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Quannon / Re: Quannon Sprockets and Mods
« on: June 29, 2013, 09:09:34 AM »
@defated 143 still sounds a little high for the sprocket set you have but I'll take your word for it. 

@bad joke  I don't know if I wrote milling the piston heads.  I thought i said just milling the heads, might have been a typo.  Milling the heads is when you take block head off the top of the engine, you take that to the machine shop and they mill/cut a very thin cross section off the base of the heads.  This brings the top of the combustion chamber closer to the top of the piston when reinstalled.  Although this constitutes a very small reduction in overall displacement, it also constitutes an increase in compression ratio which provides more torque.  Same amount of fuel and air but more compression.  Horsepower is a measure of work which is energy and distance.  The energy comes from the fuel, so same amount of fuel = same amount of horsepower generally speaking.  Torque is an analog of force which translates into acceleration as Force = Mass x Acceleration.  So more force, same mass = more acceleration.
The primary risks associated with this modification are three fold.  1) too much metal is removed resulting in collision between valves and piston head  2) Too much heat generated by the extra compression results in early detonation of the fuel (thus cooler spark plug).  This phenomenon is observed in diesel engines that only use a "glow plug" to start and then ignite fuel by compression alone.  3)  Improper surface roughness can cause the head gasket to seal poorly and you lose your extra compression and leak fuel and oil.

So its not without risk but it is relatively inexpensive and almost all but high output engines usually have enough clearance to take off a few thousandths.  The same procedure can be done on the base of the jugs/block and occasionally a thinner head gasket can be utilized to accomplish the same thing, with the added benefit of being capable of returning to stock with a simple gasket.  One more option is to purchase a domed piston which increases compression by simply adding more material to the top of the piston ( these tend to be expensive and they can take a lot of research find the right one for your bore and stroke)

As for the Carburetor mods, these sound more complicated than they are, The shims are often just little washers that adjust anchoring points, Jets are unscrewed and new jets are screwed in.  So long as you really pay attention and follow provided instructions you probably be just fine.

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Quannon / Re: Quannon Sprockets and Mods
« on: June 27, 2013, 06:39:44 PM »
So here's the update.  the website is www.wemoto.com for the 16t and 17t front sprockets.  So I installed the 17t sprocket, clearance was not an issue, perfect fit, easy install.  New top speed is 70mph at 8100rpm.  On flats I can reach 75mph, but this is not really sustainable and I don't like running those revs.  The power band is now more effective for my driving (rural highways and around town).  I can now get on freeways and keep pace with traffic.  I got my carburetor kit but it is not yet installed.  The main reason for this is that I run very lean at high revs this usually due to limitations of the Carb, exhaust, and filter.  The filter box is extremely restricitve on this bike so I'm going to pull it out and replace it with a cone filter. The Carb appears to be the limiting factor though. A few thoughts on this... This could be due to in adequate float height, meaning that there is not enough fuel in the float bowl to sustain consumption at high revs, thereby limiting power production and detonation due to lean mixture.  Secondly inadequate main jet size, again limiting fuel supply to the engine at high revs causing detonation.  According to my own research and experience the remedy would be to increase the main jet size, shim or bend the floats, most likely both along with a couple other jet replacements.  Also considering running a cooler plug that will draw more heat out of the combustion chamber thereby decreasing detonation.  With an increased fuel supply, I'll then open up the filter and modify the spark arrestor in the exhaust to allow a little more flow.  This would be useless without modifying the carburetor becasue the fuel supply is inadequate now.  I confirmed this by pulling the filter completely and doing a quick full throttle run down the road, The bike simply ran more lean, no increase in power except a little at low revs, top end remained the same.  The limiting factor is definitely the fuel supply.  I'll only do stepwise modifications I'm not into chasing issues.  So... Step 1 carb kit, Step 2 Filter, Step 3 Spark arrestor aperture.  If the detonation doesn't cease then I will go to a cooler spark plug.  If all these mods go well, then I will consider milling the head.  @thesurgeonistherobot  - I'm not planning on racing this bike at all, my goal is to increase its useability.  70mph(~120kph) is not achieved easily on this bike and that is the speed limit on the local freeways, on steep inclines I can't maintain 50 mph.  Moreover, I'm only conducting cost effective modifications, the carb kit cost 39$ the sprocket 13$ and a new filter is around 7-15$,  exhaust mod is a drill bit that I already own, milling the head is about 1 hr of shop time (I'd pull the head myself)   @ defated  I don't know how youre getting 143kph out of a quannon 150,  with 17t front and stock rear sprocket, I'm rpm limited to about 125 kph(~10,500rpm),  I have not confirmed this with gps yet, but I will very soon.  143kph sounds like a gross exaggeration to me.  I've seen this a couple times, some guy on this forum claimed that the stock quannon did 80mph and that some other owners bike was obviously not running well.  There's no way this is true unless there are different stock gearing setups for this bike, of which I've seen no evidence at all. 

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Quannon / Quannon Sprockets and Mods
« on: June 17, 2013, 08:34:56 AM »
So I found a company in the UK that, so far as I can tell, ships to the USA.  They sell +1 and +2 front sprockets for the Quannon 125.  So that's 16t and 17t front sprockets.  As far as I can tell, and according to everything I've read, they use the same sprocket sets.  So I ordered both a 16t and 17t in case there is clearance issues with the 17t. (calculators say 68mph instead of 60mph at same RPM)  Not expensive.  You have to search for "Quannon 125 sprockets" though.  I also bought a Carb Jet kit off Amazon, they asked for exact model, year, any mods and my altitude so they could send me the right Jets.  I'm gonna give it a shot, I'd like a little more top end out of this thing and make highway riding a little more comfortable.  I'm also planning on cracking open the airbox later this week and checking clearances, maybe I can fit a cone filter.  I've seen one exhaust kit out there but its wholesale, so I'd need to find some dealer to order it for me and I'm not ready to shell out the 300$. Anyone try any mods yet?  I'm starting to look for high compression pistons, but I'm thinking I'm gonna really have to get into the specs for that.  Another option is milling the heads, haven't checked on the cost for this yet so if anyone has experience with it I'd love to hear about it.  Neither will probably happen anytime soon as I'm still under warranty.  (I can make a quick sprocket or airbox swap and still get warranty service at the dealer)  Piston or Head swap, not so much.

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