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Agility 125 / Re: Shuddering and kicking starting
« on: November 21, 2014, 04:56:43 AM »
OH! That video makes it look super easy. I have impact tools no problem. Guess I will give it a try tomorrow, and order up the cheaper kick start spindle.  With the whole regulator issue I am careful about what cheap parts I order since it doesn't come out cheaper to order parts twice.

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Agility 125 / Shuddering and kicking starting
« on: November 20, 2014, 08:50:13 PM »
Kicking starting, when I got my scooter back from the cops the kick starter lever was under the seat and it had broken off the end of the kick starter spindle.  Would a generic gy6 spindle fit? I found a company that is selling them for $8 and the OEM item is $24.  Not expensive for the oem but them 3X the cost of the generic, but don't want to have to buy the generic and then it wont fit.

Also I am getting a lot of shudder when the clutch is engaging.  I have tried the hold the brake and hit the gas and it helps a little but comes back almost immediately.  My question is do I need the clutch spring compressor or is there a work around?  The specialized tool is kind of pricy.  And can the clutch drum be resurfaced by an automotive shop? I am thinking just get new pads and resurface the drum and know it is fixed.


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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: November 14, 2014, 04:21:29 PM »
I feel the need to apologize to you BettinANDlosing, when I saw your post this morning I thought "of course I checked that do you think I am stupid".  Well turns out I am stupid, went out and it was off.  I thought well I am sure I turned it on at sometime yesterday, clicked it to on and hit the starter and it started right up.  Guess I am not half the mechanic I like to think I am.  Anyway thanks for the reply BettinANDlosing and you were right it was the kill switch.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: November 13, 2014, 09:16:01 PM »
     Well I think I am pretty much done with this scooter.  I take one step forward and two steps back.  Was running pretty good yesterday and today wont run at all.  All I want really want to do at this point is burn it to the ground.

     Went out this afternoon and it wont start.  Took everything apart again and fuse still good, fuel going thru the filter.  Took the plug wire off and grounded to the head with the old spark plug and no spark at all.  So I put the old cid back in, no spark.  Put the old coil back in, no spark.  Checked the old and new coil, both good.  Checked the pulser coil and it is within spec, but still no spark.  Checked the continuity from the black/yellow wire from the cid to the coil and it is good.  I put my volt meter on the black/yellow wire and cranked and didn't see anything but then I wasn't sure I would since only pulses it, still seems like I should see some kind of blip.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: November 13, 2014, 12:53:18 AM »
     Finally go the parts in, I order body parts along with the regulator.  Put it in and started it up, 13 volts at idle and 14.5 volts when revved up.  So I guess there is a difference from the cheapo part to the Kymco one.

     Got all the body parts on and took it for a test ride.  Of course it died and I had to push it all the way back home.  Checked the fuses and they were all good still.  Pulled the seat off again (I am getting good at that) and it looked like no fuel in the fuel filter.  Pulled the fuel filter and bypassed it with a hose and it started up again.  So replaced the lines and the fuel filter, which did have some junk in it but not much, and it started up.  Took it for about a 10 mile run and it seemed to run pretty good.  Will take it for a longer run tomorrow and see how it holds up.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 25, 2014, 10:37:44 PM »
I got it online and it did not say kymco, but the person I talked to said it would work.  I have some body panels to order so I will order a new reg. with them for the full price on Monday or Tuesday.  Will let you know what is up with it when I get a replacement.  I did not measure the voltage before I replaced it so I cant say that was a problem before the generic reg, only that it blew the fuse for some reason and kept blowing it.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 25, 2014, 08:33:18 PM »
I put a wire from the regulator mounting nut to the neg terminal of the battery.  I went with the battery since the neg wire from the battery goes to the chassis ground at the same point the ground strap to the engine ground connects.  I then started and checked the voltage and still running up to 16 volts when revved up.  So I connected another ground wire to the green wire from the regulator and ran it to the battery also.  Still running up to 16 volts when revved up.  What surprised me was that it did not blow the fuse.  I was expecting it to blow the fuse if I ran it without getting it fixed.  Not sure where to go from here, do you think that those wires have to go to chassis ground and not the battery?

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 25, 2014, 12:52:18 AM »
I assume by canister you mean the one up by the seat? If so it is disconnected, still on the scooter but disconnected from the vacuum lines.  I got a plug today to remove the large tube from the top of the head and plug that tube up.

On the electrical, was looking around today and noticed that the fuse for the battery did not have a fuse in it, the people that stole it had removed the fuse and crimped the two sides together to short it out.  So while I don't know why the system is overvolting I at least know why it was melting the plug and the wires at the voltage regulator.  I tested the resistance from the regulator bolt to the battery negative terminal and it was not 0.  So going to run the wire like recommended.  I also noticed the headlight bulb was burned out, not sure if that is a symptom or a cause but got a new bulb I will put in tomorrow. 

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 24, 2014, 06:19:11 PM »
Lets face it sometimes life likes to kick you when you are down.  So contrary to the first sentence I have had some continued success.

     I started out pulling the plug and looking at it. I opened the gap to the max the book stated since I was putting in a hotter coil.  The plug looked fine, I then unplugged the vacuum lines to everything but the fuel petcock and a line going to the carb.  It still ran like crap.  So I pulled the carb and put in the spare. Started it up and it ran pretty good.  I put all the tuperware back on and got ready to take it for a test spin.  After putting it on the side stand I thought I should check the tire pressure real quick. Came back with the pressure gauge and fuel was everywhere on the ground.  This is where I felt like I was being kicked while I was down.  :'(   Anyway, pulled everything back off and pulled the carb again (I am getting good at this) and looked at the float bowl overflow.  I could not see a problem but thought "I bet the original carb float bowl is the same size".  Took it off and swapped it and no more leak.  Back on went the plastics and off I went on the test ride.

     Good news: it ran smooth ran up to a indicated 60 and seemed to have its normal power (well maybe a little low).  Bad new it was smoking the whole time, did not notice till I stopped at the top of a hill, then smoke everywhere.  Also the voltage at the battery is high, 13 volts at idle but up to 15.7 or so when revved.

     On the smoking, I checked the oil when I got back and it was the correct level, I am not sure if maybe there is excess oil and fuel still in the exhaust? or if it is something else.

     On the maybe lack of power (it has been over 6 months since I last road it so not really sure as I don't remember well) it feels like maybe the throttle isn't twisting as much as I remember....or I am just comparing it to my motorcycle, I don't know.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 24, 2014, 12:04:06 AM »
     Oh! I cant believe I forgot to check the voltage, I meant to do that too.  I did check the connectors and they were not hot again.
     I did change the oil again today for the second time.  It is whiteish smoke I would say.  I did replace the plug earlier but will pull it again tomorrow. I also have a new coil for it and cdi, but not putting the cdi until it is running right.  Still not adverse to the idea of bypassing all the emissions crap but not sure what needs have a vacuum to it and what doesn't.  Over all I am happy with the progress but feel like now I am getting to the hard part, that is getting the carb to work correctly.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 23, 2014, 10:44:21 PM »
Got the new petcock put in.  Started it up and it started ok, bit more cranking then it used to need when running great, but it did start.  Let it idle for 30 seconds or so and then gave it some gas.  At first it was still throwing liquid fuel out the exhaust.  Let it run for awhile longer thinking that if there was still gas in the smog system it might take a bit for it to get all out.  Sure enough after about 2 minutes of running I could rev it up and no gas.  However it is not running right, more smoke then I would expect and it wont idle (it was idling ok when cold) and when revved up it starts to stumble and wont rev past a certain point and really starts to smoke.  Think I am going to let it cool off and tomorrow I will swap the carbs again and see if it runs better with the other carb.  If it doesn't then.... well I am not sure but seems like it is a carb issue now.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 21, 2014, 06:39:49 PM »
I have good news!  So I changed out the oil and put in the new voltage regulator.  I could not get a new plug in time (still 7 to 20 days out) so I just put individual  connectors on each wire.

     I also bought a vacuum test gauge and started in on the vacuum system, first thing I did was hook up the vacuum gauge to the fuel petcock thingy on the bottom of the tank.  When I applied vacuum to it fuel came out the vacuum tester.  So I have a new one on the way and will get that swapped out soon.  I then put a clamp on the vacuum line to the fuel petcock and tried starting the engine.  It actually started and idled for the first time since I got it back.  However when I gave it a little gas I could see liquid start to form around the end of the exhaust so it is better but not fixed completely.  I am hoping that that is just residual fuel still in the vacuum system but am not going to run it anymore till I get the new fuel petcock.  I feel like I am narrowing in on the problem now and sill soon get my little guy running again.

    While running the new voltage regulator and new plugs did not smoke and did not get warm to the touch so I am hopeful there also.

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 16, 2014, 10:24:30 PM »
After thinking for a day about the problems I came up with nothing, so I went out to tinker and hope something came to me.  When I went out I noticed a black thick looking fluid from up under the scooter kind of where the battery is.  Looked up inside there where some part of the vacuum system is and there was evidence of fuel there.  Went to start the scooter and it would not crank over.  Pulled the plug and fuel leaked out, and when cranked it shot out.  I am starting to think vacuum problem putting way to much fuel in??  I cant find any good charts in the manual that explains what each vacuum line does and what way it is sucking and or blowing.

On another note I pulled the reg/rec off and the red wire plug pulled out of the reg/rec and the plug is burned at the red wire. The red wire goes to the battery, so going to order a new one of those and find a new plug I guess.  Done with cranking at least until I get that under control.

I would like to take a moment and thank everyone that has responded.  I know it is a pain in the ass to try and diagnose a problem over the internet like this.


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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 14, 2014, 12:20:16 AM »
What was throwing me off is the little item above 19 and 20.  It is in the manual too, yet I don't have that item.  Anyway I bought a used carb and put it on.  No difference at all.  The scooter is either putting way way to much fuel in or the plug cant ignite it.  I took the bolt out of the exhaust and when cranking the engine it wont start but fuel is spraying out the hole, then when you stop cranking it drops out.  This is with both carbs, same thing.  I am starting to learn towards coil, maybe not strong enough? Or something else like that, just cant believe that two carbs both have the same problem at the same time.  But any advice is appreciated in getting this sorted out. 

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Agility 125 / Re: Trouble with my recovered scooter
« on: October 13, 2014, 07:04:55 PM »
Getting fuel into my card is not the problem right now.  I have so much fuel going in that it is coming out the exhaust as a spray.

Question: the manual shows a slow jet, main jet, needle jet holder and a needle jet.  In my carb I have a slow jet, main jet on the top of the needle jet and the needle jet, but nothing on the bottom of the needle jet like the picture shows.  Am I missing a piece? or is the picture trying to show what is going on inside the needle jet holder?

I did find a little piece of something on the end of the slow jet, so maybe that was the problem?  The manual says to "Install the slow jet, needle jet, needle jet holder, main jet and pilot screw" (still haven't taken it out yet) the is says "standard opening 2+- 1/2 turns.  So how do I put these back in? Is there a special way? I am sure you can tell I don't know anything about carbs.

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