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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2014, 05:49:06 PM »
LEAVE :)

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No offence but leaving is no my game plan, i would much rather have the leaders of our country get their sh** together and stop messing around with high school drama two party bull-sh** system. If sh** hits the fan i plan to stick it out here, in MY country.
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2014, 06:00:24 PM »
You just hit the exact point I have been trying to establish... It's NOT your country.
Try to change one thing/anything you do not like on the Federal level.

I'll patiently await the results...
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2014, 07:15:27 PM »
"How many of you believe human life "Could" have began somewhere else (besides Earth)?
How many of you believe there is no "Power elite" plan to control the Earth?"

Being a Christian, I believe the biblical account of GODS creation of the Earth.

I don't believe in a "power elite" plan because man is just to stupid to carry out long term conspiracies.

Having at one time been a top level Freemason, that has all of the degrees from Blue Lodge, Scottish rite and York rites and other affiliated branches and being the Lodge education  and public relations officer for several Lodges, I was constantly amazed at the real negative press that the Lodge received from historically uneducated private citizens and journalist who continue to say that amongst other things, that Freemason want to or do control the world, want a new world order and want to eliminate organized religion etc-etc. What a load of poop but it does make good fiction in the conspiracies world.

Honestly, most Masons would have a hard time figuring out their own paychecks if there was overtime:)  I called Lodge meetings a gathering of mostly old men, to eat dinner, have a boring meeting and then go about their mundane lives.

There are only STATE Grand Lodges and there is no real communication except ceremonial ones.

Rule the world! Run the world! Most can't even spell conspiracy:)

I bring this up to show the nonsense and paranoia prevalent in the masses.

A person can't run away from life.

Sam:)

This is not meant to insult you but only to disagree, your a fine member here on this scooter forum and I want to count you as a friend. That said.

Jews have been persecuted throughout history by govt's of the world, with the buildup of Nazi Germany a ship full of Jews made it to several ports of call including the US, only to be turned away and sent back to Germany. By the way If I remember my history right, they all wound up dead in the end.

We (the US accepts any Cuban that touches US soil, but if someone from Haiti makes it to shore we ship them back.

We enact laws telling banks they have to loan people money for homes even though they can't afford the homes, than when the system fails we bail out the banks with tax payer money.

The US has bases in how many countries now? Do I need to go on? I could.

As for how humans got to earth I have no clue, I don't really think there is a God as religious people think there is, how would a true God allow so many innocent children to suffer around this world as they do?

I hope that helps some how.

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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2014, 10:40:52 PM »
I value your insights and opinions as I do Zombies and they make for stimulating thought.

 I am a Patriot and want so much to believe in my country as I used to but something happened to fundamentally change this country forever and that something is Obama. From the start, he's made headlines everyday, day in and day out, with his plan for radical social/ economic change, forced not legislated.

There are lots of bad things in the past, present and future to bring a person down but we have to be survivors and live to our fullest and best and love our neighbor as ourselves. Positive things must start with the individual.

Hindsight is 20-20 and it would be cool if we could travel back and change some mistakes we as people have propagated but alas there is the paradox equation to think about and frankly, we could be even worse off as a nation than we are now. We used to hold the moral compass for the entire world but we seem to have lost our direction.

People aren't the problem Folks, it's the Governments of ALL countries taking the people down with them.

I pray for world peace above all else.

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2014, 11:32:35 PM »
Porky, Once again I have to disagree with you. We the people are the ones to blame, we allow those in office to enact these laws, the laws that go against the very grain of our constitution. FDR started with SS, forcing every working American to pay into what amounts to a Ponzi scheme. Then they (the govt) goes and perverts that system even further over the years by allowing people that never worked a day in this country delve into the pot of gold. And we the people stand by and allow it to happen.

Things like NAFTA (North American free trade agreement) is simply another sad part of our history and insult to every American. We as a nation operate under treaties not "AGREEMENTS".

"The Patriot act" given to us by Bush, continued under Obama strips us of all rights as soon as they want to say you are a terrorist. Sounds like what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany. Now they have yet to come after Americans but they now have the right to.

How about "No protest zones"? I thought we had freedom of assembly?
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2014, 01:04:34 PM »
Quote: Porkie.
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People aren't the problem Folks, it's the Governments of ALL countries taking the people down with them.

I pray for world peace above all else.

I completely agree.
008. has a point that WE allowed it all to happen, but as I pointed out to B&L, we really had no choice along the way.
WE could not have stopped or prevented any of it.
It's like potty training a kid. You don't plop him/her on the toilet, and expect it to take root the first time.
They Gradually have "Trained" us to accept what they do. One liberty/law/war at a time.

It will come to a head at some point in time but I don't think it will be an uprising against tyranny, but instead a lock down of the people...
 http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/07/17/un-plot-confiscate-american-guns/

There is some speculation as to the authenticity of this report but the UN has swayed to global pressure (Bilderberg group) to develop a plan to dis arm Americans.
Odd that their trucks are deployed all thru the US right now. Maybe they're just practicing like the Air Force in State Forests, and the Army sending hundreds of tanks to the very same UN depots.
I'm sure it's all nothing to worry about.

If anything does happen FEMA has our backs. They have all those prison trains waiting
I hear Cuba is nice this time of year...
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2014, 01:50:14 PM »
We the people don't stand a chance in fomenting social and/ or political revolution, as the problem (Government) has effectively and secretly thrown up radical and deadly restrictions on our thoughts and freedoms.

We the people may think we have some kind of strength and talk about and want to force a radical, anarchist change upon our societies but after all of the hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades and centuries, we have accomplished nothing. No one ever actually does something because we are powerless:

Our powers have been stripped away by the over arching power of the 'alphabet' agencies, old and new, such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS, FEMA, ad nauseam.

Doing things the correct way to bring about change, by the legislative process will absolutely die in committee and go nowhere.

I'd like to say and believe that we can do something about these self serving politicians by how we cast our votes but when even that process is corrupted, with people voting in multiple cities and states, using phony paperwork, if using identity cards at all, dead people voting and their pets, non-citizens voting, absentee ballots cast by the same real or imaginative person numerous times, voter intimidation shown on live TV by the "new black panther party," etc and this ballot box stuffing goes on and on. The Demoncrats are registering felons in prison so they can cast absentee ballots. And we, the United States have the nerve to demand free and honest elections in other countries:)

How did a man from the most politically corrupt city in the U.S., in the most historically corrupt State in the U.S. and one that absolutely no one I ever talked to actually heard of him at all, become president in the first place and then be reelected???? I think that his election was phony and on purpose, so that Socialist agendas can be enacted---why not be like the rest of the world and have a 'Dictator' in the highest office. Look at his history, what he did, his philosophies and his complete lack of moral character and tell me how he could have been voted into office legally?

Everyone is afraid to say or do something about him because he and the Attorney General call anyone against them racist and then the fun stops. It's not his agenda and policies of bypassing congress and doing illegally what he wants to accomplish that's the problem, it's only that anything said or alleged against him is only racism and that stops everything dead in the water.

Guess what though, everywhere you might choose to live out of the U.S. has their own serious problems but you as an individual have very few legal rights at all in lots of places.

Trying to become a citizen in some foreign countries is almost impossible unless you are one of their preferred Immigrants: Doctors, Lawyers and Indian Chiefs can apply but our common folks aren't wanted, so don't apply unless you have lots of MONEY and spend it there.

Oh well, gotta get ready and go to Church this morning! I saw the new Christian movie: "God's not dead," last night at Church and I highly recommend it:)

Have a great day!

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2014, 04:00:48 PM »
Wow! A brilliant political/religious debate that doesn't end with "neener, neener, neener,"F" you. It is refreshing. :)
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2014, 04:12:31 PM »
We the people don't stand a chance in fomenting social and/ or political revolution, as the problem (Government) has effectively and secretly thrown up radical and deadly restrictions on our thoughts and freedoms.

We the people may think we have some kind of strength and talk about and want to force a radical, anarchist change upon our societies but after all of the hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades and centuries, we have accomplished nothing. No one ever actually does something because we are powerless:

Our powers have been stripped away by the over arching power of the 'alphabet' agencies, old and new, such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS, FEMA, ad nauseam.

Doing things the correct way to bring about change, by the legislative process will absolutely die in committee and go nowhere.

I'd like to say and believe that we can do something about these self serving politicians by how we cast our votes but when even that process is corrupted, with people voting in multiple cities and states, using phony paperwork, if using identity cards at all, dead people voting and their pets, non-citizens voting, absentee ballots cast by the same real or imaginative person numerous times, voter intimidation shown on live TV by the "new black panther party," etc and this ballot box stuffing goes on and on. The Demoncrats are registering felons in prison so they can cast absentee ballots. And we, the United States have the nerve to demand free and honest elections in other countries:)

How did a man from the most politically corrupt city in the U.S., in the most historically corrupt State in the U.S. and one that absolutely no one I ever talked to actually heard of him at all, become president in the first place and then be reelected???? I think that his election was phony and on purpose, so that Socialist agendas can be enacted---why not be like the rest of the world and have a 'Dictator' in the highest office. Look at his history, what he did, his philosophies and his complete lack of moral character and tell me how he could have been voted into office legally?

Everyone is afraid to say or do something about him because he and the Attorney General call anyone against them racist and then the fun stops. It's not his agenda and policies of bypassing congress and doing illegally what he wants to accomplish that's the problem, it's only that anything said or alleged against him is only racism and that stops everything dead in the water.

Guess what though, everywhere you might choose to live out of the U.S. has their own serious problems but you as an individual have very few legal rights at all in lots of places.

Trying to become a citizen in some foreign countries is almost impossible unless you are one of their preferred Immigrants: Doctors, Lawyers and Indian Chiefs can apply but our common folks aren't wanted, so don't apply unless you have lots of MONEY and spend it there.

Oh well, gotta get ready and go to Church this morning! I saw the new Christian movie: "God's not dead," last night at Church and I highly recommend it:)

Have a great day!

Sam:)

I hate politics. One thing tho, and keep in mind I'm not an Obama worshiper, but how can you mention that his was a phony election and not mention Bush Jr? Everyone loves to scapegoat Obama without mentioning anyone else, It's not like he got handed a golden Apple, it was already rotten. Bush straight cheated into office, then proceeds to pull the largest false flag operation since pearl harbor and invades a country on completely bogus terms. At least Obama didn't have to kill us citizens to invade countries under no pretence.
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2014, 04:53:03 PM »
Obama was/is the "perfect" patsy. Simply because of his race/ethnicity. The next one Will be Hillary. Guaranteed! She, and Bill have been invited to the Bilderberg conference for the last 3 meetings.
She never won NY senate any more than Bush Jr' won the US. If NY state were primarily black the state would have burned to the ground when she won. White folks just bitch about things...

Porkie is correct about immigration to other countries. You can visit anywhere you like, get a job anywhere, but try to open a business. Unless you can PROVE the worth to the state you can not simply move there, and rent a building.
Most countries are matter of fact about this as well.
The countries on my short list have all made immigration for start ups easier by waiving monetary deposits in their country but you are closely monitored by the state, and have goals.deadlines to meet.
If your business plan fails, you leave. No pleas or deals. just leave.

Soooo I've decided to move to Mexico, grow a mustache, and get phony papers that state I am a 12 year old Mexican. Then I can cross the border (w/ the aid of a friendly coyote) into the US, and get on welfare. That way I can save all the welfare money because I intend to sell crack for a living. Once I have 200k in welfare $$$'s I will shave the mustache, and get more phony papers stating I am a 25 year old neutron surgeon (they won't know what that is), and more to N.Zealand w/ my dogs.
Then I won't need to work.

Neener, neener F' you!
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2014, 06:45:29 PM »
Zombie, you made me LOL !!!!!!!!!!

Two people can hardly ever agree on anything.

Unfortunately, nothing we can do will change anything, so grin and bare it because it will only get worse and sooner rather than later.

In my faith as set forth in prophesy, things have to get worse to fulfill what must come about. Look at Ishmael and Issac and their thousands of years at odds with each other and look right now as nations line up against Israel which is a real no-no.

I was on vacation, on my way to southern, California last week and passed through OK city and Norman, OK, just in time to hear of the beheading of an American citizen by a deranged, insane and radical follower of Islam and then after no reaction whatsoever from Obummer or the whitehouse, he addressed the United Nations and sincerely complimented the Muslims for their great religion of peace. Nuff said.

We can't even move to the moon because the nations are already about to go to war over mineral right there:)

Let's all continue to languish in apathy and depression and just be happy with our temporary position in life and not make waves because it does no good to worry about it.

I'm free, classified as white and way over 21 and I have a wonderful family and I love and am loved in return, My health is good, I eat well, work hard, can go basically wherever I want, associate with whom I want to, have a nice home, business, cage vehicles and scooters and at least so far worship freely! I wish everyone in the world could be so blessed:)

My Son and His wife, he's a Fire dept Captain, EMT, Paramedic and Engineer, she is a top scientist for Monsanto and they both decided to open a faith based orphanage in Ayampe, Ecuador and the loops the Government made them jump through were horrendous. One of the things that they had to do was deposit $50,000 a piece into a Government escrow account to be used if they ever became dependent upon Ecuador for support, in case they became destitute. They did so and have started construction of the orphanage still being tied up by all kinds of NEW government regulations. There efforts are still on going.

Imagine if we made all of the Illegals coming into this country deposit a large sum of money to keep them off of the nourishment of the Government/ citizen supplied teat! If we stopped giving them everything their hearts desired at tax payers expense would the illegal immigration stop. No new "drop babies," that automatically become U.S. citizens, welfare, credit cards, food stamps, free school lunches, educations many time through college and now it was just announced that Illegal immigrants can join the United States Military Services. Weird, break the law and you are rewarded here and given the keys to the kingdom. If you are a career criminal from another country and incarcerated here, don't worry because Eric Holder or the next clone will just let you out of prison, even if you are/ were a major felon, even a murderer.

I don't blame the foreign people for wanting a better life for their families and I wouldn't deport working families nor family members but at least the Government could do it's job and secure our borders. We taxpayers are soon going to run out of money to support other families and government socialist programs.

Power to the Sheeple !!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2014, 07:16:13 PM »
People that disagree can make changes in the positive, look at the founding fathers of the USA, Alexander wanted a King, Adams and Jefferson argued often, Adams last words as he laid dyeing was, "And Jefferson lives".

These were all great men in their own rights but had greatly different ideas on what was the right direction for this country. In the end they pounded out a pretty good example of where we should go and how to get there. It took us, the people to get fat, lazy, enamored with the idea that more toys are better and now we have 2 parent families working to gain these toys and not one person in the household has the time to keep the politicians in check.

When I was a kid dad worked and mom stayed home and raised the kids, we had dinner at 6 PM and we talked as a family, in the 70's that all started to fly out the window with women’s lib (not women’s fault). However now we have single mothers with babies from several different men (both the women’s and men's fault) and not one person stepping up to put a stop to it. I am lucky enough to  sit in a nice family income, and it is still hard to raise our child (almost 5 now), how a single parent does it and works at the same time surely takes a toll on both the parent and the child.

We are allowing the govt. to put us in a place where we can't fight. Poor people have everything I have minus a couple of toys, but they have heat/AC, a car, a cell phone, a house phone, medical care, free scripts, money for clothes and food.

There is something wrong here, there is no incentive to pick one’s self up, dust one’s self off and get a JOB. There is no incentive to kick those in office out cause the majority simply votes themselves more free stuff.
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Re: If I die all of a sudden, look to the north.
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2014, 07:48:01 PM »
Good points whoever you are there my numbered friend.

It was easier to make a difference or be a hero when the country was very young and there were what, maybe 100 influential folks in the colonies!

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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2014, 10:12:43 PM »
All VERY good points indeed. Where do we all go from here? To Hell in that hand-basket ?
Problem seems to be the "machine" has filled the horizon so completely there is no room left to see the light. Sticking with that metaphor... The only way to stop a machine is to pull the plug.
Like you said Porkie, It is foretold that world MUST meet a grim demise in order for it to begin again. It has happened many times before, and sadly I believe it will happen many times in the future.
People just don't seem to learn... or care.

I wonder if there is a forum for that.

I think I'll just sit back, eat a NY strip steak, and some stuffed potatoes. After that I'll enjoy a glass or three of Cabernet, 1/2 a hippie cig. and wonder why no one pulls the plug.
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