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People 250 / Re: Lights
« on: September 17, 2010, 06:42:53 AM »
Hello! I JUST changed the front headlight on my People (not "s") 250. It was pretty easy to do. Take a look at another site that I just wrote about this, and take a look at the thread. I'll put the link and some of the thread below:
Here's the site link:
http://www.scootforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=1027&p=3259#p3259
and here's the chain for you. (If you go to Scoot Forum you will see there are some salutations I left off on the chain below. Oh, and I'm "Brian.") Good luck!
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Hello, I'm using this for the first time--I hope I can find an answer, and maybe even answer some future questions. The Low Beam went out on my scooter (2005 Kymco People 250) and I just noticed it yesterday, or should I say evening. I was in Manhattan and had to get back down to Brooklyn. I was concerned that I would need to just park it and only drive it in the day. I switched on the Hi Beam, and was surprised to find that they worked! So, I drove home using the Hi Beam (Which was fine with me, but probably ticked off every driver ahead of me).
I'm looking to find which model light bulb I need to replace the headlight myself. Yes, I could open it up and then take out the light and bring it to a store, but I am hoping to only need to open the housing up one time. Does anyone know if the lightbulb is a) a separate light bulb for the Low Beam and High Beam (meaning, do I need 2 light bulbs), b) is it something I can do on my own (I'm fairly handy on this stuff), c) is it the same model that is used on the other Kymco Models, and finally d) could a xenon light work in place of the standard light bulb?
2)
I have the PS250 and on it, the low and high beam filaments are in the same bulb... I'm assuming that is also the case for the non "S" model. They might use the same bulbs as yours but I'm not certain. I doubt you'll have to take it apart to tell though... you should be able to look through the headlight glass at the bulb and a model number will be printed around the base of the bulb.
3)
Ahh...thanks so much for the reply. After some looking online for the right model, wattage, and base size, I went to Pep Boys to see what they had. I was looking for a 12V(olt) 35Watt/35. The number that actually seemed unimportant to me, but seems to be the "H4" and "9003" which, from my researching (for FAR too long) seems to be the fit that I was looking for. I'll try it out tomorrow when I look at opening up the housing and update this post.
4)
One thing that sort of concerns me with the bulb I purchased, is that it reads "12V 67/60W" for the voltage and wattage. I'm thinking that, although the factory settings are for "12V 35/35W" that I will be ok. It may be burning a little warmer, but at least I'll have a brighter headlight, right? And I'm thinking that, although I'd love to get as much shine as I can, a Xenon headlight just is out of the question. I read that they burn very hot (hence the brightness) and that the power drain on the little engine of Sally the Scooter (yeah, I named my scooter "Sally") will be pushed too much. Does anyone know about any truth to these rumors? Am I going to spontaneously combust when I'm riding down the West Side Highway in Manhattan, which will mean this will be my final post....?
5)
It sounds like you need the HS1, which is what my scoot uses. It is a 12V 35w/35w bulb. I believe the base sizes between the HS1 and H4 are pretty much the same and are interchangeable. Aside from the extra heat, which may or may not be a problem, there will be an extra load on your alternator and battery. It isn't a drastically larger load, but I dont know how closely they spec them. The only other concern would be if the wire gauge that they used out of the factroy will support the extra current. You'll be running almost twice the current at high beam and if the wire gauge is to small, if could get very hot and catch on fire. Usually they will 'over-engineer' by using a larger wire than needed, but by how much I dont know.
Bosch has listed here some specs of the different bulb types: http://www.boschindia.com/content/langu ... l/7812.htm
6)
Woah, MJ, you're good about sharing information. Thanks so much! And that link for Bosch is a great tool to have as well.
I ended up putting the new light in early this morning, and got to use it and see how it showed the road a little bit tonight. I live in Brooklyn, and I was actually at the Mets game tonight (They won) and coming home it looked like they may have been showing too high, so when I got home I adjusted it down a little bit.
Of the things I found useful today in making this self-service, 1) I used the diagnostic books that are available online (if you are intereed in seeing those, and I can forward them to you. They are a pdf file, so they're safe. 2) I realized that I needed to take off the windshield that I have on my scooter as well; may I advise to take the windshield off by removing the 4 screws, rather than thinking of taking off the windshield through using an Allen Wrench (as I ALMOST did!).
I adjusted the height a little bit, ad so far, so good.
Here is the model I used:
PHILIPS MotoVision Light Bulb (#33471) 9003 (H4) 9003MV. 12V 67/60W
It has an orange tint (that I can't see from my driving perspective but the cars in front of me are supposed to see) and it was in stock at Pep Boys. it was $19.99.
Hope this may help people in the future!
Ahh...thanks so much for the reply. After some looking online for the right model, wattage, and base size, I went to Pep Boys to see what they had. I was looking for a 12V(olt) 35Watt/35. The number that actually seemed unimportant to me, but seems to be the "H4" and "9003" which, from my researching (for FAR too long) seems to be the fit that I was looking for. I'll try it out tomorrow when I look at opening up the housing and update this post.
7)
ok with scoots even a little extra load can cause an issue
what you need to find out is if your headlight runs off the battery or the magnito
if it runs off the battery that is where you run into issues with run down bateries
if it runs of the mag then your headlight will be a bit dimmer at idel and lower rpms
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Here's the site link:
http://www.scootforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=1027&p=3259#p3259
and here's the chain for you. (If you go to Scoot Forum you will see there are some salutations I left off on the chain below. Oh, and I'm "Brian.") Good luck!
-----START OF CHAIN-----
1)
Hello, I'm using this for the first time--I hope I can find an answer, and maybe even answer some future questions. The Low Beam went out on my scooter (2005 Kymco People 250) and I just noticed it yesterday, or should I say evening. I was in Manhattan and had to get back down to Brooklyn. I was concerned that I would need to just park it and only drive it in the day. I switched on the Hi Beam, and was surprised to find that they worked! So, I drove home using the Hi Beam (Which was fine with me, but probably ticked off every driver ahead of me).
I'm looking to find which model light bulb I need to replace the headlight myself. Yes, I could open it up and then take out the light and bring it to a store, but I am hoping to only need to open the housing up one time. Does anyone know if the lightbulb is a) a separate light bulb for the Low Beam and High Beam (meaning, do I need 2 light bulbs), b) is it something I can do on my own (I'm fairly handy on this stuff), c) is it the same model that is used on the other Kymco Models, and finally d) could a xenon light work in place of the standard light bulb?
2)
I have the PS250 and on it, the low and high beam filaments are in the same bulb... I'm assuming that is also the case for the non "S" model. They might use the same bulbs as yours but I'm not certain. I doubt you'll have to take it apart to tell though... you should be able to look through the headlight glass at the bulb and a model number will be printed around the base of the bulb.
3)
Ahh...thanks so much for the reply. After some looking online for the right model, wattage, and base size, I went to Pep Boys to see what they had. I was looking for a 12V(olt) 35Watt/35. The number that actually seemed unimportant to me, but seems to be the "H4" and "9003" which, from my researching (for FAR too long) seems to be the fit that I was looking for. I'll try it out tomorrow when I look at opening up the housing and update this post.
4)
One thing that sort of concerns me with the bulb I purchased, is that it reads "12V 67/60W" for the voltage and wattage. I'm thinking that, although the factory settings are for "12V 35/35W" that I will be ok. It may be burning a little warmer, but at least I'll have a brighter headlight, right? And I'm thinking that, although I'd love to get as much shine as I can, a Xenon headlight just is out of the question. I read that they burn very hot (hence the brightness) and that the power drain on the little engine of Sally the Scooter (yeah, I named my scooter "Sally") will be pushed too much. Does anyone know about any truth to these rumors? Am I going to spontaneously combust when I'm riding down the West Side Highway in Manhattan, which will mean this will be my final post....?
5)
It sounds like you need the HS1, which is what my scoot uses. It is a 12V 35w/35w bulb. I believe the base sizes between the HS1 and H4 are pretty much the same and are interchangeable. Aside from the extra heat, which may or may not be a problem, there will be an extra load on your alternator and battery. It isn't a drastically larger load, but I dont know how closely they spec them. The only other concern would be if the wire gauge that they used out of the factroy will support the extra current. You'll be running almost twice the current at high beam and if the wire gauge is to small, if could get very hot and catch on fire. Usually they will 'over-engineer' by using a larger wire than needed, but by how much I dont know.
Bosch has listed here some specs of the different bulb types: http://www.boschindia.com/content/langu ... l/7812.htm
6)
Woah, MJ, you're good about sharing information. Thanks so much! And that link for Bosch is a great tool to have as well.
I ended up putting the new light in early this morning, and got to use it and see how it showed the road a little bit tonight. I live in Brooklyn, and I was actually at the Mets game tonight (They won) and coming home it looked like they may have been showing too high, so when I got home I adjusted it down a little bit.
Of the things I found useful today in making this self-service, 1) I used the diagnostic books that are available online (if you are intereed in seeing those, and I can forward them to you. They are a pdf file, so they're safe. 2) I realized that I needed to take off the windshield that I have on my scooter as well; may I advise to take the windshield off by removing the 4 screws, rather than thinking of taking off the windshield through using an Allen Wrench (as I ALMOST did!).
I adjusted the height a little bit, ad so far, so good.
Here is the model I used:
PHILIPS MotoVision Light Bulb (#33471) 9003 (H4) 9003MV. 12V 67/60W
It has an orange tint (that I can't see from my driving perspective but the cars in front of me are supposed to see) and it was in stock at Pep Boys. it was $19.99.
Hope this may help people in the future!
Ahh...thanks so much for the reply. After some looking online for the right model, wattage, and base size, I went to Pep Boys to see what they had. I was looking for a 12V(olt) 35Watt/35. The number that actually seemed unimportant to me, but seems to be the "H4" and "9003" which, from my researching (for FAR too long) seems to be the fit that I was looking for. I'll try it out tomorrow when I look at opening up the housing and update this post.
7)
ok with scoots even a little extra load can cause an issue
what you need to find out is if your headlight runs off the battery or the magnito
if it runs off the battery that is where you run into issues with run down bateries
if it runs of the mag then your headlight will be a bit dimmer at idel and lower rpms
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