Tks for the info I got this, in the end, 500ml PUTOLINE SCOOTER GEAR OIL SAE 90 TRANSMISSION OIL was £9.00 should last me a few oil changes, it is suitable for 4 stroke as well as 2 stroke the supplier spoke to the manufacturer to confirm it I intend to change gear oil when i oil change its cheap enough to do this and i am checking brakes I have dot4 in for that so this weekend if its not blowing a gale as it in the UK now ill do a mini service.