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chieninhouston

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Place engine oil in the final drive??
« on: September 11, 2009, 10:27:31 AM »
I like my P250. Now is my everyday drive. Decided to sell my Suzuki Boulevard C50 (still selling), and go completely automatic. Got myself a 2008 Honda Silver Wing for longer tours just last week. The recommended final gear oil for Silver Wing is just the same as the engine oil. First I could not believe it, but difference sources seem to confirm that it was fact, yes just one kind of oil for both engine and final drive.

I put the gear oil in my P250 final drive as our manual suggested. Thought to myself, it would be wonderful if I could just use one kind of oil for both. So, I don't have to keep those pints of gear oil around. Has anyone used engine oil in their Kymco's final drive?

What's the difference between these 2 oils?
What's the difference in the final gears between Kymco and Honda?

Curious mind wanted to know.  Thank you a bunch. :D
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James Chien
2006 People 250
2008 Honda Silver Wing  "MYPONY"

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Re: Place engine oil in the final drive??
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2009, 01:36:11 PM »
I like my P205. Now is my everyday drive. Decided to sell my Suzuki Boulevard C50 (still selling), and go completely automatic. Got myself a 2008 Honda Silver Wing for longer tours just last week. The recommended final gear oil for Silver Wing is just the same as the engine oil. First I could not believe it, but difference sources seem to confirm that it was fact, yes just one kind of oil for both engine and final drive.

I put the gear oil in my P250 final drive as our manual suggested. Thought to myself, it would be wonderful if I could just use one kind of oil for both. So, I don't have to keep those pints of gear oil around. Has anyone used engine oil in their Kymco's final drive?

What's the difference between these 2 oils?
What's the difference in the final gears between Kymco and Honda?

Curious mind wanted to know.  Thank you a bunch. :D

Recommended oil for final transmission is SAE 90W. Engine oil is 10W-40 or 15W-40.
The viscosity is much different and this oil is not put under heavy strain.

I think that, honestly, it will work and there will be no problems, but transmission oil is so cheap (1l around 10 US$ where I live) and this 1l will last longer than scooter (5 changes), even if you bought it as new, so there it makes no sense sweating over these details.

Go with SAE 90.
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Re: Place engine oil in the final drive??
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 05:08:16 AM »
The amsoil web page might be able to help you answer. The white paper comparisons of the leading brands was pretty eyeopening. You might send an email to the amsoil people. That's all they do, and they invented synthetic engine oil. Hope this help.
                                  http://www.amsoil.com/products/streetbikes/WhitePaper.aspx                                 

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Re: Place engine oil in the final drive??
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 10:37:47 PM »
An observation - 90w gear lube is pretty difficult to find in the US. I tried both a standard type Multi vis 75 / 85 and a Synthetic 75 / 90 w (Mobil 1) and kept loosing lube between changes. Performance deteriorated, I changed to Dr Pulley sliders and an Athena Kevlar belt.

Performance kept going down.

Finally I found that Lucas is selling a standard blend gear lube, multi Vis in an 80 / 140w configuration and I splurged 8.50 US for it. At first, it ran a tad on the stiff side. Then after a few hundred km, everything seemed to click, noise level went down, performance went way up and gas mileage was again approaching 68 mpg.

Happy - Satisfied.

Prior to this, I had noticed a huge build up of black greasy residue inside the transmission case - partial belt dust but really oily. I cleaned it out with brake clean and added about 1 cc of Brake fluid to the final drive, pushed the bike around for about 40 km of riding, then changed to the Lucas gear lube.

It seems the lighter weight lube, could / would / did push pass the seal on the clutch side of the drive and it started to weep into the belt / transmission case. This fouled everything and I was constanly loosing about half my gear lube at every change.  The Brake fluid will expand the seals back to where they should be. I've used this trick on fork seals when I lived in the SW deserts and in Australia ... otherwise you end up replacing them two or three times a year. The trick is to only use it for a short time, the seals swell up - then drain the lube and replace it with the heavier lube.

If someone can counter this - as to why I shouldn't use this heavier lube - let me know. Please!

Dion

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