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People 50 / Re: HELP! Fuel/Vacuum Line Routing?
« on: June 05, 2020, 04:23:12 AM »
Quote from: TBR125 on June 05, 2020, 12:59:50 AM
You are close to having it running if it already cranks. That's better than my scooter right now.

The thicker hose entering the left of the valve is from the fuel tank. The one on top is fuel to the carb and the smaller one below that is the vapor return.  Here's another pic.

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People 50 / Re: HELP! Fuel/Vacuum Line Routing?
« on: June 05, 2020, 12:35:43 AM »
Okay, so I just looked at another People 50 and there is no hose coming from that 4th nipple.  So I guess it's extra?  Of course this other scooter doesn't run either.  I just added clean gas, hooked up jumper box to the battery, and tried to fire it.  No joy.  Cranks and cranks but won't fire.  Checked spark again and it's getting fuel to to the plug. Checked compression again, not super high (115 psi) but i think it should still at least fire up. >:( >:( >:(

I guess there's a reason these were free.  I guess to the bottom of the river they go.

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People 50 / Re: HELP! Fuel/Vacuum Line Routing?
« on: June 04, 2020, 11:41:56 PM »
Quote from: TBR125 on June 04, 2020, 10:26:47 PM
The large vent hose I believe can go anywhere out of the way.

The only vacuum line I am aware of that should go the the fuel system would be the fuel pump vacuum which should attach to the intake manifold between the carb and the engine.

If you are referring to the fuel line that goes from the fuel filter to the carb, it should slide onto a hose barb at the bottom of the carb bowl.

Thanks TBR.  The pic of the fuel filter didn't come through but there are 4 lines, fuel line from tank, fuel line to carb, vent line (?) to carb and the unconnected vacuum port. But I can't find anywhere for it to connect to.  Was hoping someone had a pic.  The vac line pic in the manual doesn't really show it.

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People 50 / HELP! Fuel/Vacuum Line Routing?
« on: June 04, 2020, 07:36:57 PM »
Anyone know where the vacuum line from the fuel filter/valve on the People 50 2T should route to?  Here is a pic of the valve and missing vacuum line.

Also how about the large vent hose from the plastic head cover (2nd picture), where does the other end attach?

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!! Now fuel/vacuum line routing?
« on: June 04, 2020, 04:46:25 AM »
Okay so finally go around to installing a new piston and rings.  I now have spark, fuel, and compression.  AND IT STILL WON'T START!!!   >:(

I've drained the fuel tank and pulled out the carb.  Ran carb cleaner through the whole thing and reinstalled it. Just have to get some fresh gas tomorrow to see if that works. 

I also don't know where the final vacuum line to the fuel valve/filter goes.  Here is a pic, the 4th nipple doesn't have a line on it and i can't for the life of me find where the line is supposed to attach to.  I assume it goes to manifold vacuum somewhere but i can't find a a fitting to connect it to.  Anyone know? 

If this doesn't work these 2 scooters might end up in the Petaluma River!  Any thoughts, ideas, or wild ass guesses are welcome.

Cheers.

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: May 01, 2020, 06:35:52 PM »
Thanks all. Both scooters have about 1800 miles on the odometer so doesn't seem like they'd be so worn. But like I said the ring grooves were out of tolerance, assuming I measured things correctly.  And thanks for the suggested research, checked out several scooter parts sites and videos and think I'm just going to order a stock rebuild kit (new cylinder, rings, piston, etc.) and see if I can just get one running. If I can I'll tackle the other one and maybe "hop" it up a bit.  I'll post updates in case anyone is interested.  Cheers.


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People 50 / Re: Someone gave me an 02 people 50 2t
« on: May 01, 2020, 06:28:41 PM »
Quote from: TBR125 on May 01, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
How can I find such people? I would love a free 50 fixer-up!

FB Marketplace, Craigslist, and NextDoor. :)

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People 50 / Re: Someone gave me an 02 people 50 2t
« on: May 01, 2020, 12:14:16 AM »
Nice.  I'm in same boat, someone gave me 2 People 50's (2004 & 2005), in good cosmetic condition but not running.  Guy said he cleaned out one of the carbs but couldn't get it to fire.  I messed with it for a day and got spark and fuel but no luck.  Checked compression and it was way low (75 psi) so guess I'm going to rebuild the top end. Hope that's all it take.

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: May 01, 2020, 12:08:12 AM »
So tried to take some measurements (not the greatest tools) and the ring gaps seemed large.  The top ring (smaller one) was .4 and the 2nd was bigger still.  Manual says:

Piston ring end gap (top/second): 0.10 / 0.25; Service Limit: 0.40

So guessing top end rebuild is in order.  Any thoughts on going ahead with a bigger bore kit or stick with stock?

I just hope this is all it needs or these "free" scooters are gonna start to cost me.  ;D


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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: April 30, 2020, 02:08:47 AM »
Thanks scooterfan, I'll check the gaps tomorrow. So the kit to rebuild the whole top end includes, piston, rings, head, etc. and is less than $70.  So before I continue down this road a couple of questions, 1) what else could be causing compression loss, 2) is is worth getting the upgrade (big bore) version?

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: April 29, 2020, 07:52:08 PM »
Guessing it may be varnish from being a 2-stroke oil-fuel mixture. Guess I'll try and see if the bore is in spec and re-ring.

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: April 29, 2020, 07:46:19 PM »
Thanks eamartin, appreciate your help.  And yes the piston is pretty discolored so maybe getting. Blow by and rings are bad? 

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: April 29, 2020, 07:05:17 PM »
One more.

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: April 29, 2020, 07:04:45 PM »
It doesn't seem too bad to me, rings are free, no major scoring, etc.  Here are a couple of pics:

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People 50 / Re: 2005 People 50 Valve Adjustment, HELP!!!
« on: April 29, 2020, 05:50:57 PM »
Thank you, so I'm not crazy. Anyway they only have about 1800 miles but have been sitting a number of years I think. Pulled the head and the top of the bore has black charring but haven't dug further. So a top end rebuild, worth the trouble?  Found this on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/fits-Kymco-People-50cc-2-stroke-engine-50cc-cylinder-rebuild-kit-/233089583639

Thoughts? Thanks for all the responses.

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