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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: October 17, 2014, 12:46:20 AM »
Well the first spring I did, or tried to.  Then I saw that video of a probably Chinese kick starter being installed.  No such preload on that one.  My first spring looks messed up now that I tried to wind it that far.  So I got a second one.  I may give it another shot.  Spent a real long time on it already.

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: October 12, 2014, 11:06:44 PM »
Update

Bought a new race variator kit from Scooter Assassins for less than 40 shipped.  Bam!  Takeoff problem solved.  Still have no clue on the kicker.  Just got done trying my new spring.  Still haven't tried shimming the cover though.  Anyone know the proper recipe on the shims?  Washers aren't terribly expensive so I guess trial and error on that is my next move.  Only thing is, that would entirely defeat the purpose of a gasket.  So all kinds of crap that doesn't belong would be headed for the belt and the parts around it.  Anyone want to buy an electric starting ZX 50 in Sacramento?  Goes 55 on slight downhills.  50 on level.  All the lights work!  Everything works, just not the kick start.  Lots of nice new parts on it.

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: August 13, 2014, 04:17:23 PM »
Replaced fuel tank, fuel valve, fuel filter.  All the old parts were rusted or affected by rust, even though the valve and the filter were pretty new.  Well, with fresh gas and no more incoming rust particles, still the same result.  Dreadfully long takeoffs.  I'm thinking it's somewhere in the variator or carb.  We shall see.

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: August 12, 2014, 08:07:18 PM »
What a mystery machine.  You know what?  I'll just have to get back to you guys on this.  I mean, I drove it at least 10 miles and there's no smoke coming out of the exhaust.  So, what I'm thinking the reason for my slow takeoffs is either:

1. faulty fuel valve (I have a rusty fuel tank)
2. too much grease on the slider weights
3. carburetor issue

You can see a nice amount of oil leaking out the air filter, which I would expect from twisting the throttle.  When you twist the throttle, it opens up the oil pump as well as the carb.  So I don't know, sounds like a fuel issue.  We'll see.

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: August 11, 2014, 03:55:05 PM »
Finally got it started.  Turns out it was 2 things preventing it from starting.  The first being my half moon gear's spring no longer looks nice and straight like it does in the manual (installed).  So the whole kick start mechanism was taking a ride with the crank when I tried to electrically start.  So I swapped covers for my other cover that doesn't have any kick start parts.  Then second, realized (actually I realized this first), the engine was flooded with oil.  How much of it was from unsuccessful starts and how much of it was from who knows what, maybe a leaky oil pump, I wasn't sure.  Because when I tilted her over and cranked out the excess, it left a good size puddle on the cardboard floor.  Anyway now my main concern is getting the oil out of the exhaust.  Any helpful hints on that?  I know it has oil in it because the cylinder did, and plenty of it escaped through the intake side as well.  So, if I know there was oil coming out the spark plug hole, and the intake manifold, and now you have to scoot it with your foot in order to get the engine to rev up, then that makes me pretty sure I have an exhaust to clean out.  Any helpful hints on how to do that?  Just run it out?  Degrease it?

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: August 06, 2014, 04:23:32 PM »
Good points, there.  Well I followed the video on installing the dr. pulley sliders, rethreaded my crank, installed together with new kymco washer and nut.  Put the cover and gasket on, and nothing.  Same problem.  True I have a Malossi variator, and a straight boss, BUT it all worked together before my belt snapped.  It had worn out roller weights in it, seems to be the only difference.  Slightly worn starter gear parts.  All I can think of now is maybe I should replace my sliders with rollers?  But why?  Why would my sliders not work?  OK I lied, there's another thing I can think of.  The 3 piece slide parts I got for my variator.  I got them because when I took it apart, there were none.  Unfortunately I got them from a generic scooter part supplier and they barely fit the plate.  So I guess my next move is order the stock piece slides and stock roller weights and then see what happens.  I'll try it first with the no piece slides with stock roller weights.  Then if that doesn't work I'll try stock piece slides with stock roller weights.  Then if that doesn't work I'll try stock piece slides with sliders.  Then if that doesn't work I don't know what else I could be doing wrong.

Edit: just saw that shimming technique you guys posted.  Might have to try that first!

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: June 25, 2014, 09:58:48 PM »
OK well I don't know which boss I have but I can tell you that it worked fine before (the kick start).  Before that fateful day when my spring came loose.  So it had the unknown boss (aftermarket), no washer, half a gasket.  Just got word from kymcopartsonline that they changed the special washer and nut to a single piece flange nut.  Which they threw in with me start relay for waiting so long.  Slowly but surely...

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:35:36 PM »
OK well the special washer is part 98.  It is described as WASHER SPECIAL 12MM.  Anyway, if the washer I got at the hardware store is any different in specialness / thickness, then that could be when my kick start doesn't work.  Same with the nut.  But, since my engine doesn't want to turn over smooth (since installing the new sliding rollers), then I very well could have installed those wrong.  Easily.  So thanks for the vid there, I'm definitely going to use that soon.

Side note:  The reason the threads got stripped, so I thought, was only because I mistakenly used an impact wrench on the nut.  But, in retrospect, stripping the threads was made easier by the fact that whoever was in there last, left out the washer!  So they snugged the nut all the way down the shaft, effectively screwing up the end of the threads.  Lazy.

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: June 24, 2014, 11:00:11 PM »
Sounds like you already know what I'm talking about.  I already re-threaded it with a die which worked at first, but then my dumb ass had to crank on it some more just to show my friend the engine still turns over.  Then the new nut got stripped.  Not sure about the threads on the shaft actually, I was planning to run the die over them again just to be safe.  Come to think of it, when I was cranking on it, I felt a good deal of resistance.  Like maybe the wrong slide pieces or sliding rollers in there.  16x13 dr. pulley though.  I absolutely agree the last thing I want to do is replace the crank, though!

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: June 24, 2014, 04:45:18 PM »
I finally installed the kick start mechanism properly in the belt cover.  The video really helps, and using the kick lever to rotate the kick gear really helps too.  When I put it back on the engine, it won't move.  When I got it, it was missing the "special washer" that goes behind the crankshaft nut.  Not realizing how special it was, I bought a regular flat washer and threw it on.  That could be the whole reason why I'm not getting movement - not enough clearance between the crank nut and the driven gear.  So a new special washer is on the way.  The other thing it could be - correct me if I'm wrong, it's not right in front of me - is the 3 slide pieces I just installed on the variator plate.  I got them from partsforscooters for some reason.  Oh yeah, getting parts from kymcopartsonline is a nightmare, that's right.  Anyway, those were an extremely tight fit and not the exact shape they should be.  Not sure if the thickness is any different though.  It's a Malossi, and when I got it, those pieces were missing.  Would that hurt anything?  I'm thinking it's better to have no slide pieces than the wrong ones, maybe.  On top of that, I ruined the threads on the crankshaft, twice.  Might be looking at a new one of those, too.  Wish me luck!

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: June 12, 2014, 07:46:53 PM »
Just saw this Youtube vid:

Which helps a great deal.  I guess the secret to finding that was searching for a scooter kick start assembly rather than a zx 50-specific kick start assembly.  Since they're all real similar it doesn't really matter.  The only worrying thing I can think of now is that I may have overextended my new spring and it may never sit flat like it should.  I'll let you guys know how it turns out in a couple days.

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: June 12, 2014, 03:33:24 PM »
I tried different ways of putting it together.  As far as spring placement on the half moon gear, I tried one maybe both of the notches, I tried the hole.  I tried preloading the spring, I tried not.  No matter how I put it together, it won't kick over when I put it on the bike.  So that makes me think.

I eventually consulted the manual and found the correct way to hook up the spring, but it's just a 2D view and doesn't account for how the spring should look under the half moon gear.  Very frustrating.  I tried shoving it down and around the shaft bushing area (kick starter spindle forcing part, according to the manual) on the case, but that seems impossible.  All it says about a screwdriver is "If the hooks of the return spring can not be installed properly, use a screw driver
to press them into their locations respectively."  And that's not my issue at all, putting the spring hooks where they belong is easy without a screwdriver.

All I know is a) my spindle has endplay b) my spring won't wrap around the forcing part (isn't it supposed to?) and c) no-go on the kicker!

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zx50 / Re: ZX-50 Kick Starter
« on: June 12, 2014, 02:23:22 AM »
Can anyone provide more detail regarding the small screwdriver?  Pictures would help me out a great deal here.  I already took it to 2 different scooter shops in town, one of them being a Kymco service center.  They were pretty clueless on this procedure.  Which notch or hole does the spring connect to on the half moon gear?  Does the spring have to be below the top of the part of the case where the kick shaft goes through?  I must have spent a whole 8 hours on this so far, coming up short!

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zx50 / Re: Wrong Start Relay?
« on: May 14, 2014, 05:58:54 PM »
Hey thanks for the tip.  I know the relay is functioning because the starter does crank.  I will check the brake switch and re-check the start switch.  Sounds like a logical place to look if the relay is new and sufficient, just like the starter.  After reading the manual, I do believe the fuse is 7.5A.  The fuse is still good.

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zx50 / Wrong Start Relay?
« on: May 13, 2014, 03:46:48 PM »
The 2001 ZX 50 came with a 30 amp start relay.  When I got my ZX 50, a 30A relay is exactly what it had.  When I finally installed a new starter (old one tested bad), I found it had no current going to it when I hit the start switch.  So now I started investigating everything.  I tested the start switch and the start relay.  The start relay tested bad.  So I ordered a new aftermarket 30A start relay off ebay through dragonparts0204.  When I got it, it had 20A stamped on it.  Based on my limited understanding, that may or may not be good enough to get the job done.  What do you guys think?  I get a weak cranking half the time and no cranking the other half.  It used to fire up just fine with my kick start, but I removed that when I installed the starter.  Planning to get new parts.  First they told me the factory makes 30 amp relays and writes 20A on them all the time.  Then they told me they sold hundreds of those and it doesn't matter if it is 10, 20, 30, or 40 amp - it should still work fine.  Not sure if I believe them thoroughly.

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