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Joe7911

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Oil for Downtown
« on: May 15, 2013, 09:49:06 PM »
I'm ver picky when it comes to oil changes on a bike. I just did a change 600 miles and used the Motul Power Scooter 5W40 I got it at Motorcycle Superstore for $11.97 Liter and Hiflow filter another $4.25. I also changed the transmission oil with AGIP 85W90 Both oils are 100% synthetic.
 Just wanted to let you know the difference I found. I don't notice less hesitation on take off, and seems to have more power. I was using AGIP 5W40 oil and a 80W90 synthetic in the transmission. I took the bike for a second ride this time 15 miles same results. Motul claims to be specially formulated for Scooters up to 650CC. They sold me so far.
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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2013, 02:09:43 AM »
You are right... you will have more power in using Scooter Specific oils in your scoot because these types of oils have friction modifiers and are low friction type oils... In layman's terms, they are more slippery compared to the usual motorcycle oils.

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2013, 12:04:40 PM »
I was pleasantly surprised specially that this Motul was cheaper than other 100% synthetic Bike oil.
THis will be my oil on all my bikes from now on.

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2013, 01:49:03 PM »
Thanks Joe,

I'll put that on my list.  I found that Cycle Gear carrys it here in Texas.

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2013, 02:19:49 AM »
I have read the opposite. Scooter specific oils that are designed for wet clutches (that share motor oil with clutch) which amsol and Motul both are, do not have friction modifiers. Friction modifiers can cause your wet clutch to slip (which again are not our scooters because ours do not have the clutch bathed in the engine oil). Basically you are paying extra for oils that are less slippery.
Tom. Huntington Beach, California

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2013, 02:22:43 AM »
When I visit websites and read about scooter motor oils, they say that they are ok to use in wet clutch designs. From what I have read googling the difference between the wet clutch approved oils and the oils that are not ok to use with a wet clutch, the ones that aren't approved have friction modifiers that can cause wet clutches to slip. Friction modifiers make the oil more slippery.
It seems to me using a scooter specific oil, I am spending extra money to make my oil less slippery for a clutch that shares the oil, which my scooter does not have.
Confession, I am running Motul scooter oil right now not having really read all this before. I think I'm going back to the Royal Purple 10W 40 next change though. I think I spent twice as much for the Motul that I don't need, and may actually not be as good for this application. 
What say you?
Tom. Huntington Beach, California

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2013, 02:23:48 AM »
^ That's a post I made in the Like 200i board. I spent some time digging to find all this out.
Tom. Huntington Beach, California

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2013, 03:11:20 AM »
Some oil comparisons . . heavy duty . . synthetics.

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2013, 03:20:49 AM »
Just saw this post by Vivo
Regardless if it's synthetic or mineral... Scooter specific oilsor with the JASO MB rating is best for the scoot with dry clutch.... JASO MA are for those motorcycles with wet clutches... 
So I guess it depends on the letters on the bottle
Tom. Huntington Beach, California

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2013, 05:33:04 AM »
Oil is composed of two things.... Base oil and its Additives

Base oil = this is where your Mineral or Synthetic issue comes in.... base oil alone will not protect your engine.


Additives = this is where many people are not aware of.... Additives determines oil performance....

Here are some that are mixed with your oil at the factory....

Detergent additives,  are used to clean and neutralize oil impurities which would normally cause deposits (or sludge) on vital engine parts.

Friction modifiers, like molybdenum sulfide, are used for increasing fuel economy by reducing friction between moving parts.

Viscosity modifiers make an oil's viscosity higher at elevated temperatures. This combats the tendency of the oil to become thin at high temperature.

Deposit control additives prevent the formation of soft sludge and hard deposits of impurities.

Corrosion or rust and oxidation (R&O) inhibiting additives retard the oxidation of metal inside an engine.

Antioxidant additives retard the decomposition of the stock oil.

Antiwear additives or wear inhibiting additives cause a film to surround metal parts, helping to keep them separated.

Pour point depressants improve the oil's ability to flow at lower temperatures.

Anti-foam agents inhibit the production of air bubbles and foam in the oil which can cause a loss of lubrication, pitting, and corrosion where entrained air contacts metal surfaces.

Seal conditioners cause gaskets and seals to swell so that the oil cannot leak by.

Metal deactivators create a film on metal surfaces to prevent the metal from causing the oil to be oxidized.

Extreme pressure agents bond to metal surfaces, keeping them from touching even at high pressure.

Dispersants keep contaminants (e.g. soot) suspended in the oil to prevent them from coagulating.

Wax crystal modifiers are dewaxing aids that improve the ability of oil filters to separate wax from oil. This type of additive has applications in the refining and transport of oil, but not for lubricant formulation.


So, depending on its application... say, for diesel engines, gasoline engines, motorcycle engines, etc., and emission standards,  manufacturers have a specific formulation for each type and then assigned those letters on the label...  Diesel oils will have more detergent additives than other oils, other oils may have more seal conditioners than others, etc. etc....




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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2013, 02:37:49 PM »
Now we have completed OIL 101.  Thank for the information.

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Re: Oil for Downtown
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2013, 01:20:47 AM »
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