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AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« on: June 01, 2022, 04:53:22 AM »
What's odd is the Owner's Manual I received with the bike indicates first service at 600 miles or one month.

But when you look online for the AK 550 Service Manual, in the doc that pops up, it indicates first service at 180 miles or one month.

I'd lean more towards the Owner's Manual, given that it came with the bike, but, at the same time, I could see servicing at 180 miles, given that's what the Service Manual indicates.

Confusing for sure. Hard to make heads or tails of why there's a very notable difference.

What's your take on this and why? 

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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2022, 07:55:15 AM »
Can't hurt to change the oil earlier?
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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2022, 02:11:11 PM »
The thing is not to run it at constant speed. Vary the rpms, dont go faster than 55 mph for the 1st 600 miles. This is my 3rd Kymco big bike break in. I broke in a 300 GTI, 400i xciting and now the AK550. Its not a problem to run up to the 600 mile mark for the 1st oil change. My mechanic said these bikes are made with better tolerances, so when he changes the oil(Has has done many AK550's at the dealership), it looks relatively decent with some minor flecks found in the oil filter and sometimes on the metal screens. He also said that its important not to hard brake for the 1st 200 miles or so. It doesn't hurt to change the oil earlier if you like, oil is cheap, but this bike is a little more of a pain to change the oil.

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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2022, 04:34:16 PM »
See my reply to your post in the other thread on this subject you started.

The only service manual PDF file I could find I downloaded from the Austrian Kymco HQ. It is for the Euro 4 version of the AK 550 and likely related to the pre-2020 models.
The service schedule is WAY different than the USA service schedule. I also defer to the USA owners manual for that. (btw- I found the oil change on the AK to be one of the easiest to do over all other bikes I've owned - the filter can be a trick but not with the right tool to use for it... which I now have).
Recommended fuel octane level is even very different for the Euro models per the service manual and also not consistent in the USA owners manual either which does not show USA fuel octane level. Those recommended octane levels are based on the Euro "RON" designation and in the USA it is RON+MON/2 = PON. So in the USA you will see that formula right on many pumps. There is a sticker in the storage box under the seat that shows the USA version of the 2022 AK 550 should use 87 Octane (PON).

I'll post the same picture of the owners manual here that I posted there that clearly shows the new engine run-in for the AK 550. It is NOT 600 miles. The recommended limits are 180 miles (300 km) and under 50 mph (80 km/h) and to avoid rapidly speeding up. No mention about varying the speed but that is one thing I've always read to break-in any other bike I've owned per the service or owners manuals for those (from my 1990 GW to 2 Burgman 650 scoots and an ST1100 and ST/CTX1300 aside from this AK 550). Other bikes may be different but this is what it is for the AK and is consistent with those others.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2022, 04:37:40 PM by rjs987 »
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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2022, 06:56:38 PM »
Ironically RJS, I consulted my mechanic in Rome, Italy who told me that these can go 1000 Km before the first oil change. I trust this mechanic, because all he does is fix and repair scooters at the Porta Portese in Rome which is the Scooter Mecca of the city. Secondly, these owners manuals are not always accurate and have mistakes in them. Basically he told me to keep below 88kph and bring it in at 1000 Km. I have have had three big bike Kymcos and this was the same advice he gave me on my prior bikes, which never had any problems. So I would trust this mechanic over your photocopied manual. Even the maintenance schedule in the manuals that I have for the 400 and 300 have their first oil changes at 1000kms.

Update:
Just called the dealership, which just finished my AK550's first service and I asked him about the mileage requirements. He said that 600 miles is normal for these bikes on their first service. I asked him about the oil condition and he said it looked fine with a few small metal flakes in the oil that was changed out. The oil filter looked fine with some small metal flakes and said that the metal screens were clean. The only reason its still at the dealership is to replace the faulty ignition switch that the bike came with when I first got it.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2022, 08:31:14 PM by leomagnus »
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2022, 10:52:55 PM »
Here are pages from my owner's manual that came with the bike
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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2022, 11:16:27 PM »
Same as my Owners Manual.
Many highly experienced mechanics, not always those who like to show off their supposed know how and publish videos of their work, have varied opinions on break-in miles. The first service interval is stated in the manual and doesn't always indicate break-in miles. As was stated by others it doesn't hurt to change the oil more often than the service manual calls out. But doing the service later than indicated, especially if it can be shown when the service was actually performed, just might void your warranty. I know that these engines can go longer between indicated service. But there is really no point to it. Oil/filter changes don't cost much at all, especially if you do that service yourself. And I do know that if you do the service yourself Kymco would not be able to prove the service was not done on time, so there is that. The dealer where I bought my AK is one of only a very few in the mid-west who actually FIXES motorcycles and not just replace assemblies. They are the only dealer within several hundred miles of them who works on bikes older than 10 years old. I would trust what they said to me before someone I never met or had any dealing with. They agreed with the Owners Manual on the break-in. Maybe it was for warranty reasons, maybe more. 1000 km = 600 miles. 88 kph = 54.7 mph... close to 50 mph. About the same as I was saying. So I would say you're doing good to trust the mechanic you spoke with. I would still not just ride it at 54 mph constantly during the break-in but vary the speed as much as reasonable.


Sounds like we are stating about the same thing here.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2022, 11:23:16 PM »
I am just glad that we both are riding an awesome scooter. I pray that you have great luck with your bike and that you get to enjoy it very much so during these summer months. I have the same color bike as you do and get a lot of looks from other riders. I just wish the darn starter button wasn't messed up... Take some pics of those cornfield rides...lol. I drove out to Clear Lake Iowa last summer, beautiful riding roads.
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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2022, 12:31:46 AM »
. I just wish the darn starter button wasn't messed up...

Thats disappointing that you have had a problem right out of the gate like that...RJS did too with his hand warners (a problem i think i have as well)

I had a problem with mine too right away (14,000 miles or so)...the oil pressure sensor switch started leaking.

The dealers said the part was on backorder with NO ETA...but i got one from Poland in 5 business days for really cheap. Like $30

Dealer said they would warranty it, but i would have to get it down there with the faulty sensor in place.

NOT WORTH IT. Especially when they cant get the part :D

Anyway...still love the bike more than i can express. I get giddy when i think about her like a teenage crush.
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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2022, 01:12:39 PM »
Hey guys, about the oil you use, I found Shell Rotella T6 here at Advance Auto store but it says “Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil”. Is that the right stuff?

Also, I rode my AK home after purchase on an interstate with 70 mph speed limit. A few times I was at 80 mph briefly to pass someone.

I did ask the dealer mechanic if it was OK to ride home on the interstate. And he said it’s OK….LOL but you guys have me worried.

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Re: AK 550 First Service? 180 miles or 600 miles?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2022, 01:30:51 PM »
Hey guys, about the oil you use, I found Shell Rotella T6 here at Advance Auto store but it says “Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil”. Is that the right stuff?

Also, I rode my AK home after purchase on an interstate with 70 mph speed limit. A few times I was at 80 mph briefly to pass someone.

I did ask the dealer mechanic if it was OK to ride home on the interstate. And he said it’s OK….LOL but you guys have me worried.

Jeff
Some ride full throttle right out of the box....Me, I had my scooter delivered on a trailer because all roads between my house and dealer were above the break-in speeds as specified in the owner's manual.
How did his advice for your highway 'break-in' run match up with that specified by the manufacturer in your owner's manual?
Your scoot is the flagship Kymco - I'd use the best oil you can afford in this new scooter....something actually spec'ed for motorcycles and scooters and recommended by riders.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2022, 03:31:32 PM »
Hey guys, about the oil you use, I found Shell Rotella T6 here at Advance Auto store but it says “Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil”. Is that the right stuff?

Also, I rode my AK home after purchase on an interstate with 70 mph speed limit. A few times I was at 80 mph briefly to pass someone.

I did ask the dealer mechanic if it was OK to ride home on the interstate. And he said it’s OK….LOL but you guys have me worried.

Jeff

Break-in is something that has always been about the same on every bike I've ever owned, even newer model bikes within the last 10 years.
I personally would not have done that but it really is up to you. I do admit to being just a little over the recommended speeds stated in the manual for the initial break-in, but just a very little at 55 mph rather than 50 mph once in a while but never constantly. And I was sometimes on a highway with a higher speed limit. Didn't mean I had to go that (so what if others have to pass me, I had a riding buddy following me all the way on a bigger bike). Maybe if he said it is "OK to ride on the interstate" he meant it is OK to be there but not at that speed. Some of the requirement in the owner manual for keeping the speed lower during break-in is for you to become accustomed to a new machine, but some of it is in fact about seating parts and seals together. Manufacturing is so much better now than it was 50 years ago when it was a lot more important to pay attention to break-in procedures. Parts are much better matched together now and are made to better tolerances. But that does not mean that parts don't shift or adjust with stress and higher speeds put higher stress on parts. What I have seen seems to indicate that the difference in a high stress break-in vs a low stress break-in won't break the bike but might possibly maybe bring on a few service issues long into the life of the bike mechanics. Any issues will likely not show up for many 10s of thousands of miles if you see them at all. 50 years ago these issues might have broken the bike within a few hundred miles. The biggest reason I've heard favoring a high stress break-in is based on the idea that racing bikes are broken in this way. But racing bikes get their engines rebuilt after one or two races and not after thousands and thousands of miles. This issue of break-in is almost as big a controversy as what oil is best. I'd say just be aware of the performance of your AK and otherwise don't worry about it now.


I've used Rotella T6 in all my bikes since 2004 at least. Yes, the bottle highlights that it is primarily PROMOTED as a heavy duty diesel oil. But that blurb on the bottle front is mostly advertising. It is a very good oil for that application but that is not all it's good for. As long as somewhere in the small print (where I used to find it when I looked) there is stated that the oil meets the requirements for JASO MA/MA2. That's the spec that is REQUIRED for any bike with a wet clutch. The AK 550 has a wet clutch meaning that the clutch shares the same oil reserve with the engine. If the oil you choose to use does not state that specification then it is not good for any bike with a wet clutch. The other spec that might be specified and goes along with the JASO spec is that the bottom outer ring of the API service circle on the back of the bottle (if it has one) is blank and does not show "Resource Conserving" or "Energy Conserving" in that space. Usually JASO MA qualified oils will have a blank in the bottom outer ring of the API service circle. The JASO spec is much more important.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2022, 03:36:44 PM by rjs987 »
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2022, 01:15:56 PM »
Thank You Stig!



Some ride full throttle right out of the box....Me, I had my scooter delivered on a trailer because all roads between my house and dealer were above the break-in speeds as specified in the owner's manual.
How did his advice for your highway 'break-in' run match up with that specified by the manufacturer in your owner's manual?
Your scoot is the flagship Kymco - I'd use the best oil you can afford in this new scooter....something actually spec'ed for motorcycles and scooters and recommended by riders.

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2022, 01:21:37 PM »
Thanks RJS!

I sent you a message about this also and just now found your reply here forgetting I posted this question here.....63 years old and the Memory is shot....gone....not working whatsoever!

The Diesel bit had me worried.

Jeff






Break-in is something that has always been about the same on every bike I've ever owned, even newer model bikes within the last 10 years.
I personally would not have done that but it really is up to you. I do admit to being just a little over the recommended speeds stated in the manual for the initial break-in, but just a very little at 55 mph rather than 50 mph once in a while but never constantly. And I was sometimes on a highway with a higher speed limit. Didn't mean I had to go that (so what if others have to pass me, I had a riding buddy following me all the way on a bigger bike). Maybe if he said it is "OK to ride on the interstate" he meant it is OK to be there but not at that speed. Some of the requirement in the owner manual for keeping the speed lower during break-in is for you to become accustomed to a new machine, but some of it is in fact about seating parts and seals together. Manufacturing is so much better now than it was 50 years ago when it was a lot more important to pay attention to break-in procedures. Parts are much better matched together now and are made to better tolerances. But that does not mean that parts don't shift or adjust with stress and higher speeds put higher stress on parts. What I have seen seems to indicate that the difference in a high stress break-in vs a low stress break-in won't break the bike but might possibly maybe bring on a few service issues long into the life of the bike mechanics. Any issues will likely not show up for many 10s of thousands of miles if you see them at all. 50 years ago these issues might have broken the bike within a few hundred miles. The biggest reason I've heard favoring a high stress break-in is based on the idea that racing bikes are broken in this way. But racing bikes get their engines rebuilt after one or two races and not after thousands and thousands of miles. This issue of break-in is almost as big a controversy as what oil is best. I'd say just be aware of the performance of your AK and otherwise don't worry about it now.


I've used Rotella T6 in all my bikes since 2004 at least. Yes, the bottle highlights that it is primarily PROMOTED as a heavy duty diesel oil. But that blurb on the bottle front is mostly advertising. It is a very good oil for that application but that is not all it's good for. As long as somewhere in the small print (where I used to find it when I looked) there is stated that the oil meets the requirements for JASO MA/MA2. That's the spec that is REQUIRED for any bike with a wet clutch. The AK 550 has a wet clutch meaning that the clutch shares the same oil reserve with the engine. If the oil you choose to use does not state that specification then it is not good for any bike with a wet clutch. The other spec that might be specified and goes along with the JASO spec is that the bottom outer ring of the API service circle on the back of the bottle (if it has one) is blank and does not show "Resource Conserving" or "Energy Conserving" in that space. Usually JASO MA qualified oils will have a blank in the bottom outer ring of the API service circle. The JASO spec is much more important.

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2022, 04:14:30 PM »
Thanks RJS!

I sent you a message about this also and just now found your reply here forgetting I posted this question here.....63 years old and the Memory is shot....gone....not working whatsoever!

The Diesel bit had me worried.

Jeff

That's OK. I'm with you on that memory thing. I'm 67 and beginning to feel the sting of memory loss. I don't remember when that started though. Seems things like that just sneak up on us.
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