowersports.com/pch-125/specifications.html)
http://lancepowersports.com/models/pch125_photos.html (http://lancepowersports.com/models/pch125_photos.html)
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The PCH is FI? If it is, they seem to hide that fact rather than brag about it. It's a nice looking scoot! Drum brakes in the rear is a minus though. I'm surprised they don't have a larger displacement scooter. I went to their website looking for something around 300cc.
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Yep, well done~! nice looking scooter and seems to have a good reputation behind it.
Quality look & fitment of its parts and a comfy seat are things to keep a rider happy for a long time - esp. if it proves to be very reliable!
Thanks for posting and keep us informed as you go......(she goes)......
Good news about scooters is always a welcomed post!
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The PCH is FI?
Related Lance/Sym Facebook posting (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=675977162430759&id=112027905492357).
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Read the specs on several of their scoots, None have EFI.
And oil changes at 600 miles?
Maybe Agility has same?
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its a good value scooter and materials are a cut above for its price segment. i sat on one and did NOT like the seat, however. too thickly padded and the rise at the rear is right where i put my ass on my Agility's seat so it would have to be worked out
otherwise the PCH is too shiny in places for my liking and i like the instrument cluster no better then the Agility. if in the market today i would take an Agility over it without hesitation just based on my experience. BUT the PCH has a 150cc version just out, too. priced at $2200, so who knows!!
plus for 2014 Kymco has uglied the Agility up! its like putting bad lipstick on an already semi pig. what Kymco needs to do and should do and should have done already is bring the AgilityRS over, including the "naked" one. but no, the U.S gets bad paint schemes and lousy graphics on an aged model. i mean, seriously? ugh
(http://cdn-4.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/NewVehicles/2014/NV374628_0.jpg)
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its a good value scooter and materials are a cut above for its price segment. i sat on one and did NOT like the seat, however. too thickly padded and the rise at the rear is right where i put my ass on my Agility's seat so it would have to be worked out
otherwise the PCH is too shiny in places for my liking and i like the instrument cluster no better then the Agility. if in the market today i would take an Agility over it without hesitation just based on my experience. BUT the PCH has a 150cc version just out, too. priced at $2300, so who knows!!
plus for 2014 Kymco has uglied the Agility up! its like putting bad lipstick on an already semi pig. what Kymco needs to do and should do and should have done already is bring the AgilityRS over, including the "naked" one. but no, the U.S gets bad paint schemes and lousy graphics on an aged model. i mean, seriously? ugh
(http://cdn-4.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/NewVehicles/2014/NV374628_0.jpg)
$2199.00 for the 2014 PCH 150cc
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Enjoy the new scoot it will serve you well.
I picked up a Lance Cali Classic 125 last June to run around at the beach with. The fit and finish is as good as any in its class and it can take a bit of a beating. I've put 2000 miles on it on post hurricane Sandy roads tons of potholes and she is still solid with no rattles.
Be Big,
AMAC
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I've got a Cali 125 also. Same as the PCH with a different exterior. It's an early 2012 with 3200 miles on it. No problems at all. The SYM ceramic coated engine is a smooth as any 150 I've ridden with. I'd really like it as a 150 with 12" wheels front and rear. But I've got the PS250 if I want to travel. I had one of the local scooterati redo the seat and remove the hump so I can sit back or forward as I feel the urge.
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You are very fortunate to have a wife that enjoys scooting and you know happy wife, happy life. So you did the right thing buying her the scooter SHE wanted. Looks like she has a very nice ride and having the odometer record miles instead of KM is a plus.
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its good to hear all the positive things about Lance /SYM scooters. some really good low cost options coming from them, and i am sure many are aware of the suspicion "made in china" Kymcos and Syms come under. personally i think those doubts can be put to rest and if they continue are most likely cast by competitors. fact of the matter is these $2000 Agility / PCH / Lance things give a lot of scooter for the money and are proving durable and so far, reliable. my Agility has been flawless in all areas. and yeah, a chinese worker put it together. did a tight job, too
so far as the topic because the Agility has been so good to me and i like its "little motorcycle" rack and rear, i would have to get one again over the PCH. and i'm used to it, it fits me like a glove, and handles like crazy. so why mess around? the Agility if kept well stands up well and looks good. BUT i seriously could not buy a new one. not with that paint scheme. i honestly WOULD take a PCH 150 over the Agility because of THAT AWFUL PAINT!!
boy racer wtf? are you listening, KYMCO!!!
bring the AgilityRS or change the paint or this fanboy is buying USED Agility next time from private owner. no cash in it for Kymco. or better yet, an ATTRACTIVE Lance PCH. 150 and all
time to catch up, Kymco. read the FIRST post of this thread.
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please tell me its only the 50 they did this to? i mean i know its "only a scooter" but i ain't riding on THAT
(http://cdn.dealerspike.com/imglib/v1/800x600/imglib/trimsdb/1460651-0-1963111.png)
(http://cdn.dealerspike.com/imglib/v1/800x600/imglib/trimsdb/1460651-1054971-1963071.png)
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At least they ditched the "Agility" decal in a font that made it way too easy to read as "Guilty"
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its a good value scooter and materials are a cut above for its price segment. i sat on one and did NOT like the seat, however. too thickly padded and the rise at the rear is right where i put my ass on my Agility's seat so it would have to be worked out
otherwise the PCH is too shiny in places for my liking and i like the instrument cluster no better then the Agility. if in the market today i would take an Agility over it without hesitation just based on my experience. BUT the PCH has a 150cc version just out, too. priced at $2200, so who knows!!
plus for 2014 Kymco has uglied the Agility up! its like putting bad lipstick on an already semi pig. what Kymco needs to do and should do and should have done already is bring the AgilityRS over, including the "naked" one. but no, the U.S gets bad paint schemes and lousy graphics on an aged model. i mean, seriously? ugh
(http://cdn-4.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/NewVehicles/2014/NV374628_0.jpg)
Thanks for everyone that chimed-in. I appreciate all of your feedback. At 1st...I wanted her to buy the Agility, but the more I think about it, I'm glad she wanted the PCH125. The Kymco dealer is so close to us & considering I have a GT300i & a Super 8, I wanted to stay with Kymco. But the more I look over the Lance, I think the fit & finish is better then the Agility myself. I don't want to offend any Agility owners in these forums, but if you put both scooters side-by-side, you'll see the difference. The plastics alone are thicker & the seams fit perfectly. The speedo layout is better as well. Polished black rims vs. the flat-black Kymco rims. Everything from the mirrors up, look @ feel more expensive. I own a 2013 Super 8 & I must admit, I wasn't impressed with my plastics or paint job. I had a few panels replaced under warranty because there was red paint over white & white over red. It was a sloppy job (maybe mine was made on a Friday afternoon in China) At least Kymco honored their warranty.
Not to say SYM/Lance doesn't have their own issues. Parts are usually more expensive & harder to find then Kymco by a country mile. If you're in the market for a 125cc entry-level scooter, then I highly suggest taking a look @ either the PCH125 or the Havana/Cali Classic (it retro is your thing) BTW...You know why we received $75.00 off of the retail price? The color Yellow! The dealer said he had a SYM HD200 in Yellow that took him over 18 months to sell @ a hefty discount. Usually he said they sell the PCH125 @ retail.
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no offense massScoot the PCH is a cut above the Agility in materials used and appearance. fit and finish is also above par for price segment. i just can't diss the Agility as "cheap" because over 17,000 hard rode miles tells me different
that said when on the showroom floor hard rode miles means squat to those looking at a first scooter, and those who aren't such as myself...i see that paint scheme and RUN. i meant it when i said "Lance PCH 150? yeah. get me one before and Agility." because Kymco NEEDS to put a 150 in the Agility now and return to basic paint scheme. it has NEW competition and needs to keep pace, not cover up its shortcomings with goofy paint and decals
Agility RS. i mean is it really too much to ask!!
(http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000011098/img/640/kymco-agility-rs-06f7c042b76e4b04f698c75b7b2777ea.jpg)
(http://www.publimotos.com/testdrive/Kymco-Agility-RS-Naked/img/Kymco-agility-RS-naked-9.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/$(KGrHqJ,!qwFIOB0+QRlBSDwzY5LEw~~48_20.JPG)
(http://www.scootermoped.net/wp-content/uploads/kymco_agility_rs_50_naked.jpg)
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I'm with you MrKymco... Kymco really must wake up and re-think things because the competition is not sleeping..... but deym, I love this Agility!!!
(http://www.kymco.com.co/sites/default/files/product/media/galery/agilityrsnakeedespecial_0000_Capa%205.jpg)
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exactly, Vivo. pretty sure you reside and ride outside the U.S so you may have the updated, upgraded Agility models as well. now, idk if those are produced in China or elsewhere but its still the SAME frame, engine, components, etc as the old model. and its a scooter, not a darn car. so do what you have to do at the chinese plant to slap new panels on the Agility and be done with it!
now if the AgilityRS and the one you posted above....which looks awesome....are indeed already produced in China, there is NO excuse! i mean if you have an updated model ready to go for YEARS already and all you can do is change the paint and keep selling the older model in the U.S. well, its obvious some low cost scooters have caught up!
as said, put the Lance PCH on the floor next to the 2014 Agility and imo the Lance is the more tasteful choice. and it looks it. and its obviously going right at the Agility.
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We only have one Agility variant in our country and it's the 125cc... here's a pic... It's cheap at around $1,400.00 (taxes, registration, helmet, jacket included) so it might be Chinese....
Some would just peel off those graphics and have custom computer-cut stickers placed....
(http://kymco.com.ph/images/stories/virtuemart/product/agility-125.jpg)
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Mr. Kymco: You're correct! Kymco needs to wake-up & produce a better looking entry-level scooter. The problem? Here is the USA, we are such a small market for them overall. We simply don't really matter as a whole. That's why we get the "ugly-duckling" Agility still. BTW that RS Agility is pretty sweet looking! The Chinese are making much, much better scooters now. Take a peek @ this Bintelli Havoc 150 with dual disc brakes & is made by Znen (the best Chinese manufacturer of scooters) BTW....This can be had for around $1600.00
http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc (http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc)
http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc/2-uncategorised/64-havoc-150cc-gallery (http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc/2-uncategorised/64-havoc-150cc-gallery)
The Havoc is a great "knock-off" of the European Yamaha Zuma 125. I rode one down in Florida & I'll admit I was impressed overall. The paint & plastics were outstanding & I loved the way she cruised as well.
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Bintelli Havoc 150 with dual disc brakes & is made by Znen
Just for reference . . the Havoc has the somewhat oddball BN engine (http://www.scrappydogscooters.com/GY6-B_16__wheel_BN157QMJ.html), which uses Type-2 parts (http://www.partsforscooters.com/165-1-Cylinder).
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It's great to have choices in the 125-150 class. For too long in those displacements the china scoots had a hands down "bang for the buck" factor. Cheap and smi-disposable.
On the other end you had the Piagio group offerings and Japan on the higher priced side. Now with the emergence of companies like SYM/ Lance along with mainstay kymco affordable alternatives have come to be.
Hope it lasts
Be Big,
AMAC
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Just for reference . . the Havoc has the somewhat oddball BN engine (http://www.scrappydogscooters.com/GY6-B_16__wheel_BN157QMJ.html), which uses Type-2 parts (http://www.partsforscooters.com/165-1-Cylinder).
Tortoise: I'm well aware of the Chinese BN157QMJ engine. It's not the "Mainstream" 150cc engine, but solid just the same. Parts are everywhere for this engine. I really like Bintelli as they are not a fly-by-night importer. They are trying to go about creating a "real" dealer network. I was about an 1/2" away from buying the Havoc 150 over the Kymco Super 8 that I leave @ my parents home in Florida. $1600.00 delivered to my parents home (Havoc), then I paid $2200.00 for the S8.
AMAC1680: It's only going to get better for us as times goes on. Kymco is asleep @ the switch if you ask me. The S8 @ $2499.00 is way, way overpriced!
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I've got a Cali 125 also. Same as the PCH with a different exterior. It's an early 2012 with 3200 miles on it. No problems at all. The SYM ceramic coated engine is a smooth as any 150 I've ridden with.
My wife got a Havana Classic 125, the slightly more retro version of the Cali. She loves it, and it has been rock solid. Keeps up with my P150 very well, which is great because we love riding our scoots together. The wife is happy, and I'm happy with a happy wife!
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Mr. Kymco: You're correct! Kymco needs to wake-up & produce a better looking entry-level scooter. The problem? Here is the USA, we are such a small market for them overall. We simply don't really matter as a whole. That's why we get the "ugly-duckling" Agility still. BTW that RS Agility is pretty sweet looking! The Chinese are making much, much better scooters now. Take a peek @ this Bintelli Havoc 150 with dual disc brakes & is made by Znen (the best Chinese manufacturer of scooters) BTW....This can be had for around $1600.00
http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc (http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc)
http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc/2-uncategorised/64-havoc-150cc-gallery (http://www.bintelli.com/150cc/havoc-150cc/2-uncategorised/64-havoc-150cc-gallery)
The Havoc is a great "knock-off" of the European Yamaha Zuma 125. I rode one down in Florida & I'll admit I was impressed overall. The paint & plastics were outstanding & I loved the way she cruised as well.
i have not kept pace with what Znen and the few other major chinese makers are doing but Znen is really the only one i trust further then my nose. and quality is so hit and miss. the variances even between models coming off the same assembly line can be wide. it shows business grit that distributors like bintelli are willing to import and warranty the scooters as new, quality scooters sold at dealers. but can companies like Znen deliver adequate product of reasonable quality and do it consistently? i know BMS is still afloat and they seem successful selling Znen. so far as that goes.
it is nice to have some certainty in the value segment scooter market. i see Lance as leading the way atm. its a small but solid line-up of just a few scooter models but they are desirable at the price point. again, a $2000 50cc from the "big boys" or a 125cc and coming 150cc from Lance / SYM with warranty and no "big box dealer" mark up? if you need the speed or even want it its a no brainer.
and size does matter. these are good sized scooters, 12in wheels, decently made and constructed. i only hope Kymco answers
Cali Classic, Havana, and now the PCH. seems buyers are starting to think "why not?" and owners (and owners wives lol) are reporting high satisfaction, it would seem
c'mon, KYMCO!!
no one there reads this forum, though. if they did they may have run that fugly 2014 Agility paint by us a bit :o
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The PCH is FI? If it is, they seem to hide that fact rather than brag about it. It's a nice looking scoot! Drum brakes in the rear is a minus though. I'm surprised they don't have a larger displacement scooter. I went to their website looking for something around 300cc.
I'm sorry. I wasn't implying that the Lance PCH 125 was FI. Just that I think Kymco needs another sub $3000 scooter (that isn't retro i.e. Like 200i) Wouldn't it be great if they made a FI that was semi-sporty looking? The Compagno 110i doesn't cut it @ $2999.00, plus it's still retro. This model will be gone from the US shores with a year or two @ best. The Piaggio Fly 150 blows it away @ $2899.00 My wife just broke 600 miles this week. When she gets to 1200, I'll put some Amsoil Synthetic 10W-40W in. I already changed the gear oil to Amsoil a few days ago.
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No question 3 grand for the Compagno is out of hand.
Today I sold my S200 and bought a 2013 SYM RV200 for 3600.00 out the door. It was sitting on the floor for a while and with the 2014 coming in they were willing to deal. Just 600.00 more than the Compagno.
(http://scooter-gimp.smugmug.com/SYM-RV-200-EVO/i-KNDZdnR/0/M/image-M.jpg)
This is a damn fine scoot for that money. Kymco needs to watch what's coming from behind.
Be Big,
AMAC
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Like I said, the competition is not sleeping... The biggest move of SYM here is the lowering of scoot prices and introduction of more maxi scoots.... With all the competition around, I am quite confused and wondering why Kymco doesnt have any marketing campaign of their products... Kymco has good products.. some are even cheaper than some Chinese crap... all they need to do is advertise... Lots of people don't know anything about scoots and just get what other people get and end up getting the cheapest honda or a chinese clone... Is Kymco busy with other things..? BMW perhaps?
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4508/dsc0182yg.jpg)
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Don't get me wrong that S200 was a great scoot and it served me well. Problem was when I wanted something just a bit bigger the Kymcos were just way to much more money in comparison.
Be Big,
AMAC
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Another serious competitor: Genuine refurbished, pre-owned, Suzukis, Yamahas, etc. maxi scoots from Japan... they enter out country by the container vans...
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Lance PCH 150 review (http://www.justgottascoot.com/lancepch.htm).
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Good deal, The SYM's are good bikes, when looking for a scoot the SYM was my first choice. The CityCom 300i, I fell for her long legs (16" wheels) haven't seen them on anything else. Then I when to met up with Kymco Downtown 300i it love at first site, she has short legs but everything else is fantastic.
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I feel that way about the People S250. Almost the same specs at the Citycom 300 but 60 pounds lighter and a lot faster.