Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Jalmar

Pages: [1]
1
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: June 26, 2017, 05:26:52 PM »
Kneeslider is absolutely correct. What's on the sidewall is the max pressure the tire can be safely inflated to. The vehicle's manufacturer's recommendation is a compromise, taking into account weight loading, ride comfort, grip and the speed rating on the tire. You should always go with the recommended pressure and not what is on the sidewall.

You can safely inflate tires to 25-30% higher pressure than printed on the side wall. But that would not give you any positiv effects. And it would be pointless, because it would be overinflated. And loose most of it's grip and comfort. The shops that mount tires for you often inflate tires to 75-80 psi to seat the beads. No problem.

But let me ask you a question: Look at my calculations above. If I choose to have a passenger on my scooter, I would easily put 280 kg on my rear tire total. The manufacturer says that I can have max 231 kg on my rear tire. So I do something unlegal, but I do it anyway. (And I think that goes for most scooter drivers). My rear tire can carry 280 kg, but at a pressure of 38 psi.

If I follow Kymco, and put 32 psi in my tire, will I have the correct pressure for the actual load on that tire, or will i be under inflated?




2
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: June 26, 2017, 01:36:55 PM »
Max load is stated at a specific pressure. You can't expect the tire to deal with the stated weight if you have lower pressure. And you can't (safely) expect the tire to carry more weight by adding more pressure. But this do not state the maximum pressure the tire can stand.

But that's beside the point here. No one has suggested to go over the tires weightlimit or the stated pressure. My suggestion was to try higher pressure, up to the pressure stated on the tire wall. That's a free test to see if you get more milage before the middle of the tire is worn out. That's an old metod to get more milage out of motor bike tires.

Another interesting thing here is the weight limit on the bike itself. Have you calculated that on your bikes? Are you sure that you follow the limits? Because if you are over the limits on the rear tire, you can't use the pressure the producer of the scooter says. You have to do what Dunlop and other tire manufacturer say. You have to put on a tire that can carry the weight and use the pressure stated on the tire wall...

Do the math on your scooters and let us see  :)

I have done it on my scooter, and I can't legally drive it with a passenger that weigh more than 38 kg.The max load on the rear axel on my scooter in Norway is 231 kg. The scooter itself weights 123 kg on the rear axel. That gives me 108 kg left. I weigh 98 kg with all gear on. I sit in front of the rear axel, so some of that weight is transfered to the front wheel. Lets say that the rear wheel carry 70 kg. That gives me 38 kg left that I legally can load on the rear wheel. What if my passenger, that sits right over the rear wheel, weigh 70 kg? And myabe I have 20 kg luggage also? Well, then I have 283 kg total on the rear wheel.

This has nothing to do with Nireens problem, but it has everything to do with correct pressure. Most of us carry more weight than what is legal when we ride with passenger. And then we have to use the pressure that stated on the tire.


3
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: June 25, 2017, 05:03:25 PM »
Here is a link for further reading.

http://www.dunlopmotorcycletires.com/care/

Thank you. That link showes just what I am talking about  :)

 It says clearly:  Maximum loads and the corresponding pressures are indicated on the sidewall of all Dunlop street tires.

And Dunlop says the same thing that I say when it comes to pressure: Keep in mind that hard cornering, passengers, heavy loads and sustained high speeds will require higher pressures (up to that indicated on the sidewall).


4
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: June 25, 2017, 04:49:51 PM »
The load capacity is the maximum weight a tyre can safely carry.
It has no relation to the max psi indicator.

We don't have a max psi indicator on european tires. I would be very interested to see one if you could please take a photo?

So you say that the tire pressure don't have any relation to the maximum weight a tyre can safely carry?

Here is a picture of what I am talking about (sorry for the bad quality):



As we see, in this case a Metzler Feel Free, this tire can carry 280 kg (617 LBS) at 260 kpa (38 psi). And that is what Metzler can guarantee. It can't carry 280 kg if you have 10 psi in it.

So this has nothing to do with max tire pressure the tire can have. Maybe tires sold in the US has other text on the tire? I'm very interested in the max psi indicator, if there is printed on the tire.


5
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: June 25, 2017, 02:12:57 PM »
This is great.  I am going to copy and paste this for my records.  I  recently had that back tire put on and yesterday I thought gosh I should check the pressure that they put into this tire.  It was only at about 23psi! Geeez!  I put it up to what the book said 32psi but on the tire itself it say's 40psi.

With 23 psi you would soon have a worn tire. Think about all the people that trust the shops and don't see for themselves.

I would have put in 38 psi in your tire, but that's me  ;D  If you usually drive alone with not much luggage, maybe try 36 psi. That should give you some more km on the tire.  :)

6
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: June 25, 2017, 01:58:26 PM »
The pressure level on the tire sidewall indicates its MAX pressure when cold.

It is not its recommended tire pressure.

The pressure level on the tire sidewall indicates what pressure you must have in the tire to get max load capacity. Metzler Feel Free rear tire can have a max load of 280 kg at a tire pressure of 38 psi (cold)if I remember correctly. So the pressure indicated at the tire sidewall isn't max pressure the tire can have, but the pressure it must have to deal with max load capacity.


7
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: June 25, 2017, 12:16:01 PM »
Jalmar, I love your 2 cents!! My book say's 32 psi and my tire itself says 40psi.  What do I do?

I expect to get at least 10K km out of a rear tire. If I get more, I see it as a bonus. If I get less, I look for errors... I got 6K km out of the factory rear tire. I changed it because I didn't like it so much. I changed it for a Metzler Feel Free. I think the factory tire could have lasted maybe 8K. Now I have 3K on the Metzler, and it is doing good  :)

On the factory tire I used 36 psi pressure. Thats 10% up from what is recommended. On the Metzler I use 39 psi. I have never experienced any change in roadholding with 39 psi, so I think that's OK. After 3K km in all kind of traffic, it holds the profile nice and round.

This is what I do. I am no tire specialist. I just do what Metzler recommended on my touring bikes long ago. And I have used that trick for many years with no problems.  ;)

Another thing that often is overlooked is the gauge. Is your pressure gauge correct? I am so lucky that I can get my gauge measured every now and then, so I know that it is correct. I have tested many different gauges, and found that there are many bad ones out there. Up to 25-30% wrong readings on the cheap ones. So maybe you think you have the right pressure, but have to low because of a bad gauge?

Tire shops should have correct gauges, so you can check your own if you check the pressure with your gauge right after they have filled the tire. Gas station gauges are not that good usually. At least here in Norway.

Another thing I do when I get on new tires, is that I measure the tread depth in several places around the tire. I measure where the tread wear indicators are so I'm sure to remember where I measured. After 1K km I measure again in the same places. Then I know how much tread wear it has been in 1K km, and I can calculate how long the tire is going to last. And it is surprising how accurate that has been for my tires. Actually I do this for every 1K km on a tire just for the fun of it. But I am an old geek and love to keep track of things  ::)
(This method is not a scientific correct method. Just for fun.)

 

8
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: August 01, 2016, 07:10:51 PM »
For the Maxxis we talk about 10% more pressure in the rear tire. 33 psi on the sticker versus 36 on the wall of the tire. I don't know how much more km's that will give, but from the picture Nireen999 posted compared to my rear tire at 3600 km it seams that it will give a lot more km's. And 10% more air pressure will not be noticeable or give any dangerous effects. I would say that a tire that is flat in the middle is far more dangerous.

On my Voyager Kawasaki recommended 36 psi in the rear wheel. Metzler said at least 46 psi. I used the same word as Stig when I talked to them and they answered that they had more knowledge about tires than Kawasaki had. They even had it in writing on their website, but I can't find it now. I'll keep looking and post it when I find it.

My experience with the Voyager tires was that I never experienced any drawback when it came to performance or grip. In all kind of weather and road surfaces for over 65K miles. And here we talk about 30% up on recommended pressure.

But everyone must choose what they want to try. I just wanted to tell about what I was recommended, and what's working good for me.  ;) Maybe the most important thing is to check the tire pressure often. Many folks drive around with to low pressure most of the time.

9
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: August 01, 2016, 06:19:18 PM »
Off course I can post pictures. :)

Brand new:






At home for the first time:





Out in the forests in Sweeden:




On gravel road in Norway:




With the new top box:




Front of the seat and a new back pack that fits in front of the seat:




I find that I tend to slide back in the seat agains the back support, so the seat is higher in front. You sit in a well so to speak.

Mine is the black version. You can get it in a special edition with green stripes.

I hope Nireen999 excuse me for posting pictures of my bike in her tread  :-[

10
Downtown 300 / Re: Downtown Tires???
« on: August 01, 2016, 07:52:24 AM »
I have only put 3800km's on my bike and the back tire seems to be wearing strangely..  or is it just the way it is.  It is looking flat in the middle of it.  Is this normal.

Hi, I'm new here and new to scooters. But I have been riding for 35 years  :)  Mostly heavy touring bikes. And the problem you show in your picture is a well known problem. But I think I have a solution that you can try  ;)

My scooter is a Kawasaki J300. And that is a Kymco Downtown with Kawasaki badges. I live in Norway, and scooters are not the most common bikes here. You can only buy Kymco mopeds here, so when I wanted a Kymco Downtown, I had to buy a Kawasaki J300. And then I found this forum and registered. I think this forum is a nice source for information, and I hope I can contribute with information as well when I get into this "scooter-thing"  ;D

One thing I have learned over the years is that air pressure is very important on bikes. To low pressure will give you the wear that you show in your picture. I have 3600 km on my scooter now, and my rear wheel is still round and fine. And I do a lot of straight highway with high speed and heavy load of luggage.

In the owners manual it says 33kpi pressure in the rear wheel with full load. I have used 36 kpi. If you look at the side of the tire, you will find a "max load", and thats the pressure you can use to get most milage out of your tires.

The thing is that the worst enemy for the tires is heat. The warmer the tires get, the faster they wear. And they wear most in the middle. If you use higher pressure in your tires you lower the working temp, and therefore get more km out if it.

Eventually the tire will be flat in the middle anyway, if you drive normally. But you will get much more km if you use the max pressure stated at the side of the tire.

I can mention that on my last touring bike, a Kawasaki 1200 Voyager, I got 10K km on a rear tire when I followed Kawasakis recommended tire pressure. I used Metzler tires on that bike. When I talked to Metzler, they said I should use the pressure stated on the tire, and then I got 18K km out of a rear tire.

Just my 2 cents  :)  Hope this will be useful. And I hope my English is readable  ;D

Pages: [1]