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brief Movie 150 test ride!
« on: February 13, 2013, 05:57:11 PM »
The owner of Scoot Over in Tucson offered me a test ride on a shiny new 2013 Movie 150 which I graciously accepted. 

A little previous research on the internet revealed the new Kymco had 13.5 horsepower and weighed 250 lbs, intriguing to say the least.  Pretty wicked tuning for an air cooled 150cc motor with a carb, though it does have a 4-valve head. 

I took a short 7 or 8 minute ride in a residential area behind the shop, by no means enough time or miles to give a detailed review, but it did reveal the basic character and feel of the Movie 150.   

I noticed three things immediately. 

1. Stone cold the scooter started with a very brief stab of the starter button and idled smoothly and quietly.  This scooter is quiet!  Almost inaudible at idle, and a low muted growl at full throttle.  Quiet and also a nice sounding stock tone, not something I would bother to change at all. 

2. The Movie 150 is very quick to 45 mph, I would venture to say as fast as my HD 200 EVO.  It was actually quicker to 10 mph, I'm guessing the fat 12" tires require a lot less torque to get rolling compared to the much larger diameter 16" hoops on the HD 200.  With more torque and 1.7 horsepower more, I'm sure the HD 200 would pull handily ahead after 45 mph all the way to a faster top end.  I would guess the Movie 150 would have the guts to pull somewhere above 65 mph but less than 70.   While not feeling quite as powerful as the HD 200 in the mid-range, the Movie 150 still had good acceleration from 30 to 45 mph.  Unfortunately in a posted 35 mph speed zone, I didn't have the opportunity to test the upper speed ranges.

3.  With a 2 gallon fuel tank under the floor board and the rider sitting a couple of inches lower than the HD 200, the Movie 150 had a much lower center of gravity, feeling a lot lighter in comparison than one would expect 47 lbs less should feel (Movie 150 250 lbs - HD 200 Evo 297 lbs).  This scooter felt nimble and quick handling like my Yamaha C3 (50cc -198 lbs), but not nervous or twitchy.   A nice stable and smooth ride up to the 45 mph speed I was limited to (it's a shame I didn't get the opportunity to go faster!).

I road down a pot hole infested back alley and Movie 150's suspension and 12" wheels seemed to handle the bumps reasonably well, maybe not as smooth as the HD 200, but pretty darn close.  I took a short cut between the back of two shopping centers, carefully riding on some medium size river rock, gravel and loose dirt with a few ruts.  Wow, this was a huge improvement over the HD 200.  The Movie 150 felt sure footed with virtually no squirmy and loose feeling front wheel or apparent lack of traction.  I guess the lower center of gravity and lighter weight combined with a front tire that is  3/4" wider helps a lot. 

Not near enough time to test seat comfort, but the basic shape was similar and it felt  like maybe just a little bit more cushion.  I'm sure the Movie 150 could never match the stability and ease the HD 200 gobbles up pavement two-up at 65 mph.  But it was still competent in the engine department and should be able to hold 60+ mph on level ground while having more than adequate acceleration at low and mid-range speeds.  Throw in a much more confident feeling off the pavement and lighter more tossable handling and the Movie 150 just "feels" more fun than my SYM HD 200 Evo ;D   

But a short test ride won't reveal any weaknesses or shortcomings the Movie 150 might present at higher speeds or on extended trips.  Giving credit to the proven abilities of my HD 200, it has performed flawlessly with reasonable comfort and economy on many 250 - 350 mile days.

I have some concerns with overall comfort or stability on all day long rides, but from what I've experienced so far, I really like the Movie 150 and I'm seriously considering buying one.

Yes, I realize the Kymco Movie 150 was designed to be more of an urban scooter.
But then you are reading the opinion of someone that has taken long trips on a Honda Elite 110, SYM Wolf Classic 150 and even a Yamaha C3!  I not sure everyone shares my view that smaller is just more fun ;)
« Last Edit: February 13, 2013, 06:04:28 PM by gitsum »
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 10:52:58 PM »
Thanks for the review....sounds intriguing.
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 03:14:25 PM »
Gitsum: Many thanks for the (still obscure) Kymco Movie 150 review. Personally...I wouldn't buy the Movie 150 vs. the SYM HD200 myself. The $300.00 price difference in favor of Kymco doesn't cut it IMHO. I think Kymco missed the mark with the Movie 150. 1st off...What a silly name for a scooter! That's not a deal breaker but...149cc vs. 171.2cc, air-cooled vs. water-cooled, 16" tires vs. 12", 2 color choices (fair colors @ best) from Kymco vs. 6 from SYM, plus the HD200 has been in production for years now. Kymco upside? Parts! SYM still has a way to go with Alliance & their dealer network & parts.

I look @ the Movie 150 as a semi-glorified Super 8! It's too bad the GT200i is priced so out of touch! SYM is looking great with their HD200 & Citicom 300i line-up if you ask me. Many thanks for taking the time to fill us in on the Movie 150. Too me...it's not worth the coin unless you don't have a SYM dealer near by. BTW...I'm a Kymco fanboy. See my signature below.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 03:16:03 PM by MassScoot »
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 04:54:26 PM »
I wouldn't stress too much on water-cooled vs air-cooled.  Kymco air-cooled engines are very well engineered and there are very few (if any) reports on a properly maintained engine overheating even when pushed hard.
Less weight and less complicated, and Kymco still did very well with 13.5 horsepower and 250 lbs. 

I'm approaching 6000 miles on my HD 200, and I was still immediately impressed with the Movie 150.  The power is not quite a match for the HD 200, but it is in the same class, closer than you might think.  Same with the smoothness and ability to handle bumps and rough pavement, even with 12" rims the Movie 150 did quite well.  Suspension, chassis stiffness, and weight distribution play a big role too, there are many very smooth riding maxi scooters with wheels smaller than 16".

But the thing that really made me like the Movie 150 was the way it felt and handled.  The Super 8 has a high mounted gas tank and sits just a little higher than the Movie 150.  With a little wider rubber too, I bet the handling dynamics of the Movie 150 are quite different in spite of some of the similarities with the Super 8 (not to mention 10.3 hp for the Super 8, 13.5 hp for the Movie, 35% more! power!).  I suspect these may be the very reasons the Movie 150 felt so secure on dirt/gravel surfaces even with street tires.

While the Movie 150 is fine for back highways, if you like cruising the interstates, best leave that to your 300i ;)
Even the HD 200 is a little weak for 75 mph speed limits.   I avoid the super slab like the plague, but now and again I've had to put up with it for a few miles to connect smaller highways.  I'm sure the Movie 150 could survive that too if one had no choice ;D

I've owned many motorcycles and scooters, and I prefer the "scooter feel", but without the twitchy or nervous handling some of the smaller scooters have.  SYM did very well with the HD 200 which has a little bit of a motorcycle flavor in a scooter format.   But Kymco gave the Movie 150 more of a lightweight agile and fun feeling, still making sure it was roadworthy with a serious engine and smooth and stable ride.

So if you like more of a small "scooter feel" but need a reasonably capable machine, the Movie 150 is worth a try.  If you want a more powerful machine that is high speed biased and larger, than you can't beat the People GT 300i or the smaller HD 200.  As wonderful as these machines are, they just can't capture that smaller "scooter feel".  It is rare to find a  scooter that can handle both urban and highway riding without losing that scooter like charm and doing both well,  and in my humble opinion I think the Movie 150 will do just that!
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 07:55:05 PM by gitsum »
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2013, 12:05:58 AM »
Gitsum: I really respect your opinion on the Movie 150. Keeping in mind I haven't test-spin one, or I'm sure I never will. Just that I think I really like 16" rims vs. the more agile 12" I find that 12" rims get a little squirrelly @ higher speeds. Water-cooled "does" mean something.....I purchased a Super 8 a few months ago to leave @ my parents home in Florida that I visit 4 times a year. The Super 8 get's the job done, but I wished I purchased the SYM HD200. Water-coooled in Florida means something! You see...The nearest SYM dealer was 75 miles (@ the time) away when I bought the S8. The same Kymco dealer brought on SYM line a couple of months after I purchased the S8 (go figure) I bought the S8 because of value....@ $2399.00 (now it's $2499.00) & the delaer gave it to me for $2299.00 in November of 2012. The S8 14" rims are a very happy medium IMHO.

If you're a smaller person (I'm not @ 6' 230 lbs.) then maybe the Movie 150 would fit the bill. Maybe the Movie 150 has it's place. But...I think the SYM HD200 is the better choice overall. In fact I was ready to sell my new S8 for the HD200 to the dealer, but that fell through as they offered me a lower price because they sold a new S8 to a buyer that wanted mine. Too bad..because I was ready to pull the trigger.

BTW...The S8 has 9.39HP not 10.3HP My S8 (with my chubby frame) will get me up to 58MPH (GPS tested) with the wind @ my back. It's a great scoot for the coin, no question. It's a very simple semi-GY6 engine (good thing) & sips fuel like nobody's business. Keep in mind that I'm only @ 590 miles @ this point. I'm sure I'm past the "broken-in" period @ this point. I won't ride my S8 until September (7 months away) but I can guarantee it will start-up after a few cranks! I'm a fanboy of Seafoam, StarTron Ethanol Fuel Treatment, Lucas fuel & a few other "snake oil" additives. I owned a 2006 Kymco People S200 (carb) & it started-up every time after a hardcore 6 month New England Winter!

I don't think you should get a Movie 150 to replace your HD200. One thing that Kymco sucks @ is it's hard seats! Th SYM HD200 seat is like a "pillow" compared any Kymco! Nice to exchange thoughts with you gitsum!

I wanted to add as well the Movie 150 is still made in Taiwan vs. China. Here is a link for the Super 8 specs:

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/kymco_super_8_150_2012.php

« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 02:30:08 PM by MassScoot »
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2013, 04:06:47 PM »
According to Kymco Taiwan the Super 8 150 has 10.3 hp and it's the 125cc version that has 9.3 hp. 

The Movie 150 has a higher compression ratio, 4-valve head, and a different bore and stroke.  I noticed the Taiwanese specs for the fuel injected version is 13.5 hp.  I wonder if the carb version in the USA managed to produce the same amount, usually (but now always) fuel injection is able to squeeze out a tad bit more power.

My seat of the pants dyno tells me if the carbed version has less hp than the fuel injected one, it's not a significant difference.
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2013, 08:28:13 PM »
Gitsum: No way the Super 8 is 10.3HP My 2006 Kymco People S200 was 11.1HP @ 163cc with a carb. I can tell the difference between the S200 & the Super 8. The People S200 had more "zip" to it. Just recently, when I had an issue with my carb (lower rpm jet was clogged) he (The Kymco dealer) bi-passed a few of the EPA canisters & that made the top-end even better IMHO. Still..It's behind my older (now sold) People S200. 9.39HP sounds about right to me. 
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2013, 09:30:27 PM »
Gitsum,
At the expense of sounding patronizing I have followed MassScoot's posts since he became a member of KymcoForum.com and I can honestly say that he is probably the most knowledgeable member when it comes to scooters. I don't have a dog in this fight but if he has something to say about the quality, performance, and operation of a scoot take it to the bank!
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2013, 05:39:42 AM »
Here's three places that says the Super 8 150 has 10.3 horsepower?

http://sumsunmotor.com/cart/product/detail/site:sumsunmotor-pid:9951-title:KYMCO+Super+8+150

www.kymcousa.com/brochures/KYMCO-OnRoad_2013_Web.pdf

http://www.kymco.com/product/specification.asp?MotorCTID=E9DBBD17-7628-4B30-BADE-5E438E16ED47

That seems reasonable since the Buddy 150 is rated at 10.33 hp, Buddy 125 9.52 hp, and Agility 125 9.3 hp.  All air-cooled with carbs.

The People S200 has about 8% more displacement and about 8% more horsepower than the Super 8 150 (11.1 vs 10.3), that also seems reasonable...
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2013, 07:08:28 PM »
Mike...Many thanks for the kind words....You're a class act.  In fairness to Gitsum, he could be correct @ 10.3HP, but it feels more the 9.39HP too me. I know we are splitting hairs @ less an 1HP. The People S200 just a tad over 8% 149.7cc vs. 163cc is correct. Just that it "feels" like 9.39HP I own the Super 8, so I do have 1st hand knowledge with the trusty scooter. BTW...All the reviews I have found on the Buddy 125, finds it is quicker (makes sense smaller tires), but even top-end is better vs. the Super 8. I spoke with the local Kymco dealer in Florida about my Super 8 (that I keep down there) & he said the Agility 125cc & Super 8 150cc are really about the same in terms of speed. Either way it's a great scooter for the money, but I think they shouldn't raise the MSRP again anytime soon.

I thought long & hard about scoring the Agility 125 vs. the S8 150, but I thought the extra $600.00 was worth it in terms of looks. The Agility is a great value, but it's ugly (IMHO) & kind of cheap looking.     

Mike: One thought...I forgot to mention is that all of your links are for the Super 8 outside the USA or International. Please keep in mind all Kymco scooters must adhere to California EPA standards & that could take some of the HP overall.
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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 12:06:54 AM »
The Movie 150 seems to be a great combo of weight vs power and is probably one of the sportiest light weight scooters available. As far as the Super 8 power being less than 10.3 hp this is doubtful since Two brothers builds an exhaust for it and dyno tested it stock at 9.39 at the wheel. Unless Kymco has found a way to have zero driveline loss.

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Re: brief Movie 150 test ride!
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 09:14:45 AM »
The Movie 150 looks real interesting.  Thanks for the review.  If I was looking for a replacement for my Super 8, the Movie 150 would be at the top of my list.  However, I only have 11,000+ miles on my Super 8 and hope to put another 10-15k on it before I think of replacing it.  Unfortunately my local dealer had no plans to order the Movie 150.  He doesn't think it will sell when the Super 8 has a much lower price tag.

While the Sym HD200 seems to be a great scooter, I really like that zippy feeling you get from a small, lightweight scooter with smaller wheels. 

One question I have on the Movie 150.  How is the cornering clearance?  My biggest complaint on the Super 8 is limited cornering clearance.
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