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« on: October 15, 2024, 09:50:00 AM »
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Hello,

If anyone out there knows of a place I can get a replacement cylinder head or recommend an alternative I would Greatly appreciate it. I have spent 2 weeks of wasted time I'll never get back searching for this part. I ordered 2 so far neither of which fit my engine. Please help or suggest other options if you know.

Kymco Super 8 150cc 4T 2009


Thank you

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Hi polishpipes10,

Did you see a spark at the spark plug during a test ?

Good morning, Yes I did see a spark after test! But still no luck.

I have another question, I where can i find a cylinder head that is the size of the one pictured on the LEFT? That is the one I need and i cannot find it anywhere for the life of me, everywhere only seems to have the "shorter" one on the right? I think the previous owner may have installed a big bore kit, but not sure how to tell. Any tricks as to how to tell if the engine has been upgraded with a Big Bore Kit?

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100 % correct. That’s the exact reason why I advised him to turn the crankshaft only 180 degrees, and NOT 360 degrees.  (Should he turn the Crank Shaft 360 degrees while the “T” and “V” marks line up, the Crank Shaft would end up at the very same, INCORRECT position)

@polishpipes10

I almost forgot - while you are lining up everything correctly, I think it would make sense to hook the scooter’s battery to a battery charger in the meanwhile. Due to all the engine cranking while you were trying to start the engine, the battery Voltage might be too low to start the engine at this stage. The reason being - if your scooter has a DC CDI and the Power supply to the CDI is less than about 9.5 Volt at this stage, the engine could easily not start, simply because the power supply to the CDI would be too low to create a spark at the spark plug, and to start the engine.

OK, I have aligned the two lines with the case and the big hole is up, and the T is lined up with the V on the crankcase..............I have also been charging my battery daily. Because of this dilemma  it drains the battery after about 6 times of trying to crank the engine.

Now the results.................................Nothing changed, it's still turning and turning and NOTHING. I tried starting it again and again until the battery could no longer do anything.

As to what you were saying about the crankshaft and turning it 180 degrees or 360 degrees. That has  me a little confused.

Another thing and the reason why I am so confused about most of this is because I have read opposing instructions before I found you guys. For example, another persons video said , ALWAYS turn the flywheel COUNTERCLOCK WISE? You said CLOCKWISE?

So are you telling me that if I have the 2 smaller punch out holes aligned with the case, AND have the big punch out hole pointing up AND if the T on the flywheel lines up with the V on the case, that this still could be wrong if I turned the camshaft too far or too little even though everything lines up?


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 OK, cool yes I see how that would be a major problem so I am going to go and do that now and I’ll get back to you and tell you what my results are thank you again .

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If your scoot agrees with photos 2 and 3 - you are at TDC. (unless some one has been there before you, and really screwed things up)
If you can see as in photo #1 - that's a bonus! the 'line' and the 'T' will be next to the 'V' in the engine case. Often, really hard to see even with flash light.

OK, this will get you able to do a valve clearance check....but, sadly I think you have more issues than the valves. You might need to start looking for other transportation!
I hope I am wrong. Truly. I know what it's like to be without transportation.

Also, there is no magnet in a scooter cylinder head cover. If it fell out of the cylinder head cover when you removed it - it was likely ingested by the engine. Perhaps it fell 'off of' the cylinder head exterior?
Is it a small barrel shaped magnet - possibly come adrift from an oil drain plug?

Stig

Good morning, here are the pics of what I see if I align the T onto the V on the casing. Looks Like it's correct to me, or am I wrong?

One thing I did notice however is that the rocker heads have zero play. They will not move at all?

Another question I have is, is putting the exhaust pipe back on a necessity when trying to see if it will start? Cause I have NOT been doing that because it is such a pain my a**! I just assumed that if it did start without exhaust pipe it would just be hella loud. Is that causing any trouble by not putting it back on before trying to start?

Also I attached the piece of magnet that I found. I'm pretty sure it did not fall out of the case. It looks to me as if it might be one of the magnets from the inside of the flywheel perhaps. Would that make it not start if one of those fell off?

Thanks again for taking time out to help me with this annoying and time consuming problem. I greatly appreciate your knowledge and expertise.


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You can just have a close look at the camshaft sprocket. It will have two small holes and two big holes between the center and outer edge of the sprocket.
When the piston is at TDC, the two smaller holes will be in line with the top of the cylinder head.

While the two smaller holes are in line with the cylinder head, you also need to have a good look at the position of the camshaft lobes. If the piston is at TDC, both camshaft lobes will be facing towards the REAR of the engine.

It the lobes are facing towards the front of the engine, it means the piston is NOT at TDC, and the crankshaft needs to be turned another 360 degrees - until the two smaller holes at the sprocket will be in line with the upper level of the cylinder head again.
Or, if you are a bit unsure about using the camshaft lobes as pointers:
- if the two smaller holes are in line with the upper level of the cylinder head, you can have a look at the timing marks at the Flywheel. If the piston is at TDC, the timing mark at the flywheel will be in line with the timing mark on the engine casing. If the timing mark on the flywheel does not line up with the timing mark on the casing - it means the engine needs to be turned another 360 degrees, until the two smaller holes at the camshaft sprocket gets in line with the upper level of the cylinder head again.  The piston will then be at TDC, and the timing marks on the flywheel and engine casing will line up with each other.

You can also have a look at the video below . Don't worry if your scooter is not the same model as the scooter on the video. These scooter engines are similar to the GY6 engine copies, and the timing marks at the camshaft sprockets, flywheel, and engine casings are exactly the same.



P.S. (There is no need to remove the carburetor - the video is just to show the holes at the camshaft sprockets, as well as the timing marks on the camshaft pulley and engine casing.)

Thank you for the video link it was very helpful, however, my flywheel with the markings T and F are clearly visible. The problem I am having is I cannot find for the life of me the mark I am supposed to be lining the T up with. I have seen at least 4 different articles telling me 4 different places it should line up with, none of which have worked. One said to line it up in the center of the "V" on the casing. Another shows me an area on the casing that does not exist on mine. You get the point. I would like to avoid having to pull apart and reassemble everything each time I need to check if the mark is indeed lined up with the casing. I have been troubleshooting this for over a week now with no transportation and have missed work because of this. It is very late here, but I will attach a pic tomorrow of my flywheel and the casing that I have (which doesn't seem to match ANY other casing I have found in my research). Hopefully this is something really simple and I will been able to get this thing to turn over again and be on my way, but as of tonight, After lining up the marks on the camshaft and making sure the larger hole is away from engine (up), along with trying to find this mystery mark on the casing near the flywheel, all I get is the sound you get when you turn the key and try and start but it just keeps trying to start but justs keeps rolling the camshaft and the flywheel with no actual turn over of the motor starting. THIS HAS BECOME SO FRUSTRATING! I AM READY TO THROW IT OFF A BRIDGE! JK!!

So another quick question, if the timing is off, is that a reason why the engine will not actually start up? or could I have the timing right and maybe something else is causing the problem? Also when removing the cylinder head earlier this week, (which is the entire reason I began this repair because spark plug hole is stripped beyond repair) I notice a piece of a VERY strong magnet fall out of somewhere. Any idea what that might be and could that be causing my problem as well by any chance.

Thank you so much for your replies and I look forward to your next response.

Allan

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Hi everyone,

I am new here and I am having a major problem finding TDC on my Super 8 150cc 2009. Any help or suggestions at all would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

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