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People 50 / Re: fuel problem people 50 2t
« on: October 14, 2011, 03:45:47 PM »
Come on guys. 57 views, 1 response that was invalid, and still no answer? Would love to be able to ride this weekend. Please help?
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People 50 / Re: fuel problem people 50 2t
« on: October 13, 2011, 11:54:54 AM »
Thank you for sharing your life lesson with me. I have tried 3 different spark plugs, and each of them works when I am getting the proper amount of fuel into the carb. This is my problem. I am not getting the proper amount of fuel in my carb. It is either too much, flooding the cylinder and crank case, or too little, not even filling the bowl of the carb. I believe that it is a petcock issue, and want to confirm that, as well as finding options to either clean or replace the petcock.
Thanks,
Todd
Thanks,
Todd
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People 50 / fuel problem people 50 2t
« on: October 12, 2011, 02:45:57 PM »
Hello,
I have a 2001 People 50 2t that I purchased at the beginning of the summer. When I bought it it had a 72cc Airsal big bore installed (i did not know when I purchased, and prior owner did not tell me) The scoot ran great for about 1000 km. I used as a daily driver with a 40 mile round trip ride to work and back. One day I was driving a wide open throttle for about 5 min straight (i was late and trying to outrun a thunderstorm) The engine siezed on me. When I dug into it to repair, I realized that the Prior owner installed the Big Bore Kit.
After waiting almost a month for the new kit to come in, I installed and she fired right back up. I did some heat cycles to break in the new big bore. After 10 to 15 heat cycles/short rides, I was having a hard time starting. Had plenty of compression, had spark, and had fuel. Upon further inspection I had a LOT of fuel. I should state that 1 tank prior to the sieze, I started to add an oz of Seafoam to the tank.
I took the carb off, thoroughly cleaned, and removed reeds to check for any damage from the sieze. (the piston ring locator pin had come out of piston during sieze) I put everything back together, and again had the same problem. Fuel was pouring out of the tube that you suck on in order to fill carb. I agin took apart and cleaned a second time. Same problem. Out of frustration, I let it sit for a month and tackled some other projects. This past weekend, I jumped on it again, and the problem was just the opposite. I now have no fuel running into the carb. When I blow/suck on the the filler tube, I hear air only, and the carb does not filll.
My long winded question is, is it possible that my petcock is bad /clogged as a result of age or the seafoam that I put in the tank? Can I take it apart and clean it? This is getting very frustrating. Any help on this would be appreciated.
I have a 2001 People 50 2t that I purchased at the beginning of the summer. When I bought it it had a 72cc Airsal big bore installed (i did not know when I purchased, and prior owner did not tell me) The scoot ran great for about 1000 km. I used as a daily driver with a 40 mile round trip ride to work and back. One day I was driving a wide open throttle for about 5 min straight (i was late and trying to outrun a thunderstorm) The engine siezed on me. When I dug into it to repair, I realized that the Prior owner installed the Big Bore Kit.
After waiting almost a month for the new kit to come in, I installed and she fired right back up. I did some heat cycles to break in the new big bore. After 10 to 15 heat cycles/short rides, I was having a hard time starting. Had plenty of compression, had spark, and had fuel. Upon further inspection I had a LOT of fuel. I should state that 1 tank prior to the sieze, I started to add an oz of Seafoam to the tank.
I took the carb off, thoroughly cleaned, and removed reeds to check for any damage from the sieze. (the piston ring locator pin had come out of piston during sieze) I put everything back together, and again had the same problem. Fuel was pouring out of the tube that you suck on in order to fill carb. I agin took apart and cleaned a second time. Same problem. Out of frustration, I let it sit for a month and tackled some other projects. This past weekend, I jumped on it again, and the problem was just the opposite. I now have no fuel running into the carb. When I blow/suck on the the filler tube, I hear air only, and the carb does not filll.
My long winded question is, is it possible that my petcock is bad /clogged as a result of age or the seafoam that I put in the tank? Can I take it apart and clean it? This is getting very frustrating. Any help on this would be appreciated.
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People 50 / Re: lower front cover removal
« on: August 03, 2011, 04:09:10 PM »
which lower front cover? above the fender where the chrome grill is? If this is what you are talking about, it takes about 1 minute and is very easy. There are 2 screws on the glove box side. The top 2. Take them out. Once they are out, there is a larger philips head screw in the middle of the cover. remove that. Finally, there are 2 plastic tabs, one on each side at the bottom of the cover. You can see them by turning the wheel to the left and right. It should pop right off. Hope this helps.
Todd
Todd
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General Discussion / Re: How does one post pictures on here?
« on: July 21, 2011, 11:49:34 AM »
I have successfuly posted photos here through a photo hosting site. I use photobucket. After you download your photos there, you copy the image code and paste right into the text that you are typing here and viola!!!!
By the way, i wish I kept this little guy....
By the way, i wish I kept this little guy....
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General Discussion / Re: Installing New Airsal BBK on People 50 2t
« on: July 20, 2011, 12:55:08 PM »
My new Kit came in yesterday and was waiting for me when I got home from work. I was able to install and have running within an hour. (already had top end off engine). The Airsal kit has an Aluminum head gasket. I noticed after a few heat cycles that there was a small air leak at the head. I retorqued the head bolts ( there was a lot of movement from initial install). She ran much better still. I did about 6 heat cycles last night. I went out to the garage this am, and started again before work. She ran a little rough, and sounded like there were some air leaks again coming from the head gasket. Go to give her some throttle, and she stalls. I did not have time to take the cooling shroud back off to again retorque the head bolts.
Question is, with a flat aluminum (no bead) head gasket, how much torque should be required to get a proper seal, and how many times at the beginning should I have to retorque the bolts. Looking forward to getting back on the road. I did ride to the end of my driveway, but no further.
Hoping to have her broken in and on her first good ride by the weekend.
Question is, with a flat aluminum (no bead) head gasket, how much torque should be required to get a proper seal, and how many times at the beginning should I have to retorque the bolts. Looking forward to getting back on the road. I did ride to the end of my driveway, but no further.
Hoping to have her broken in and on her first good ride by the weekend.
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General Discussion / Re: Installing New Airsal BBK on People 50 2t
« on: June 30, 2011, 01:56:41 PM »
should i do the chops with engine at idle, or should I run the engine up to 3/4 or so? I should be looking for a darker cardboard color for the proper plug chop correct?
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General Discussion / Re: Installing New Airsal BBK on People 50 2t
« on: June 30, 2011, 12:29:14 PM »
So go for the Larger than stock jet (im not sure what PO put in there) and then turn airscrew back in a bit? I am not sure what the stock spec means in the manual. I would like to start out at stock and work my way in a touch.
it states that it shoud be 1 degree,,,then there is a small rectangle,,,,then there is an omega symbol. What does that mean? Thanks as always sid
it states that it shoud be 1 degree,,,then there is a small rectangle,,,,then there is an omega symbol. What does that mean? Thanks as always sid
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General Discussion / Re: Installing New Airsal BBK on People 50 2t
« on: June 30, 2011, 12:12:07 PM »
So any info in my Air mixture screw with regards to getting it richer?
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General Discussion / Re: Warning Kymco difficult to find parts
« on: June 29, 2011, 02:07:20 PM »
There is a great seller on Ebay that I have found called daywot. He knows scooters well, and will not sell it to you if it doesnt fit your bike. He is one of the honest ones out there. Ships from Hawaii, but it is only taking 3 days to get from there to Rhode Island. Patrick at Daywot seems to be a wealth of info.
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General Discussion / Installing New Airsal BBK on People 50 2t
« on: June 29, 2011, 01:59:55 PM »
Hello,
I am going to be installing a new Airsal BBK on my 2001 Kymco People 50 2t this coming weekend. When I bought the bike, there was one installed on it. I did not know, and PO did not tell me. Long story short, it seized as a result of lack of oil (pump takes care of 50cc displacement, not 72cc), running lean, and the wrong spark plug used for the kit (an 8 instead of a 9).
With this kit I will add an extra 2 oz of premix directly to each tank of fuel to compensate for the pump not handling extra displacement, run the proper plug for the kit, and adjust the air fuel mixture as to not run so lean. This is where my question lies:
In the Kymco manual the air screw adjustment is listed as 1 degree, then a rectangle, then and omega. What does this mean? If i were to want to adjust the airs screw mixture to run more on the rich side, which way would i turn the adjusment screw? more clockwise or counter clockwise.
Also, the manual says that lean condiditons can be caused by a dirty air filter. I will clean with detergent and re-oil. Should i drill an estra hole in the airbox to allow more air in and through the system?
Thanks as always for your input,
Todd
I am going to be installing a new Airsal BBK on my 2001 Kymco People 50 2t this coming weekend. When I bought the bike, there was one installed on it. I did not know, and PO did not tell me. Long story short, it seized as a result of lack of oil (pump takes care of 50cc displacement, not 72cc), running lean, and the wrong spark plug used for the kit (an 8 instead of a 9).
With this kit I will add an extra 2 oz of premix directly to each tank of fuel to compensate for the pump not handling extra displacement, run the proper plug for the kit, and adjust the air fuel mixture as to not run so lean. This is where my question lies:
In the Kymco manual the air screw adjustment is listed as 1 degree, then a rectangle, then and omega. What does this mean? If i were to want to adjust the airs screw mixture to run more on the rich side, which way would i turn the adjusment screw? more clockwise or counter clockwise.
Also, the manual says that lean condiditons can be caused by a dirty air filter. I will clean with detergent and re-oil. Should i drill an estra hole in the airbox to allow more air in and through the system?
Thanks as always for your input,
Todd
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General Discussion / Re: ouch, I think I screwed up!
« on: June 15, 2011, 01:39:23 PM »
So do you think that I need to split the case and flush it out with oil to take care of the metal shavings from the piston, as well as the ring locating pin? Are you in OZ? My catamaran was built there. Great boat, and a great group of guys I have met from OZ on the boat forum.
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General Discussion / Re: ouch, I think I screwed up!
« on: June 15, 2011, 01:18:44 PM »
Ring Locating Pin? What is that, and where on the piston would it be? The head and jug are cast aluminum. Did you have to upjet and/or change the airbox also? Have you disabled the oil pump completely, and gone with straight premix, or are you just adding X amount of oil directly to the tank? If so, what is X? (sorry for the algebra lol)
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General Discussion / Re: asking a silly question .... (regarding apprenticeship)
« on: June 15, 2011, 12:47:26 PM »
LOL Axy,
FIAT......
Fix It Again Tony!
FIAT......
Fix It Again Tony!
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General Discussion / Re: ouch, I think I screwed up!
« on: June 15, 2011, 12:42:43 PM »
I was able to take the top end apart last night. From what I can gather the first owner installed an Airsal Big Bore Kit.
I looked at the Piston and this is what I have:
There is a pinhole through the 1 ring piston (I have never seen a 1 ring piston before). I have a few observations, assumptions, gripes.......
1. I installed a bbk on my Honda Spree. A few things were necessary in order to run properly. First, the carb needed to be up jetted. I also had to drill some hole in the airbox in order to get more air in. Airbox on my People appears to be stock with no modifications. I have not yet pulled apart the carb to see the jet. What is the stock jet size? Has anyone installed one of these and if so, what jet was used? Were there any modifications to the airbox?
2. On the Spree, it was necessary add an extra 2 oz of 2 stroke oil per gallon of gas, directly into the fuel tank to compensate for an oil pump that was only designed to handle the displacement of a 50 cc engine vs the 66 cc that the big bore kit gave me. I was not aware that a kit was installed on this scooter when I bought it. I have been driving it for over 2000 km with straight 87 octane gas in the tank, and synthetic 2 stroke injector oil in the oil tank. For those that have installed BBK's on their Kymcos, are you adding extra oil to your fuel tank to compensate, and if so how much?
3. Where do I get a replacement piston and gasket set for this BBK? I measured the piston, and it is about 47.5 mm. From what I have found on the internet, this appears to be a 72cc kit. The Stock piston is 39mm. I have ordered The stock set from Scooter Assasins, and suppose I will have to return it once it finally gets here. In the meantime I need to find a replacement piston, rings, and gasket set for this Airsal kit, preferrably here in the states.
Any inshight on any of this would be big help.
Thanks,
Todd
I looked at the Piston and this is what I have:
There is a pinhole through the 1 ring piston (I have never seen a 1 ring piston before). I have a few observations, assumptions, gripes.......
1. I installed a bbk on my Honda Spree. A few things were necessary in order to run properly. First, the carb needed to be up jetted. I also had to drill some hole in the airbox in order to get more air in. Airbox on my People appears to be stock with no modifications. I have not yet pulled apart the carb to see the jet. What is the stock jet size? Has anyone installed one of these and if so, what jet was used? Were there any modifications to the airbox?
2. On the Spree, it was necessary add an extra 2 oz of 2 stroke oil per gallon of gas, directly into the fuel tank to compensate for an oil pump that was only designed to handle the displacement of a 50 cc engine vs the 66 cc that the big bore kit gave me. I was not aware that a kit was installed on this scooter when I bought it. I have been driving it for over 2000 km with straight 87 octane gas in the tank, and synthetic 2 stroke injector oil in the oil tank. For those that have installed BBK's on their Kymcos, are you adding extra oil to your fuel tank to compensate, and if so how much?
3. Where do I get a replacement piston and gasket set for this BBK? I measured the piston, and it is about 47.5 mm. From what I have found on the internet, this appears to be a 72cc kit. The Stock piston is 39mm. I have ordered The stock set from Scooter Assasins, and suppose I will have to return it once it finally gets here. In the meantime I need to find a replacement piston, rings, and gasket set for this Airsal kit, preferrably here in the states.
Any inshight on any of this would be big help.
Thanks,
Todd
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