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OMG people!  What a few weeks this has been!!!  I am surely hoping that this weekend I can finally get to getting everything put on the bike and dialed in.  Every time I ride this bike I can only think one thing, IT NEEDS TO MAKE SOME NOISE!  This package should be pretty good together.  My only concern is that the rear shock I purchased may not be .  It looks quite small compared to the stock but I know from years of car suspension swaps that looks can be deceiving.  I will take some pics and post as I go.  I have had my car on my plate trying to get it rolling again.  I'll be heading to the Pick n Pull tomorrow morning for some doors, headliner, and other interior parts as well as larger brakes and suspension parts.  Anyway, be on the look out and I'll post what I can as I go, might even attempt a few videos!

ScooterSteve

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Just got the headlights in today, they look well put together. I'll upload pics tomorrow. I'll take pics of the installation and talk about ease of install and where I put everything.  My shock shoul arrive next week as well. I'm taking my bike to work next week so I can work on it at my lunch break. Ah man, I'm ready to see all this come together!

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Quannon / Re: What is your Quannon top speed?
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:25:38 PM »
This was with 700 miles on the bike, a fresh oil change, fuel flush and additive, and a good flat road, no wind...  74mph indicated, just under 66mph true.  For anyone curious, I am dead at 5'11" barefoot, and 235lbs.



Seems these speedos are off some huh???

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Quannon / Re: Stiffer shock?
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:09:08 PM »
I have ordered a rear shock for my 2010.  Once it is here I will take pictures of it and the install plus whatever is needed to fit it in properly.  I am hoping for an easy swap with only preload adjustments needed.  I'll post on my thread and keep that going, I'll let you all know here that I have it and it is going.

ScooterSteve

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So some parts have arrived: camshaft, pipe, aftermarket air filter, and jets! Here are some pics, just to see them since I'm talking about them.  I'll be working on the bike this weekend and will document the progress and work needed to get this done. I'll also talk about getting the jetting set and how to read the spark plug.  It's been a fun bike to ride stock and can't wait till these mods are installed and dialed in. Last 2 items are the rear shock and front sprocket. Stay tuned!


A quick pic from the shake down ride out to Canyon Lake near home in New Braunfels

This is the lot of items arrived thus far, GPR Deep Tone pipe, larger filter area air filter, camshaft, and jets.

This pic shows the difference from the stock air filter to the aftermarket.  Perfect shape and size.  What an easy drop in upgrade! Should be able to retain the stock air box and all weather reliability.  A pod filter was the way to go till I fumbled across this filter.  Mild inlet modifications to the stock box and done!

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Quannon / Re: Unrestricting the quannon 125
« on: May 16, 2014, 12:04:33 PM »
Sadly no. I own a Mio 50 and the cdi is a standard dc type for gy6. All the arguments being made have no destination IMO. It's a dc cdi, end of story.

What I may do is find another cdi, maybe an aftermarket dc cdi for a gy6, with adjustable timing and wire that into the loop. Although it will eliminate the TPS circuit, if the new cdi has auto timing adjust as many do, then I should be able to tweak it enough to make it worthwhile.

One step at a time...  My pipe arrived and I'll post oics if the install and final outcome. The filters, jets, and cam are all set for June 2nd arrival.  I also have my headlights on the way, also June 2nd.  I stumbled onto a rear shock that may work and expect that about the same time as all the rest.  So the target is early June!

ScooterSteve

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Quannon / Re: Unrestricting the quannon 125
« on: May 13, 2014, 12:23:05 PM »
Anything is possible right? But as far as a plug and play, or cut and splice at that, I feel it's not that simple. I think the stock cdi is a variable timing output cdi based on rpm and throttle position.  Seeing that the bike is carburated there is no other reason for a throttle position sensor unless it's used for controlling spark advance/retard.  I'm sure I can wire in a cdi from a chines 150 but I don't know well it will work throughout the rev range.  I still think a cdi from a quannon naked with a 12k rpm limiter is a better way simply because it snaps into place, simple.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

ScooterSteve

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Quannon / Re: Unrestricting the quannon 125
« on: May 12, 2014, 05:14:03 PM »
TomJ: I have found that the Quannon 125 Naked has a 12K rpm limiter.  I have one on the way and will see if that actually is the truth.  I would also be interested in seeing if it makes power beyond 10K or if it's a sharp cut off.  I suspect with a pipe and cam it will taper much much less after 10K if at all vs stock after 10K.

sidthesloth: sometimes you can get lucky and use another CDI from another bike, IF! you know what you're doing.  This bike has a CDI with a lot of wiring going into it, more than power in, ground, pulse, and power out.  I have found in the wiring diagram it has a throttle position sensor and that makes me think that the ignition timing curve changes using rpm and throttle position as it's basis.  In this case I think more than a simple CDI swap from another bike is at hand.

jordon quannon: where did you find this information to do this "wire cut" mod?  What does that wire do?  What is it connected to other than the CDI?

defated: let's remember that just because on bike or engine can do something doesn't mean another can or should.  Although I agree the Quannon has more available after 10K I am not basing that from other 125 bikes being able to do it.  My saying yes is from research on Kymco bikes in the same family.  IE: Quannon Nake 125.  This bike has the same head, valves, and camshaft but a smaller cylinder bore and piston.  A 150cc kit is available for the Euro kids to be like us!  This bike and only this bike has the same engine AND a 12K rpm limiter.  It is still advertised as making peak power at 10K.  I found a CDI for this bike and determined the wiring to be exactly the same as our Quannon 150 bikes.  This should be a direct bolt on.  I only see power after 10K being available if you take further actions: exhaust, camshaft, air box mods, carb jetting etc.  Otherwise all these other components are built and designed for the peak 10K rpm and nothing more.  This could very well be the same for the Nake 125, it just revs higher and needs these very mods to be truly effective.

I have a post going and I will be testing these very things.  We will see huh?

In the mean time I will see what I can find this purple and red to be connected too before cutting.

ScooterSteve

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Hey guys, silly subject line I know, sorry...  Ehh no I'm not!  I run ScooterTweaks custom scooter shop in Austin, Tx. and have been tuning every ounce of HP out of scooters for many many years now.  I have had many bikes and wayyyy more scooters!  I was itching for a new project and decided a small CC bike was the answer.

Quick background on this purchase: I have been lurking craigslist, cycletrader, and ebay for a while now looking for a small displacement cycle and finally found a few good deals locally via CL. 2 went bust while I was literally on my way to get them, cash in hand! The third one sold the day before I could get out there to purchase. This blue 2010 being sold for $1000 was a steal! Only 600 or so miles, and been sitting in the guys garage for like 3 years. No problem to me, a simple clean and flush/fill of all fluids should do it right? Well none of that mattered cause it sold the day before remember?  Fast forward about 9 days and I see another blue Quannon for sale, this one is for $2350... UGH! None under 2 grand and I am feeling like I might have to break down and purchase at a higher price than I budgeted.  In the ad it says: "I've already had an offer of $1600 as trade in so I won't be taking less than that", so I take that as the lowest offer accepted in reality.  We speak the and he agrees to the price.  I have cash, I'm there looking at the bike, we're talking about the history of the bike etc, and something he says sparks a thought...  The answer is heartbreaking, he purchased the very blue bike I was supposed to pick up the next day for $1000.  After riding it he decided it was too slow and wanted to sell it.  I helped him profit $600 in only 10 days...  I feel like a sucker...  But then again, I purchased a bike for $1600 with only 633 miles and by no means have I found a deal this good other than when this bike originally sold for $1000.



Alright so boring story out of the way, it was time to inspect my purchase.  When I got home I cleaned the carb, put in a new battery, flushed the oil and filled with a good synthetic, replaced the spark plug, and checked the tires.  All ok so far.  The test ride indicated a few issues, after less than 1 mile of riding the bike would start to shutter and if you pulled the clutch to coast or come to a stop the engine would die.  I ran a long clear fuel line right from the petcock and a see through fuel filter outside the frame and body making a loop so I could see if there was air in the line or fuel flowing correctly.  This allowed me to see if it was a fuel starvation issue from the tank down or inside the carb itself.  Seeing as you can't see inside the carb while riding this was an easy test to verify a direction in repairing this issue.  The petcock was the issue, it was sticking shut not passing gas. (He said passing gas!)  I pulled it, cleaned it with some parts cleaner and compressed air, be gentle if you ever do this so as not to damage the rubber bladder inside, and now seems ok.  I have since clocked about 250 miles on the bike since purchasing on Thursday May 1st.  All seems well and I am finding a few things to complain about...

First impressions: good solid built bike!  Tons of fun in the city and easy to function with a light clutch lever.  I also have a Derbi GPR50R with an aftermarket clutch and clutch springs, not so light...  You can get fatigued in city driving after only 30 minutes of constant slipping of the clutch to traverse city traffic.  That and you do have to do more than normal clutch magic with a 2 stroke fitted with a pipe.  At low revs you have very little power available so RPM and clutch slip is a must!  The Quannon make good of the torque available.  I never feel like it says no.  I have only met 2 hills in 250 miles that required a downshift from 5th to 4th but that was at a GPS'd 55mph and a pretty steep hill at that.  My biggest complaint is the rear shock.  Just me at 240 lbs the frame feels solid and the motor does well, but that shock!  So flimsy and sloppy!  There isn't even an adjustable collar to increase tension!  My 120 wife hopped on board and again, the engine was taxed more but up to the task.  50mph was easy enough and I didn't feel like I had to run full throttle to achieve that.  The shock just gave up in my opinion...  So that is something that will need addressing very very soon.  The tuner that I am can't leave anything alone, so as I make changes, discover options, and test or modify this and that I will do my best to update this limited information market the Quannon resides in.





MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS!!!

As of today I have a few items on the way, a camshaft, valve springs, a high flow filter, a handful of jets, a GPR exhaust, a 16 tooth front sprocket, additional components to modify the stock air box, a CDI, and LED headlights with high/low beam.

Camshaft: best suited for a big bore which I will get into later. Should help though with a modified air box, bigger jets, high flow exhaust, higher rpm limiter, and proper tuning.
Valve springs: look to be the same as GY6 150 units.  I will run titanium NCY double sprung sets designed for upwards of 13k rpm.  I will only run 12k rpm.
air filter: as of now I will only be running a stock replacement from ebay noted as a "high flow" filter. I will see how this works for now and if needed I will make my own setup later.
jetting: I have noted a slight dip in power in the mid range mainly in 3rd gear at wide open throttle (WOT), and will up the main jet till it feels good before any other mods and will share that info for those of you wishing to stay stock or don't have the mechanical skill but still want a little more.
CDI: research has shown that the Quannon Naked 125 has the same wiring harness and electrical components.  The CDI from the Naked 125 has a limiter of 12,000 rpm vs our 10,000rpm.  This will be interesting to see what power is available after 10K!  If we need to purchase used cheap parts as replacements they can be found on Ebay.UK where tons of these bikes are sold for the younger crowd with certain licenses.
GPR exhaust: everyone has there own taste in what looks good.  My choice is a pipe from the company GPR called the Deep Tone. It is slim and compact with great build quality.  Should sound good too!  The bike already makes it power above 7,500 rpm so a free flow pipe making power in the upper mid to high end is ok with me.  It is hard to believe that I would lose enough low down to make it a bad choice.  This pipe is for the Quannon 125 with a 2 piece exhaust system.  You remove your old muffler and this is a "slip on" with the connecting mid pipe.  As our 150cc bikes have a full one piece pipe I will be forced to cut and modify for fitment.  Looks straight forward and will clamp onto the cut pipe just as the stock 125cc pipe.  The mounting hardware and locations are the same.
1 tooth up front sprocket: The power of the bike stock is pretty good.  The gearing feels a little short to me.  Although great for inner city use as soon as you hit an access road or main road of about 50mph you feel like you wish you had a little more gear and less rpm for cruising.  I also have a People 150 that is all stock other than 2 steps up on the main jet, 1 on the idle jet, and 12gram sliders in the variator.  This bike loves 50-55mph runs and doesn't just scream to do it.  The quannon has the same top speed using GPS as the People of 67mph tucked.  Before you say yours is faster I live in Texas, am 240lbs, and the bike is still new with less than 1000 miles.  Yours might be faster for many many many many many reasons.  It's not a debate....  I want the Quannon to have better performance all around than the scooter.
air box mods: the simple modification to the air box includes 4 small plastic snap in air filters.  Imagine small sponge air filters about the size of quarters that need only a hole drilled then these snap in place.  It will allow more air to flow into the stock air box as the engine revs higher, has a change in air/fuel demand from the camshaft change, and a free flowing exhaust.
LED headlights: simply put these draw only 25 watts of power each.  This will allow for running both on at the same time and retain high/low beam function.  As of now one side functions as low beam, the other high beam, and both on when you press the "passing" button.  The LED lights are brighter than the standard bulbs and with both on will draw less than one on low beam!  And being LED they don't get as hot so many wins with this mod!  The only downfall to this in my opinion is that they're longer than stock and you can't retain the rubber cover that fits over the stock light setup.  Not worth crying about IMO.

So, lots and lots to do!  Lots and lots to take pictures of and show what I find!  I will happily keep you all interested up to date as things come along.  Once I have a few moments I will take a few pictures of the work I have done so far.  Future mods will be a rear shock no doubt, removing the rear fender and relocating the license plate, adding louder horns, 180cc BIG BORE, and maybe converting to electronic fuel injection in preparation for turbocharging WHHHHHAT!  Yup, did one many years ago with good results and feel like doing another.  This bike should handle the power exceptionally well.  So we will see how this all goes.  The EFI and turbo may be well down the road as I have many other projects I know I will take on....

I invite comments, questions, and rude remarks to my posts!  Rude remarks must be made in person with gifts of coffee and donuts soon after!  Let's see what this little guy can do huh!

ScooterSteve

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People 50 / Re: White 2005 refurb and build (lots of pics!!!)
« on: January 04, 2014, 05:35:06 AM »
Well I have been quite busy with this bike, mainly riding it! I'm uploading pictures to photo bucket now and once it's all tidy tomorrow I'll slap some more up with info for everyone. Thanks for keeping an eye out guys, sorry I slacked...

BTW, it's going in a really fun direction!

ScooterSteve

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For Sale / Looking for: Super 9 water pump assembly
« on: November 21, 2013, 09:58:48 PM »
Hey Kymco family!  I'm looking for a complete Super water pump complete with housing, shaft, flywheel adapter and flywheel. Basically everything that bolts onto the crankshaft and the running gear to the pump including the housing that bolts on.

Let me know what you have and what you want for it!

Thanks

ScooterSteve

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For Sale / Re: Parting out a Red 2002 Kymco Super 9 AC
« on: November 21, 2013, 09:26:02 PM »
Hey there, still parting out that bike? I would like to purchase some items. Let me know you're still selling and I'll give you a list of things.

ScooterSteve

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People 150 / Re: People 150 Mods thus far...
« on: November 30, 2012, 02:30:45 PM »
Unfortunately it's what I currently own...  It's a curse!!!  Thank God I found a woman that doesn't mind me having lots of toys!  I do have more honestly, but they're prob not worth mentioning...  Yeah, I'm a huge scooter nerd, can't stop myself!

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People 50 / Re: White 2005 refurb and build (lots of pics!!!)
« on: November 30, 2012, 02:24:47 PM »
Ahhhhhhhhhh thanks!!!

I'll be sure to do a write up on the lights.  I'm pretty sure the wiring on the bikes is identical on the 50/150 with the addition of a few wires on the 50.  I'm going to do this on my 150 as well, I just beat myself to the punch with the new 50!  If you're not in a huge hurry I'll do a write up on my 150 too.

I know one pic link was broken but I fixed it last   night, all other pics show up on my phone and PC...  Let me know if it's still down.

Thanks again!

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People 150 / Re: People 150 Mods thus far...
« on: November 30, 2012, 06:05:41 AM »
Interesting that no one had mentioned that the bike should run faster than 50 bone stock.  My 2005 with 25K klm on the clock would indicate over 70 with stock warn belt and roller weights, just at 70 indicated with new belt and 11g Dr pulley sliders but with huge acceleration gains.  I find that slightly enlarging the main jet just a smidge made the bike perfect.  I have used GPS for true speed reading and I'm just about 10% off indicated.  I have been cruising this bike all over at true 55mph with this setup for a long time.  No I'll effects and faster than your 2009 with money thrown at it.  It's just weird that you went the other way, less with more.  I'm on board with you, free er flowing in/out of air, no restrictions, and taller tires.  However I think the stock 26mm carb is more than enough for the 150 engine and the stock exhaust is actually very free flowing.  The biggest advantage an aftermarket pipe has on this bike is less weight, great sound, and more flow if you needed it (big bore).

I will say this, my bike does amazing in traffic, in fact that's where it shines!  I run 55mph with other guys all over the hill country no prob.  For long hauls requiring more speed I have a bigger bike, not because it won't go faster but because I won't run it wide open for long anymore than I would my truck.  Especially on air cooled engines.  Usually taller tires and a performance variator is the key.  Non restricted CDI as well.  Anything else is just adding parts on an already well tuned bike until a larger bore our better flowing head.  I'm a little stumped as to why you didn't have more in stock form and why you didn't see greater changes with the work you did.  Great products by the way.  I put those on my customers bikes, love them!

Good luck with more dialing it in.  I'll put on my thinking cap with the work you've done so far and post back with anything that might be helpful.

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