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Just seeing this since it changed formats. I wondered what had happened when I couldn’t find you all in Tapatalk. As for the question . I’m not 100% certain. But  believe it’s simply out of an abundance of caution and the fact that the demands are low enough that a battery alone should be sufficient without starting the “donor” vehicle.  I’m guessing that there’s the unlikely possibility that the car charging voltage could be too high. Some car voltage regulators allow as much as 14.5 volts of charging voltage in some older vehicles. It’s usually less. But it could happen. I suspect that may be high enough to possibly damage some fragile scooter electronics.

By the way, even when starting another car, the “donor” vehicle is not supposed to be started until AFTER the final connection is made. Many (including myself) often ignore this i
Precaution , and it causes no harm. But in THEORY ignoring  it could .

Thanks gctkaz, when push mower was mentioned, that’s exactly what I pictured.


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I wasn’t thinking about the old push mowers . I’m not QUITE that old. (I’m sticking to that story) . I guess I should have stated non self propelled.


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Fastest I’ve seen quoted is 30 minutes from 0% to about 70% charged?


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As I stated elsewhere, while thats a lot slower than filling a gas tank, a 30 minute stop isn’t excessive for some people on a long trip if the frequency is once every 250 miles or so. Bathroom break, grab a snack, walk and stretch after 3 hours behind the wheel.  Before you know it 30 minutes will have passed. Of course it’s unacceptable for when I was younger and simply wanted to tick off the miles as quickly as possible while testing the endurance of my alertness and bladder. [emoji23]


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MrForbes -
I'm assuming that you can't do highway trips with a battery car?
Or, do these things re-charge at a charging station in a very few minutes?
Stig

The regular one has a range of 200+ miles. The extended range around 300. The charging time varies GREATLY depending on the method. And with the right method long trips are feasible. Not nearly as fast as Gas though. Here are a few interesting specs: from empty to full on the extended range option battery .
You’ll see that some options are less appealing than others

Home options—-
120v “extension cord” : 100 hours

Their Standard 240v charger that comes with the vehicle that can hook up to the typical stove or dryer outlet: 14 hours

The optional 48A charging station that you can have purchase and have installed at your home: 10 hours

“Filling station” DC rapid charge from 10%-80% typical of what you’d do on a road trip. :

Regular battery : 38 minutes
Extended range battery: 45 minutes

A quick 10 minute charge such as what you’d do if you were simply stopping for an unscheduled bathroom/snack break gets you about 47-61 MILES depending on the circumstances.

Obviously it’s not as fast as filling up your gas tank when you’re trying to eat up the highway. But it’s realistic if you’re traveling sensibly and want to stretch, bathroom break, and catch a meal. I found that when traveling with a couple of other people (especially my sisters or mom) we end up killing that much time anyway .

Again, not as fast as a gas fueled vehicle. But it’s not unacceptable considering the real habits of many people traveling on the highway. Even the at home options (except for the 110v) are realistic given the fact that you don’t usually run “empty” every day. And you can top off nightly while you sleep.

The 10-80% values are used for traveling because most don’t wait until they get empty. And the battery charging rate slows down as the battery nears full.


Side note:, the battery, electric motor, and other major powertrain components come with a 10 year 100,000 mile factory warranty. If the hybrids can be used as an indicator, the expected life is a lot longer. I read where someone tested an ORIGINAL 2003 Prius. When it was 9 years old and had 206,000 miles. And the performance was virtually the same as new.

Secondly, the Ford Mustang battery comes in sections” . So although it’s probably still costly, it will be a lot less expensive than replacing the entire battery. And unlike a regular car battery, just because one section fails, it doesn’t indicate that the others are near failure.

Would I buy a Mach E right now? Probably not because as a mechanic, I’ve seen too many first year bugs with major changes.

But to my surprise, Based on what I’ve seen in this vehicle and the experience of one of my brother’s friends who owns a Tesla, I wouldn’t rule out owning an electric vehicle in the future. And if I was in the market for a new car now, I’d SERIOUSLY consider one of the growing numbers of hybrids and plug in hybrids. In all my years at Ford, I recall ONE vehicle coming in with a failed battery. And i think it had less than 50 k. So it was something defective. Most other components were (relatively) minor with costs on par with other vehicles. The actual motor/transmissions have fewer problems that the full gasoline engines.


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If we truly ARE to go down the EV route world-wide, then we really do need some innovative technology which doesn't rely on rare earth metals which are being depleted at an alarming rate. 

I'd have no objection to riding an electric scoot, but would want first to be assured that it's battery provision was not as harmful as the carbon fuel it seeks to replace!

I’m thinking that there has to be some new technology on the horizon based on MAJOR manufacturers ambitious goals of having most or all of their vehicles either electric or hybrid in the not too distant future. Even given the fact that the batteries are fully recyclable and have an expected life of 10+ years, the supply of raw materials seems inadequate for the sheer number of expected EV sales. I hope so. We have a mustang Mach E at our dealership. Although I’m not a fan of the looks, the guy who does our pre delivery inspections was VERY skeptical and had only negative things to say until he DROVE IT. His entire demeanor changed. He stated that the gas engined mustang might have a hard time keeping up. EVERY misgiving was obligated except for fears of the battery going dead away from charging stations on highway trips. But the gps actually lists available stations, so a person can actually plan their trips around them. And the expected range is 200+ miles . Personally, Id Prefer the plug-in hybrids. They can go 20 miles on batteries alone. But perform as a regular hybrid for distance driving. A customer told me that she lives about 20 miles from her job and plugs it in at work and overnight. So the gasoline engine runs for only a short time. She claims that she can barely see the difference in her electricity bill. But I digress. Again, I hope they can make an environmentally friendly battery. It can be a game changer. It may be an good alternative to the lead/acid normal battery too.


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I plan on getting the vaccine ASAP. The deaths and serious complications among people in my demographic (African Americans) seem to exceed the deaths in the general population. In addition, I have an underlying condition (type 2 diabetes). And I personally knew 3 people slightly younger than I am (56) who’ve died, even more when I include friends of friends and older people. To be fair, I also knew several who’ve had mild symptoms, no symptoms, and severe symptoms. . On my job , we’ve had 3 cases.  One was very mild. The other moderate. They re now back at work.  But  one person was hospitalized. I don’t know if she’s out or if she’s still there. It’s been 3 weeks now. So I’m concerned now.

A church member and her sister took the vaccine.  One took the Pfizer. One took the other one. My 89 year old mother took the first dose. No bad reactions in either case.


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I once mailed a VW part to Japan - it went to the United Arab Emirates. Which I'm certain gave those supercar boys a laugh.
Another time the post mistress dropped my registered letter to Germany (containing $800 in Euros) behind her cash register on her counter. She found it 4 weeks later when was cleaning her counter.

I wager I've screwed up rather more than twice these past many decades.

Stig

Me too. [emoji23][emoji23]


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