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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 20, 2012, 04:49:09 AM »
That may be my lean condition then, as I think I have about 4 oz per my tank right now... so, am I safe to run 40:1?  I think if I do that, its less oil, but should be a richer mixture, just want to make sure its safe to ride at that ratio.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 20, 2012, 12:09:28 AM »
I rode it 5 miles to work this morning, and it came right up to almost 50 mph with room to spare... I was pretty impressed.  I'm not seeing much smoke from the pipe, but the power is super smooth all the way from idle to full speed.  Hopefully the test with the tape over the airbox was a good enough test.  As soon as I put any tape over the holes, man, it would studder through acceleration just a bit, so hopefully I'm ok.

Should I be concerned that I don't see a bunch of smoke coming out of the pipe? 

Also, what mix should I be running per gallon again... how many ounces of oil?  I think I am running a little extra oil in this tank of fuel.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 19, 2012, 04:45:19 AM »
Ok, Peters, I follows the instructions on that link you sent me, the only difference in my test, was that I ran it at full throttle for about 30 to 40 seconds, which may have been too short of a run.  Either way, I pulled the plug, ran home on the old plug, and chopped it, and here is what I found (its hard to get a good pic of the ring, but hopefully you can see it):







So, it looks a little light, and almost 2mm thick.  I think the ring is smaller because of how short the full throttle run was.  Also, I think that the jetting is actually ok though, because I did a couple runs and it really runs strong from idle to full speed.  I got it up to just under 50mph tonight.  So, my stock airbox has 4 holes drilled in the lid.  One on the bottom, and 3 along the outer part of the lid.  All holes are about 7/16" in diameter.  So, since looking at the ring, I figured it might be a tad lean, I went ahead and put black tape over the three holes in the lid, leaving just the one in the bottom (besides the factory opening). I figured this would richen the mixture a bit, and I could see how it ran.  I made the same trip down the road, and it burbled a bit on acceleration from idle, and at speed, when I rolled into it, it would have to clear out a bit then would do ok.  I removed the tape from one hole, so now two were covered, and two open.  Still burbled a bit, but a bit better.  Took the tape off, and bam, back to great acceleration from idle to full speed.  It definitely feels the best with 4 holes open in the stock airbox.

I don't get any stumble at full speed, indicating a lean condition.  The pipe looks good, not overheated close to the cylinder, so I am hoping that I got lucky, and it is jetted ok on the main jet.

The only area I noticed  it a bit rough, is when you are just cruising, not really giving any throttle, or decelerating... the motor kind of does this fast bup bup bup bup sound.  Not smooth, but also it just kind of sounds like a 2 stroke.  It might be totally normal, just thought I would see what you guys thought about it.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 18, 2012, 01:55:03 PM »
Nice  :)

Again great documentation. Changing that throttle cable is a bi### huh?

Yea, the cable was a total pain, but even worse was threading the cable at the carb, through the carb slide, man I almost threw it across the garage trying to compress the spring, thread the cable, etc.

Ok, I have a spare plug, so I will give that a shot and see how it looks.  I'll post back when I know some more info.  Hopefully its ok for now, as I am hoping to ride it to work tomorrow, which is only about 5 miles away.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 18, 2012, 05:48:53 AM »
Ok, so here is the exhaust install... I have to say that the hardware and instructions (or lack thereof) were pretty lame.  I know its an easy install, and have done similar, so no big deal, but man, I ended up using half of my own hardware to mount it, and the nuts holding the silencer to the header are super tender, I worried I might strip them or pull the studs at any moment while tightening them.

To get the exhaust gasket to stay in the head, I put a couple small dabs of this grease on the gasket and pressed it into the head:


Picture of the hardware that came with the pipe, you can see one of the allen bolts was super long:


Good news, the clear coat on the pipe was nice, so I didn't have to paint it at all.

And on to the jetting... I installed the 110 main jet, and took it out for a ride.  It felt good, a little bobble in the middle (probably needle setting), but that is just if I ease through to high speed.  If I goose it from an idle, it accelerates great.  When I got back, I checked the plug, and here is what it looks like:





Looks greyish brown, so maybe a tad lean, but I think it looks ok... any thoughts?

Finally, a couple pics of the Scooter, it was silver, and I had the front cowl painted black, along with the headlight surround piece.  Turned out pretty good I think.




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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 18, 2012, 05:32:51 AM »
Ok, so to start off, here are the pics of the BBK and carb install:

Starting with what the carb kit looks like fresh out of the package:



BBK Parts soaking in 2 Stroke oil:


Jet Kit


Chassis without the oil tank:


Dual Cable kit removal/disassembly in preparation for the new cables to the choke and carb:


Out with the old carb:


Removal of the old throttle cable (disassemble the end at the twist throttle to give you room to remove the two cables from the center section:







New carb installed:


Stock airbox (soon to be drilled), and you can see where I mounted the choke lever:

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 16, 2012, 04:34:58 AM »
Sounds good, I'll start at 110... I'll report back tomorrow.  I have all the pics to post of the BBK and carb install as well.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 16, 2012, 03:23:30 AM »
I'm a guy, so no worries.... I think I will start at 105, and see how that does, if the plug is too light, then I'll jump straight to the 110 and see how it does.  Hopefully with a stock airbox, that will get me enough fuel.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 15, 2012, 11:48:17 PM »
Yep, I have used that stuff as well, and it works well.

Do you have a good starting point on the main jet with a stock air cleaner, the 19mm Malossi carb, and the 72cc BBK?  The stock jet was 80, I bought the jet kity that ranges from 90 to 110, and I went all over the place while trying to figure out the exhaust issue, so I think I have it at 94, but am thinking it will probably need to start around 100.

Peters, I know you are running the Technigas as well, so you and I have almost identical setups now.  Maybe you remember what main jet you are running.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 15, 2012, 11:28:12 PM »
Can anyone say for sure if the Technigas TechR below, needs to be painted?  I don't mind doing it, but wanted to see if it is in fact raw or if it comes coated at all?  Mine is showing up tomorrow, and I would love to get it installed right away... hoping to just install it, but will paint it if it is raw.

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People 50 / Re: And so it begins.....
« on: July 09, 2012, 11:51:49 PM »
I finally got confirmation on the CDI's from a couple sources.  For the 2 Stroke Kymco People 50's, the CDI is in fact the larger DC unit.  If your CDI has a green wire coming out of it, then it is the restricted version (that is, if you plug the green wire in).  The earlier CDI's (like the one in my 2001 People 50), do not have a green wire visible on the outside, and are not restricted (according to the Kymco dealer).

I have asked about coils as well, and I know the aftermarket ones are supposed to have a hotter spark, and I don't think there is any difference between a 2 stroke or 4 stroke coil, as long as you get the one with 2 spade connectors on the end, and the same mount style as our bikes take.  Someone correct me if I am wrong. 

I opted to run the original CDI on my BBK, and it works great.  Then again, I haven't tried the aftermarket CDI to know the difference.  Not sure if I will be doing a lot of riding above 9K rpm anyway.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 06, 2012, 10:58:57 PM »
Good to know. I've painted headers. Ack in my hot rod days, so I'll get some header paint and paint it hit temp black. Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know that they came raw. Now I'll grab some paint before it arrives.

Love the banshees, they make short arms longer :)

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 06, 2012, 06:38:48 PM »
Ok, so I went with the Technigas Next R:
http://www.racingplanetusa.com/exhaust-tecnigas-nextr-kymco-horizontal-p-108-1.html?cPath=2_18_110&sessID=0b7a6bfa6ae6650a1fc6b723da4d6e62

I opted for this because the price was right, $158, and it was in stock in the US, so I can actually have it by next week.  I was going to spend more for the chrome versions and even for the RS2, but all were in Europe, and I am too impatient for now, I want to get to riding this thing before I run out of nice weather.  The exhaust from my wife's 2005 sounded like the core was rattling around when I was carrying the system over to my 2001, so I am guessing that I will be buying another exhaust for her in the coming months... I'll try the Next R on my BBK scooter for now, then move it to hers, and see how the RS2 does on mine later on.

So, I am guessing that my main jet is going to be much higher.... in the order of 100 or so.  I am guessing that it was stuttering so bad due to the fact that the muffler was so plugged.  I guess I could have left the whole bike stock, and it probably would have run fine with the 125psi of compression, had I known that the exhaust was prone to plugging.  Oh well, can always use more power :D

I called the local Kymco shop, and when I told him what I found, he was like, "Oh, you had the dreaded carboned up muffler, eh?", like it was a known thing amongst 2 stroke Kymco owners... how was it that this never came up in the 5 conversations I had with them.  I've owned Banshee's, YZ250's and a bunch of other 2 stroke bikes, and have never had a pipe carbon up.  I understand with the oil in the exhaust, how it could happen, but have never had it happen, or heard of friends that have had it happen.  I mean even on old Banshee's from 1989 with stock pipes still. 

Oh well, its these experiences that make us better techs... I still love the small wins like this, especially when they feel huge.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 06, 2012, 04:58:49 PM »
Yep, that was the NYC setup that I was referring to... It looks nice, but I have no idea of how loud it is, fitment, or build quality.

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People 50 / Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« on: July 06, 2012, 02:13:46 PM »
Awe yea!!!!!!!! Jeeemoneeee crisssmassss it worked!!!!!!

I swapped out the exhaust this morning and oh my goodness, what a powerhouse!  I honestly would never have guessed that the muffler would have been the issue, but it was totally the problem.

Ok, so now I need an exhaust really quickly. Any suggestions?  I think that I saw the technigas R exhaust for $158, but also the NCY exhaust is like $260, and looks super sweet, but looks like it could be super loud too.

Thoughts?

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