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claynine

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Thoughts of new Like 300i
« on: June 17, 2013, 01:31:59 AM »
I purchased the Like 200i a few days ago and really like it.  I have been riding a 1986 Yamaha 125 Riva for a few years.  My wife and I love to double up and go for short cruises.  The Yamaha has been great but I wanted a comfortable scoot with a little more "uphill power".  I figured a few more cc's and fuel injection would cure that.  There are many things that I am pleasantly surprised with.  The easy way it pushes up on the center stand is cool.  I can just push down with my foot and the scoot is on the center stand.  The super fast starting with no "he, hawing" waiting for the engine to warm up is nice.   The break in period seems...long...I haven't been exactly adhering to  1/3 throttle for the first 500 miles.  It seems to have more low speed power than the Riva but the highway speed has me a little concerned.  The Riva would push me 67 MPH (although it would take some time to get there) We will see more as the engine gets "broke in".  One thing I have looked for is a headlight visor.  At night the dim setting of the headlight creates a bright spot at the top of the head light that is quite distracting.  It disappears on high beam.  Have any of you noticed this?  A headlight visor may take care of this but I haven't found any yet.  Does the engine perform better after break in?  This scoot seems to be the answer to getting a newer and a little more powerful upgrade.  So far I think it fills the bill. 

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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2013, 01:48:04 AM »
Welcome!
I carry a roll of blue painters tape - and put a 6" strip up there every night before heading to work. Peel it off afterwards. Not sure how we'd get a visor fitted in there. Why blue tape? - I ride the  blue/white LX model.
Sticking to the break in period is not easy - and can be downright sporting at times! But I did make it to 1000 miles yesterday without incident or topping 40 MPH.
Check your valves, change your oils, check the tire air pressures for correctness, oh and check nuts and screws for tightness(I never found any loose but some guys have), and have fun!
I'm never looking to push the 60MPH mark.....I have read many times that our LIKE 200i's pretty much are topped out at 60 MPH. Some guys have found ways to get a few more MPH's - while probably voiding their warranties! 2 - 4 more MPH is not worth it to me.
Ride safe! Want faster? > buy some other scooter I guess. I love my LIKE but may steal some other scooter's seat!!
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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 02:57:54 AM »
Thanks a bunch to both of you, kriden and stig.  I used to be a mechanic for small engines & snowmobiles.  I have been out of the loop for many years but do understand the importance of clean oil, especially since there is no real oil filter.  I think it is the one most important thing for these small engines that tend to get a big workout.  The Riva engine is still running strong after nearly 27 years.  keeping the oil clean is cheap and easy.  I will put some black tape on my headlight.  I am sure that will work fine... It just seems kinda "hokey" for a new scooter.  I am not a performance nut.  I don't really want to start trying to get more hp out of the new engine but like I said,  I expected a little more since it is 163 cc vs 125 and fuel injected.  My wife and I ride to-up just so we can talk and share the sights so most of our riding is 10 - 25 mph.  However a trip to town, 14 miles away and down hill (and back up a steep highway) is more enjoyable if we are not chugging up the road at 45 mph.   I couldn't justify the $5000 price tag for the 300i for two or three trips to town a year. So I am sure however fast this machine will pull us, it will be fine.  I am impressed with the low end torque so I assume it is lower geared than the Riva and that is likely a better trade off than poor low end power but higher speeds, downhill with the wind!  The exhaust diameter on the Like is pretty small...  I suppose the detuning characteristics of a small exhaust will ensure longevity of the engine.  But I especially like quiet!  I won't trade quiet for any performance enhancements.  If all else fails we can each jump on a scooter to go to town and double up to enjoy the sights and conversation while there, then we have the desired speed to ride safely on the uphill highway home.  I was thinking about selling the old Riva to a friend but that may not happen.  Thanks for the welcoming info and happy scootering.

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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2013, 06:27:11 AM »
Welcome aboard!

Love my Like:

Pros:
Price
Fuel injection
MPG average is 80
Retro style
Good acceleration and throttle response
Disc brakes front and rear
Decent storage
Balance
Center stand deployment


Cons:
2 OEM batteries went bad in the first six months
Dealers tend to want to follow Vespa's service intervals and recommended repairs
Conservative break-in period
Clock/calendar displays 00:00 - 00:59 for the hour of twelve during certain months. Date jumps ahead one day after about 10 minutes from being set. Trick is to set it a day behind to have correct date within 10 minutes of setting
Key required to open/close glove box and top case

At 5'9" the headlight concern some have noted is not an issue for me. I noticed a marked improvement in performance at about 500 to 600 miles. It wasn't until about 1,200 miles that the tightness was gone and the smooth handling began. Not that it was bad or anything. It was just that tightness you find with most new mechanical equipment loosened up for the better. I did have one bolt work loose. It was the rearward bolt that attaches the air box to the frame. Nothing a new bolt and blue loctite didn't fix. The seat has caused me some discomfort at times, but I'm not sure if it due to what some of the others say is the reason or if its something else as it is sporadic.

The Like is a real joy to ride. I have had it now for almost eleven months and have put 3,400 miles on it. I ride for pleasure. I hope my next assignment is closer to home so I can use it to commute as well.

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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2013, 08:24:50 AM »
I use the two key trick TroutBum. I just make sure before I ride off I have one in my pocket, or before I walk away I have both. I find that to be preferable to just carrying one.
Another advantage is all the keys and locks will wear evenly.
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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2013, 08:44:13 AM »
I use the two key trick TroutBum. I just make sure before I ride off I have one in my pocket, or before I walk away I have both. I find that to be preferable to just carrying one.
Another advantage is all the keys and locks will wear evenly.

Or you can get a detachable key holder and have both keys in one holder and just detach if you need to use the other one...



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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2013, 04:22:13 PM »
That's pretty cool Vivo. 
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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 07:09:48 PM »
Yeah, I use those key thingies all the time but then I loose both keys at once! ???  Thanks all for posting.  Time to go scootering.

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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 10:46:26 PM »
Thanks a bunch to both of you, kriden and stig.  I used to be a mechanic for small engines & snowmobiles.  I have been out of the loop for many years but do understand the importance of clean oil, especially since there is no real oil filter.  I think it is the one most important thing for these small engines that tend to get a big workout.  The Riva engine is still running strong after nearly 27 years.  keeping the oil clean is cheap and easy.  I will put some black tape on my headlight.  I am sure that will work fine... It just seems kinda "hokey" for a new scooter.  I am not a performance nut.  I don't really want to start trying to get more hp out of the new engine but like I said,  I expected a little more since it is 163 cc vs 125 and fuel injected.  My wife and I ride to-up just so we can talk and share the sights so most of our riding is 10 - 25 mph.  However a trip to town, 14 miles away and down hill (and back up a steep highway) is more enjoyable if we are not chugging up the road at 45 mph.   I couldn't justify the $5000 price tag for the 300i for two or three trips to town a year. So I am sure however fast this machine will pull us, it will be fine.  I am impressed with the low end torque so I assume it is lower geared than the Riva and that is likely a better trade off than poor low end power but higher speeds, downhill with the wind!  The exhaust diameter on the Like is pretty small...  I suppose the detuning characteristics of a small exhaust will ensure longevity of the engine.  But I especially like quiet!  I won't trade quiet for any performance enhancements.  If all else fails we can each jump on a scooter to go to town and double up to enjoy the sights and conversation while there, then we have the desired speed to ride safely on the uphill highway home.  I was thinking about selling the old Riva to a friend but that may not happen.  Thanks for the welcoming info and happy scootering.

One other thought; several veteran scooter riders speak of replacing the roller weights to move around the power band, stop-light acceleration and top speed. Different weights alter different aspects of the performance. KYMCO probably has sorted this all out for our best ride - but you could watch some youtube videos and read some scooter forums and talk with some service techs to find out more. The DIY roller replacement costs about $15-$20, and looks fairly straightforward via the videos. Not sure how this affects the 2 yr warranty! My "Happy Speed" is right at 30 MPH - but you gotta get up before the sun to do very much of that around here. So I do!
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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2013, 12:00:51 AM »
I use the two key trick TroutBum. I just make sure before I ride off I have one in my pocket, or before I walk away I have both. I find that to be preferable to just carrying one.
Another advantage is all the keys and locks will wear evenly.

tclhb, I'll have to give that a go. I think my local hardware store sells the type of key holder that Vivo posted. I'll have my dealer make additional copies as well.

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Re: Thoughts of new Like 300i
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2013, 11:29:21 AM »
Thanks Stig,  After riding more...(I have a whole 125 miles on it now) I am finding that it has a lot more low end power.  I like that and it comes in more useful riding two up than a couple more mph.  We can drive down the boat dock where the Viva used to struggle to start back up hill.  This Like does not hesitate. It just pulls us out like nothing.  It's really quite impressive.  The engine is loosening up a bit..I can feel that.  I think it will be fine stock.  I used to work on snowmobiles.  They have a similar clutching system.  It was fun to try to match the power band of each engine with the weights..and ramps of the drive clutch.  We use to put stronger springs in for higher revs at low speed with out messing with the high end.  For better high end we had to mess with the weights.  Lighter weights for higher rpms  Heavier would bring the rpms down.  This effects the low rpms too, but not as much.  I don't know what the power band on this engine looks like so it would be totally experimental.  I will look into this clutch sometime to see if the weights are the rollers or separate as the rollers should be looked at for flat spots and sticking, but for now, scootering with out mechanical problems is king!

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