New BMW scooter

[PaulF]

I like the look of it but I suspect it will be a lot of $$$$.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/november/bmw-c400x-scooter/

[CROSSBOLT]

B= Big, M= Money, W= Wookie! Model 400 but engine is 350 cc. What! They takin' notes from Kymco? 408 pounds to 410 is not bad for a 350 but why spend the bucks when you can get a Kymco. Maybe their battery-alternator-starter work better....

Karl

[boo]

204 kg = 450. A little heavy for a 350.
I`m sure it is nice but, for the money, i`ll stay with Kymco.

[AMAC1680]

B= Big, M= Money, W= Wookie! Model 400 but engine is 350 cc. What! They takin' notes from Kymco? 408 pounds to 410 is not bad for a 350 but why spend the bucks when you can get a Kymco. Maybe their battery-alternator-starter work better....

Karl

I hear ya.

As I agreed the same performance may be found elsewhere for less bucks thats not what BMW is about.
They are well aware they are far more pricey than others  offerings and they don’t care.

Their market is well defined and thats who they pitch to. They know going in that they wont be the winner in number of units sold.

Doing that would defeat their purpose.

AMAC

[ole two wheels]

Kymco was making engines and drive trains for BMW scooters. Wonder if this is furnished by Kymco?

[CROSSBOLT]

I am sorta AVG. American volunteers flew the Curtis P-40 against the superior Mitsubishi Zero and won. They were Aviators that operated their machines along their strong points and used enemy tactics against them. To most people who can afford high end brands, the machine is not important. Its prestige is. To a genuine operator, the mission is important and he tenders the greatest respect to his machinery which helps him achieve regardless of prestige.

Karl

[lolofigo]

Kymco was making engines and drive trains for BMW scooters. Wonder if this is furnished by Kymco?

I was thinking the same. 350cc 34 hp something like new Downtown 350 power plant.

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[axy]

Most people would be suprised that BMW (otherwise in car world usually assumed to be "high quality vehicle") is pure crap in motorcycle world.

According to a number of customer surveys, BMW is usually firmly at the bottom of the list, together with all Italian manufacturers you can think of.

Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki are the most reliable motorcycle brands.

https://eatsleepride.com/c/203865/most_unreliable_motorcycle_companies

I remember reading one such survey in 2016. They measured "catastrophic failure rate" in a few categories (mechanical, electrical, etc.) over 3 or 4 year period. The best performing brands had failure rate of 13-18 %. Those at the bottom and BMW among them, close to 40 %.

BMWs have also been plagued by fork failure of various models for the past decade and a half.

https://www.change.org/p/bmw-motorcycles-bmw-motorrad-should-investigate-and-report-publicly-on-fork-stanchion-separation-issue

This is something that does not even happen to 400 US$ Chinese scooters.

How is this even possible, I do not understand.

https://www.google.hr/search?q=bmw+motorcycle+fork+failure&client=opera&hs=Sh6&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWicL78a7XAhWJ16QKHeMkA14Q_AUICigB&biw=1600&bih=835

So, I would say that BMW "premium customers" are being pretty much sold snake oil.

I am careful not to claim something like this for overall brands, but judging by facts, BMW motorcycles seem to be outstanding - crap, overall.

[CROSSBOLT]

Extremely well put, axy!

Karl

[TroutBum]

From Consumers Reports

Reliability by brand:
Brand/Percent failed

Yamaha/Star 11%
Suzuki 12
Honda 12
Kawasaki 15
Victory 17
Harley-Davidson 26
Triumph 29
Ducati 33
BMW 40
Can-Am 42

[jeeves]

Man, that's one ugly scoot...

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