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People 250 / Re: People S250 loses power with throttle wide open
« on: August 01, 2017, 04:01:15 AM »
Had forgotten i posted in this one so good that someone replied. I have had two instances with similar though not exact behavior, wont go into details but will tell you what fixed it.

1) carburetor diaphragm had a hairline crack in the fold that was a pita to troubleshoot. Once i finally found it and replace it no further issues. (you can search threads and find it with much more detail).

2) another time it was the sparkplug, didnt make any sense but changed the plug and all disappeared immediately. Plugs are cheap you should always have a spare on hand, if its been awhile or you dont remember on plug change might be worth a check

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General Discussion / Re: What are you using for oil drain pan for low clearance models?
« on: March 29, 2017, 10:13:37 PM »
Thanks all, can definitely make something here work, love the tupperware idea as i am sure we have some old stuff that i can get rid of.

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General Discussion / What are you using for oil drain pan for low clearance models?
« on: March 29, 2017, 03:18:22 PM »
I have been meaning to pick up an oil drain pan but my people s250 has really low clearance and is bottom drain. On stand only have about 8 inches floor to plug, that doesnt leave much room to remove plug by hand and also have a container in place. I have been dealing but dealing means making a mess because i have to slide something in place after pulling plug and that is never a clean process. So my ask if what drain pans / containers / other are you using for low clearance scooters?

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People 250 / Re: People S250 loses power with throttle wide open
« on: March 27, 2017, 07:36:37 PM »
Any luck? I am experiencing something similar not exact but close enough. The last time this happened to me it was a hairline crack in the vacuum diaphragm and took me quite a long time to find. This behavior feels similar and acts alot like this one for you, just wondering if you found anything else as it also will be me another place to look.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: April 20, 2016, 02:56:01 AM »
San Diego funny, thats where i am as well so know what you speak of well. My previous battery was same "sealed" type. Use a small screw driver and pull the plug you used to fill it, i guarantee most if not all your cells will be low. I refilled it and it would hold a charge for several days then start to act funny. Purchased a replacement super cheap online, it arrived in a few days and is a real sealed battery (no plugs), you can install it on its side if you wish. It came charged and sits comfortably a week without issue and fires right up when i go to turn it on no matter the temps outside. PM me if you want the site i used am Ill look it up.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: March 30, 2016, 01:00:42 PM »
Last and final update for me.

Never discount your battery if you have odd behavior that seems it could be electrical related, i dont care what your multimeter or tester says. Long story short, finally checked cell fluid levels and they were all low. Filled with distilled water and though everything worked just didnt work right. Voltage showed 12.5v +/- .1 and electronic tester showed good (kind they use at automotive shops). But things were just off, on a whim i purchased a new battery to test. New battery showed up at 13.15 volts and sits at that voltage all the time. Been a couple days now and things are what i would consider back to normal. First time ever for me across 10's of owned vehicles with lead acid batteries that anything like this has ever happened. Goes to show you can teach an old dog new tricks.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:19:06 PM »
Thats just it, if it was a compression issue they are generally opposite. Worn rings for instance, very low compression when cold but once warm, metal expands and compression increases. But this behavior is 180 degrees out of phase of that. I have no explanation why compression (seems like but not sure its the issue) would be great cold and not so great warm but only directly related to starting. Running feels the same all the time.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: March 11, 2016, 05:10:03 PM »
Similar but not quite same same. So for the more technically inclined it acts exactly opposite of bad rings. Its almost as if it cant build compression when hot but I dont see that as the real issue because after starting it runs great. Idles perfect and accelerates no different than any other time. In real world timing, morning start is perhaps 1 second and acts normal. Warm,hot or basically most of the rest of the day after its been made good and hot, perhaps 2 - 2.5 seconds. Its not alot of cranking or what i would call hard starting its just a few more cranks than when cold and not a "fire". I have figured out over time the starter sound changes to where it sounds like its no longer working to turn the motor. Once i hear that i let off and its idling.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: March 11, 2016, 03:51:04 AM »
So original issue is resolved, turned out to be the battery even though it didnt appear to be so with voltage reading. I have a residual problem if need be i will start a new thread on. But quickly simply this, cold start is perfect (cranks then fires and roars to life). However hot start never really fires it just starts running. Really hard to explain but basically the starter spins up the motor (maybe 3 seconds) it never makes that initial fire im starting sounds. I can just tell its running so i let off the starter and its idling. Its odd behavior for sure but not like i need to pump gas or do anything different. Its starts just fine but never makes that initial fire pop like it does when its cold.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: March 07, 2016, 05:46:27 AM »
So why chatting with my neighbor came to find out he has an electronic tester, even with the cells low it showed good. After filling the cells and charging i can tell you for sure its the battery. I have started it now 5 times over the course of an hour and it fires like it should on the first crank. I cannot say that this battery will hold a charge but i am sure the battery is the key player in the weird issues i have been having. Im just floored at myself that i lived with it not starting very well for so long. Makes sense now after the fact seeing how low the electrolyte level was. This has been going on a long time. My only concern now is if this one got ruined or not from my charging it in the state it was in. I am going to put some time on it over the next couple weeks and will report back conclusively at that time. Though i feel really good right now, the pop it now has on firing it hasnt had in quite a long time.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: March 06, 2016, 11:35:04 PM »
I always have to chuckle at how this scooter has a mind of its own. Long and short of it, I finally put carb back on (basic go over no issues found). After initially cranking to get fuel down line into carb, fired right up. Shut it down turned it back on several times no real issue. a few times 1-2 seconds of cranking but always fired right up. Rode to gas station refueled came back home, went to start and just cranking. So getting a bit frustated put volt meter back on with light off 12.6v with light on 12.15ish, cranking 11ish. Put charger on battery for 2 minutes and it fired right up. After all this i am leaning towards battery being the issue and am mad at myself for letting it fool me.  I am going to do some research now but any one have a sure fire way to test battery without the use of a tester? Battery is a walmart everstart that is on the order of 18 months old.

Update:

Pulled the battery cover and all of the cells were low with 3 of them showing exposed plates. Filled with distilled water and now its on a slow charge.  Will update when i know for sure.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: February 20, 2016, 08:03:59 PM »
Quote from: mrbios on February 04, 2016, 11:11:51 PM

Kymco Rear brake light - watch out for this.  As the scooters age 6 years + regardless of miles.  The contact on the rear brake light switch corrodes.  If you don't see your rear brake light come on when you squeeze the left brake light - the scooter will not start (verify that your rear brake light works and that the bulb is ok). 


Interesting insight. My right brake level became very intermittent with starting but the left has never been an issue. Light continues to work on both. Battery i dont think so but maybe, will have to test voltage, though it was replaced less than a year ago and i put it on the charger every few weeks. What i do find interesting though and may be part of the problem is the auto bystarter varies greatly in resistance based on when i check it. Pulled it and checked it cold and it was 50 ohms. I thought man thats kinda high i bet it doesnt work (also seems like its extended farther out then it should be cold). Hooked it to power and it slowly extended some. Pulled it from power and tested ohms and it was 15ish. Was 15 for 15 minutes or so, put it down and figured let me check it again. Back to 45, does anyone know off hand the length of the choke pin cold. This one is just about 3/4", im leaning towards this being part if not all of the issue but usually when they fail they fail closed not open or partially open. Since i have carb pulled ill pull it apart and check it out as well.

Let me also toss this out, when it eventually starts (slightly holding open throttle usually) fast idle seems to work and it otherwise runs fine. However getting it good and warm, it still wont start very well. Sometimes fires immediately, sometimes not at all just cranks...... input....?


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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: January 19, 2016, 01:11:11 AM »
Good call on plug, it looks good with nice clear spark. Carb is pulled just havent yet had time to disassemble and give a good cleaning. Appears was flooded though as plug was really wet. Once more thing to think about for sure.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: January 05, 2016, 05:50:46 PM »
So had a few minutes last night to look, under seat plastic removes (i forgot about that) and makes getting too solenoid very easy. Put an ohm meter on it and it was wide open. Took it out and whacked it a few times to break loose inside, works fine now though does not start well still. Backfired on me good too. I am leaning towards fouled plug at the moment and am hoping to check it out sometime this coming weekend.

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People 250 / Re: s250 need hard / no starting guidance
« on: January 02, 2016, 01:16:28 AM »
after posting i went digging around and eventually just opened the manual i have. The manual says the same, so ill pull it apart eventually and check it out. I havent started to look but looks like quite a bit of plastic has to come off to get to solenoid. Going to take a good week before i get some time but will post back when get it working. Though i am not sure this is the reason its not starting correctly.

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