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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2012, 02:32:46 AM »
I will make a prove of concept of an electric supercharger for a 50cc engine,



Try a small weed blower or hair dryer....  ;D

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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2012, 12:29:13 AM »
I love the whole idea... Efficiency is the key. Controlling the pressure via an electronic interface is a great solution to alot of the issues. Model airplane guys have been modifying hard drive motors for use in planes. They get up to 3/4hp out of these tiny motors by rewinding the armatures. More fuel for your fire...
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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2012, 12:39:46 AM »
I will make a prove of concept of an electric supercharger for a 50cc engine,

..i gotts a home-made blown air induction mod that requires a 106 main jet, and modding the needle by 1mm in height...

..made my 08 a50 scream!!    ;)
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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2012, 10:30:30 PM »
I will make a prove of concept of an electric supercharger for a 50cc engine,



Try a small weed blower or hair dryer....  ;D

They wont work to build up pressure because of a design which is not made to build up pressure, as the pressure would go between the fan blades. In a turbo, the air is circulated around in the turbo and whenever air is used, new air will get into the intake manifold until the pressure is again on the desired level. Then it will again circulate around inside the compressor housing, keeping the compressed air in the intake manifold. This circulating air inside the compressor housing have great energy, as speed affects force in ^2 which means that double the speed will give 4 times as much power or inertia.

If i used a hair dryer, no air would be moving when it reached the point where the fan could not build up enough pressure, and the fan will stall because the compressed air is pressing directly against the fan instead of pressing at fast moving air. The space between the fan blades will then allow air to get back, opposed to a turbo, where the fast moving air acts as one continuous fan blade, not having any holes.

The hair dryer design could do the same as a turbo, but would require a stronger motor to withstand the pressure directly on the blades, while the supercharger/turbo design haven't got as much resistance, so it wouldn't need as strong a motor but just a motor with high rpm (or the right ratio between power and gearing), as the conventional design will only need enough power to accellerate the fan and the air to the desired speed. :)

The challange is to find a way to calculate the right compressor speed and the required power before using money on motors, so you can make sure that the electricity onboard the scooter is enough to drive it. ;)
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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2012, 10:33:27 PM »
..my cooling fan driven induction worked...

..just needed to design a more accessible intake filtration device...

..kept clogging up and making the fuel mix rich after a cpl of days...
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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2012, 10:44:55 PM »
..my cooling fan driven induction worked...

..just needed to design a more accessible intake filtration device...

..kept clogging up and making the fuel mix rich after a cpl of days...

Well, as i haven't seen it, i cant say that you are wrong. But how much did it work and did it give 50cc the power of 70-80cc, as a turbocharger would give?
It's all about what you mean by worked, but it doens't change that the engineers who made forced induction have tested many designs and found the currently used most power effective. :D
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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2012, 01:23:09 AM »
..looks like this...
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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2012, 01:25:02 AM »
..annnd this...


..cant compare to any other non-standard induction, but just can...say...it was the most powerful experiment i ever did...
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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2012, 01:51:40 AM »
Now im starting to get bad ideas.............

Must stay away from this thread........

Must resist................

Growing weak..............

No.....man must go fast.........

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Re: New variator aaaannddd issues arise....
« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2012, 02:01:01 AM »
..search "induction"....then navigate to the first post of the "blown air induction 1.0" thread...lol..


..i was having a friking blast back then!!!


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