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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: March 25, 2020, 12:45:43 AM »
I'm back.. Saturdays got eaten up.  I got brave and removed and dissembled the carb. Its fairly simple as it applies to moving parts etc.  I did make a mistake.  I went and purchased parts cleaner in an aerosol can instead of Carb cleaner which seemed to be more for cleaning it in place? The cleaner did a good job and I will say that guy I paid to clean the carb obviously did not disassemble it. The jet that has the multiple sets of tiny holes offset from one another in the main jet area was clogged.  Took some fine wire and pulled out some green crud. Blew parts cleaner through it from both sides so its clean.  My problem was the parts cleaner.  The throttle stop screw that has an O-ring … the parts cleaner swelled it and when I was reassembling I pinched it and as I was trying to recover from that in backing it out.
The parts cleaner by this time was eating the plastic handle on my screwdriver so … huge flub on my part.

SO... no idea where to get that O-ring save for finding a store that sells or has a broad selection of sizes, Maybe the scooter store has them?  Or..... being as it seems to be a bottomed out insertion I am confident I could Teflon tape that groove for the o-ring to be air tight ???

So aside from that, I think I'll be in a better place with a clean carb.  Thoughts on O-Ring? 

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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: March 06, 2020, 12:55:17 AM »
quick note. I received my Service Manual and its actually pretty decent. I was worried when I went to some of the Free ones on line with crude drawings and such. This will be a help to me and a plus for whoever gets to own this little beauty. Probably not a lot of 18 year old scooters out there. especially with 150 miles (not Km's) on them.
I have an all day conference Saturday, so It'll probably be next week before I can get back to it.  Time changes so a little time after work will help. 
Just wanted to stay engaged so you did not think I have given up or such...  8)

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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: March 03, 2020, 01:35:16 AM »
OK... totally confident in what is required.  Found a decent How To for the same carb and its pretty straightforward.  not too complex at all.   Sound is bad with the wind, but I get it. I can total get that accomplished.
  I suspect it will be clean as I have faith the guy who did clean it, did a good job.  Wish I would have come here first but the goal was to get this off MyPlate.  Now its not a rush. just get it done...and done right. 

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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: March 03, 2020, 12:47:34 AM »
The general consensus is carburetor so I guess I need to go there. They have always been like voodoo to me.  I am very handy... wife says I can fix anything, and generally I can but I hired a guy to go through it because I don't do motors. I saw a few carbs on Ebay and for less that $50.  You're saying I can drop something like that in there if I can't make this one right?

So just take it off... take it apart, clean and reassemble... I can do that. I just was always Leary of adjustment screw and jets and such. What do I clean it with? what fluid? I have a compressor... tools in general. 

The carb is where air and gas mix, but that oil seems to be the issue. seems like way to much.

Is there any credence to what the guy who cleaned the carb said: lower end is loading up. Once it loads up the fuel separates from the oil and the oil is left behind in the lower end and it builds up. The process it takes to move all the fuel is called scavenging, but it cannot scavenge properly because the lower end is not completely sealed. Says it will smooth out eventually as the seals will get somewhat reconditioned via the gas and oil in the lower end. Says I need to ride the heck out of it. several hundred miles...

So I never sensed anything other that the exhaust as blazing hot. And I know about air flow my bike is a BMW Oil head but needs air so you can't just sit there with it running.  Shame on me.  Lesson learned. scooters are foreign to me. Learning with your help though.

Thanks Kansas Kymco for jumping in. All I want to do is get it running and sell it for whatever I can get. I'd like to give the widow at least $500. It basically brand new at 18years old... With the manual I ordered, I'm now up to $375. that has me north of $800 which was my target.  Praying God places the right person here to fetch a nice scooter for les then 1/2 of new. Deceased husband paid $2195.  I have a nice cover an almost new helmet, some tools, and now a service manual... 


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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: March 02, 2020, 12:49:47 AM »
Thank you dan V. for hanging with me. Today and on a few prior start ups, I (think) I experienced the auto choke cycle. It starts right away and if I just leave it sit, it slowly ramps up and then backs down automagically... once it falls off I can take the throttle and slowly go to full open and in about a minute or two it will finally get to a full throttle run.  not that I know what that is specifically, but its really humming along.  Today I did that and obviously it smokes like crazy ramping up but clears out to something reasonable after running a bit.  It will run fairly smoothly at this level for as long as I hold it open.  I did it yesterday for a good 20+ min and the muffler was so hot it was smoking the tire when I stopped!!! I had to put a piece of sheet metal there until it cooled down. Probably not good.   
The down side is... If I shut it off It will not come back up to full throttle. It runs rough and gets about 3/4 of what it was.  IF I pulled the plug it would be wet with oil.  frustrated I walked away.

I'll check the area you mentioned but did not see that defined in the link
a plunger extend into the carb closing off the enrichment circuit as the device warms up. ??? picture/page
If the device is faulty, or if the leads are disconnected the carb will run rich.   You need to check it's operation.  Faulty due to sitting or such is a possibility.

I wanted to ride it when it was really humming along but once its shut down... no returning to full throttle.  And that's under no load.
 J.M.   


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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: February 29, 2020, 10:41:36 PM »
text'd with a guy who says the following: after sitting all those years the first time I cranked it up the seals in the lower end probably got torn up. equated it to a dry rot rubber band. Says the lower end is loading up. Once it loads up the fuel separates from the oil and the oil is left behind in the lower end and it builds up. The process it takes to move all the fuel is called scavenging, but it cannot scavenge properly because the lower end is not completely sealed.  Says it will smooth out eventually as the seals will get somewhat reconditioned via the gas and oil in the lower end. Says I need to ride the heck out of it. several hundred miles...

Today I put a cleaned up plug in it and it started right up. Turned the air/fuel mix screw out 1-1/4 turns. Idles OK.  Just sitting there I slowly got to full throttle and held it there. after a few minutes it finally jumped up to got to full revs.  I held it wide open for a good 10-15 min. idled back shut it off and pulled the plug. WET... wet sticky oily. 
I followed the oil tank hose and it runs though a hose end to and dumps into.... forgive my ignorance... I assume some sort of down stream mixing area/device. there is a linkage to the throttle cable there, so I assume its "metering" it some how?

I ordered a shop manual so maybe that will provide some answers.
What the other mechanic said about the seal gone bad after sitting so long is more than plausible.  But if anyone has additional observations I'm open.
As long as that plug is wet and oily its never going to run right. 

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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: February 29, 2020, 12:32:16 AM »
Thank you for your input.  I feel like I might be able to resolve this some help.
Correct plug via manual is NGKBR8HSA  I dropped one hotter in there a 7 obviously got me no where.
The guy I took it to initially cleaned the carb and being as it would not start initially I'll go with he did it.  It would fire with a shot of starting fluid but not stay running.
The breather mod he put in there was in his opinion required. I provided a new air filter for it, but he said it would not draw through it. Being as he has it siliconed in there I'll leave it as one less Varriale to mess with for now. Forgive me if I think a young person might think its  a cool thing.  8)
No critters in this thing. there was not so much as a spider web on it just 18 years of dust dirt. It was covered in a clean dry area.  All I did was takes some pats off and wash it well

It does not smoke at all once its warmed up and running.
The fuel / air mixture, and resolving how much oil is mixed in is the key as you indicate. It ran "fair" for about 4-5 miles of almost continuous wide open throttle, but it started falling off. as it got around town stop and go. Sketchy in the mid range but not too bad once full throttle full speed was reached. but I would not buy it if I was in the market for one running like that...
I can't really afford more money or I'll have little to give back to the widow lady. I thought maybe $800 if it was running well. I've got $350 in it already.   
I'll search for a service manual.  Again thanks for the words of assistance…
I'll take any input from guys like you who probably have a ton of knowledge to offer








reality is I can't afford to throw more money atit as I need to get it sold for as much as I can for the widow owner. maybe a tad more butthose two guys would take me to close to whatit mightsell for and I am notconfidentof what that is... is $800 unreasonable for an as new scooter with 150 miles on it... OK its 18 years old... New Tires though!  ;D

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Technical | How To / Re: 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: February 28, 2020, 03:10:18 AM »
being totally ignorant myself as to what it was when the Widow showed it to me, I simply took the scoot, the paper work, manual etc. put it in my truck and went home. I thought I saw it was manufactured as a model by Kymco from 02 -10. I included a shot of it I searched the net and quickly found a image etc for a 2005  https://bikez.com/motorcycles/kymco_yup_50_2005.php
I appreciate any words of wisdom. looks like a well made product.

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Technical | How To / 2002 Kymco yup 50 Barn Find
« on: February 26, 2020, 01:03:42 AM »
Not exactly a barn find but an elderly couple bought a Yup 50 in 2002.  He died shortly after that. Long story short she needs money and I offered to get it sold. It looks brand new being inside and covered. It only had 130 miles on it. I drained and washed the fuel tank, I put a new fuel filter, and battery in it. Could not get it to run. Took it to a guy who got it running albeit a bit rough. He cleaned the carb and that was about it. He did do some sort of Breather mod in a can shaped filter attached to the air box... I can start it but its starting to run worse. The plug is now black and when I pull the plug I can see black fluid and I suspect its getting waaay to much oil. I got it to run with the air screw out1-1/4 turns but it eventually falls off to were it wont even get to top end.

I'm not a mechanic but I'm handy. I do not know a lot about 2 strokes, I shot to soon and put new tires on it when he said it ran so I have $350 in this thing and was hoping to get $800.  now I can only see selling it for some stupid low price for an 18 year old As New scooter. She need what little money I can profit and I need help.
 8)
Can I adjust the amount of oil being injected.  Sadly I do not even know where the oil pump or meter is? I had a ngk 8 plug and stepped it up to a hotter 7 but that did not help.  I really don't want to go the way of pre mix I think that would be a deterrent… maybe I'm looking at that from my age of 64 not 20 something.   I need some help Please J.M.

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