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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2014, 05:14:40 AM »
  location   location !!!  when the tempature go,s from 20 below to 5 above zero  C.  the battery will vent a little all winter long, or when I visit my family I go from 100 feet above sea level,   to 6000 feet through the mountains that makes the batterys vent again,. so I clean the battery every year,.   

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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2014, 12:39:09 AM »
It is always completely tight when I check.

Lets not get side tracked on dielectric grease; clearly the root cause of the problem has nothing to do with the battery terminals. 

I suspect the real problem is either the negative or positive cable is loose at the other end (not where it connects to the battery).  removing and tightening the terminals just moves the cables and contact is restored temporarily. 

I had a problem where my Positive cable was loose where it is bolted down to starter relay?  I saw signs of arcing - I sanded the connections tightened it back up and have not had a problem in 3K miles.

Whether you use grease or not on the battery terminals and even if it gets below zero no way should this problem be happening.

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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2014, 12:55:59 AM »
I picked up a tube of this stuff. Read the back panel.
Says to "get good metal-to-metal contact between the 2 parts" then smear on this grease.
So, since I have nothing growing on my battery cables - I put the tube back on the shelf and bought a donut, instead.
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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2014, 01:09:57 AM »
MrBios, and Vivo are both 100% correct.

Terminals do not loosen w/ temp., and vibration is not the cause either. Lead is soft, and makes a "lock washer" type join.

The issue is as MrBios suggests somewhere else or the OP has no clue how to use hand tools (which I doubt is true).

To the original question... Dielectric grease is an INSULATOR. It is used in HI voltage applications to insulate /prevent arcing, and assist in heat transfer between components.
Using it on a battery terminal is like making toast in a blender. It does more harm than good. I wont list the reasons it is bad practice because their are too many. The one that does apply is... It will prevent the fastener from maintaining proper torque, and create a situation where the bolt/nut will never "lock" while the silicone base of the grease allows the join to slip, and loosen.

There are dozens of WAX based anti corrosion treatments that are applied after the join is made but the truth is the USCG (coast guard) has found that electrical fires originating at the battery terminals (loose terminals create an over-current from the charging system, and thus heat) were primarily caused by these terminal "treatments" that contain flammable compounds, and ignite. So they have passed this along to the insurance companies that will no longer pay these types of claims.

The only thing you should do is clean the terminals with a STAINLESS STEEL wire brush, and properly tighten the fasteners.

For everyone that has no issues I suggest you return your batteries, and scooters because as Vivo pointed out... There is something wrong with them.
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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2014, 02:16:40 AM »
To the original question... Dielectric grease is an INSULATOR. ...

In the many vehicles I have owned I realize that I always use a tiny amount of regular grease on car or tractor battery terminals to stop corrosion but I don't think I have ever used it on a motorcycle battery because I don't seem to get any corrosion. 

Currently, in my Kymco I have a sealed battery (something I love because no acid seems to leak out anywhere) and there is no corrosion and I have never used any grease on the terminals. 

Conductive grease or copper antiseize could be used?  But I agree grease should not be applied to the bolt threads on a motorcycle battery because it could loosen up.
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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2014, 02:42:21 AM »
A tip... See if you can find an ALUMINUM coin and place this on top of your battery using a double sided tape maybe... what will happen is that battery fumes/acid will be diverted to the coin and corrode the coin and not your terminals...

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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2014, 10:28:34 PM »
A tip... See if you can find an ALUMINUM coin and place this on top of your battery using a double sided tape maybe... what will happen is that battery fumes/acid will be diverted to the coin and corrode the coin and not your terminals...

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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2014, 10:40:12 PM »
If it's science it's not witchcraft. If it's witchcraft it's not science.
Since it came from Vivo it's bullsh**! ;D ;D ;D

I couldn't help it. I wish it was anyone but Vivo :-*
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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2014, 01:36:22 AM »
If it's science it's not witchcraft. If it's witchcraft it's not science.
Since it came from Vivo it's bullsh**! ;D ;D ;D

I couldn't help it. I wish it was anyone but Vivo :-*

I've been doing that ever since... We have this one centavo coin made of aluminum and I just place a couple of  this on top of my car's battery preferably nearest the caps (non-maintenance free) and after a while they just corrode... sparing my terminals with the ugly white stuff... Without the coins, the terminals corrode.... I don't know... It just happens... I would appreciate it if someone here can explain why...  Does the aluminum attract the acid faster than other metals?  Or maybe the coins are the first bare metals nearest the source, so they corrode first.... Or it's not the coin, any piece of bare metal will do... One thing I know for sure... It's not witchcraft...  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2014, 03:50:34 AM »
In lots of applications they use a Sacrificial Anode. It is usually Zinc or some other lesser metal.
Hot water heaters all have them, Well Pumps, Boats, and Marine engines, wrought iron fences, building pilings, ect

The way it works is the lessor metal actually does attract the harmful ions that are normally attracted to the noble metal.
Electrolysis is the action involved. Basically anytime there is moisture, and two dissimilar metals a battery is created. The lessor metal is ALWAYS the one that gives up molecules till it is depleted, and then the process moves on to the noble metal till that is gone.

I never heard of anyone doing this w/ a battery, and aluminum but it is perfectly logical.
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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2014, 05:19:22 AM »
In lots of applications they use a Sacrificial Anode. It is usually Zinc or some other lesser metal.
Hot water heaters all have them, Well Pumps, Boats, and Marine engines, wrought iron fences, building pilings, ect

The way it works is the lessor metal actually does attract the harmful ions that are normally attracted to the noble metal.
Electrolysis is the action involved. Basically anytime there is moisture, and two dissimilar metals a battery is created. The lessor metal is ALWAYS the one that gives up molecules till it is depleted, and then the process moves on to the noble metal till that is gone.

I never heard of anyone doing this w/ a battery, and aluminum but it is perfectly logical.


See? It's not witchcraft.... ;D


I just saw that from a friend who saw that from his friend... I just followed the idea and it did the job... no more white stuff on the terminals... when the coin was fully corroded, I just replaced them with clean ones... usually they last for a week... 


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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2014, 05:52:46 AM »
Hey Z, I did a bit of research on sacrificial anode and found this....




By Ray & Tom Magliozzi
Car Talk
Dear Tom and Ray:

I may be dreaming, hallucinating or even suffering from Dementia. I seem to remember something from my childhood that other people my age do not. When I was but a tadpole, I seem to remember my dad checking the water level in the car battery. The top of the battery was covered with a thick, tarlike substance, into which he would push copper pennies next to each battery terminal. The reasoning behind this was to draw the potential corrosion away from the terminal and toward the penny. Did I dream this, or did people used to do this? Please tell me if I’m demented or not. — Art

RAY: We don’t have enough information to answer your last question, Art. And the fact that you’re writing to us for advice definitely is a strike against you. But you’re not dreaming about the pennies and the batteries.

TOM: It’s based on the theory of sacrificial anodes, in which you “sacrifice” a more reactive metal — copper, in the case of pre-1983 pennies — to protect a second, less reactive metal — the lead battery terminal and connector.

RAY: And in the old days, when batteries were covered with tar on top, you could warm up a penny with a match or a cigarette lighter, and then slide it into the tar half an inch away from the battery terminal. The penny always would corrode first.

TOM: Nowadays, most batteries are sealed in plastic, so the acid — which is what causes the corrosion — rarely escapes the inside of the battery. That makes a sacrificial anode far less necessary. And besides, these days, we all have to save our pennies.

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Re: Dielectric grease between battery connection?
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2014, 07:01:19 AM »
Those two guys are complete idiots but in this case I gotta give them props.
Cool find!
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