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Italy Musings
« on: February 18, 2019, 08:14:45 AM »
Copied from some notes I wrote for myself this morning...

Pictures to follow - but it's not very easy for me to upload them from this tablet, and it's quite hard to take pictures of people's scooters without looking weird.


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Another day, another poorly thought out series of ramblings. I’m bashing this out on an old Android tablet and my faithful servant of a Bluetooth keyboard, bought for £5 a few years ago and somehow still running through thick and thin.

I’m sat on the balcony of our flat (for the week) somewhere near Belfiore in Florence, though I’m not entirely sure of the localities here. It’s probably less scenic than it sounds. It’s Monday morning around 9AM, traffic is heavy and builders are starting work on the building opposite. The small bicycle repair shop opposite is also closed, although it’s opening hours have been something of a mystery to me. The proprietors seem to come and go as they please, and spend most of the time outside of the shop smoking and talking on their mobiles even when they are in residence.

In the distance, highlighted by the skyline of the narrow street, I can see the Duomo looming up. It looks a lot closer than it actually is, which is testament to it’s obscene size. It really is spectacular to behold.

Anyway, I’ve harped on enough for now. Let’s talk about the automobiles.

As you’d expect, the Italians are pretty keen on Italian vehicles. The undisputed king of the roads is the Fiat Panda, which is popular at home as well, but here seems to make much more sense. Gone are the parasitic SUVs that blight the streets of the UK, and smaller cars are all the rage. Lancia still have a bit of a presence here, and old Lancia Ypsilons cruise around, looking a bit worth for wear. They are seriously ugly cars.

The commercial vehicles bring me joy as well. The Italians like their vans small, and there’s quite a few Piaggio Apes still around, carrying mostly fruit and flowers as far as I can tell. If you haven’t seen what one is, now is the time to search the internet for a picture. They’re bizarre. They are also very noisy. You never miss one approaching. The Piaggio Porter is also popular here; a “bread bin” mini van that appears in all sorts of configurations. There’s one shaped like a pickup truck down in the road below me now. In the UK, we used to have these; the Suzuki and Bedford Rascal, and the Daihatsu Hijet later on. Now, however, they’re all but gone.

Anyway, let’s talk about scooters. We all know that these are what I get excited about, after all!

I think I’ve figured the system out now. Basically, if you want scooter respect, there are only three options open to you; a Honda SH150, a Piaggio Liberty or an Aprillia Scarabeo, which is a model that’s all but disappeared everywhere else in the world. If it’s a two stroke, all the better. There are two strokes running around the streets here that should have been blown up and dead ten years ago, and the Italians don’t seem to be preoccupied with new models in the same way that they are in the UK.

Conspicuous by their absence are two models; the Honda PCX and the Honda Vision, the biggest scooter in France and the UK respectively. Despite sharing a border with the French, who totally love the PCX, there’s none here. I may have seen one, although I’m not sure. The Honda Vision, beloved in the UK and used by every delivery company without fail, isn’t here either. I can’t see why you’d have a Piaggio Liberty and not consider a Vision 110, so I’m a bit foxed by this if I’m honest.

Also conspicuous by their absence are Suzuki and Kawasaki. Apart from the occasional Burgman (Burgervan), Suzuki just aren’t here. Kawasaki, as far as I can tell, don’t exist here.

At the tier below the three undisputed gods of Italian scootering, there’s a tussle between a few more models. In contrast to my visit a few years ago, ownership of Vespa models seems to be on the down. A handful of battered PX models are still kicking around, but they’re far from ubiquitous as they once were in this country. Snapping at the heels of Vespa are the giants from Taiwan, Kymco and SYM. There’s not many streets you can walk down without happening across a Kymco Agility, and this is likely the result of every Piaggio dealer I’ve seen also being a Kymco dealer, whether for spares or dealing parts. The dealer network seems really strong and the network of small scooter shops throughout the city reflects the reality that 25% of the traffic here is scooters. If you really like scooters, as I do, it’s some version of heaven.The Agility models are pretty evenly split between the older, small wheeled carburetted versions and the newer “City” models with larger wheels. It’s perhaps testament to the quality of the Agility that they’re racing around the city, two-up, running happily past 50,000KM from the odometers I’ve seen.

Snapping at the heels of the Agility is the obvious European contender from SYM, their “Symphony 125”. It’s quite hard to pick them out from the Honda SH models kicking around, so I haven’t actually spotted that many. In the UK, SYM dwarf Kymco, but here their showing is on a much more even ground. They are great models. I have a lot of time for SYM; well built, dependable and with a nice range of scooters.

Notable again by their absence are Chinese scooters. In the UK, the Chinese import brand “Lexmoto” rule the roost of small-capacity machines. Here, however, there’s nothing Chinese at all. It seems that Italians may be more discerning, or maybe just more loyal, preferring their Piaggios and Aprillias to many machines from outside. Let’s not forget that the Piaggio Group (which has owned Aprillia since the mid ‘00s) is the fourth biggest producer of two-wheelers in the world, and it’s right on their doorstep. The SH model from Honda has clearly made it’s reputation here from quality, and I suspect Kymco’s foothold has come from being the budget offering of every Piaggio dealer. It’s a market that has everything it needs, and perhaps doesn’t need the influx of budget machines in the way that the UK did.

With a fairly narrow selection of bikes on the streets, let’s turn our attention to aftermarket parts.

I have seen maybe two bikes here that don’t have a significant screen, coming up to at least eye level and often shielding the hands as well. At first I struggled to work out the purpose of these, but then it became clear; everybody likes to ride with open-faced helmets without visors, and the screens essentially become their eye protection. The screen brands are predictable, with Givi, Isotta and Puig ruling the roost. I’d be surprised if these bikes are leaving the showroom without screens, and most of them seem to shun factory-fitted goodies for the aftermarket offerings of Givi and Shad, especially when it comes to top boxes. In the UK, top boxes and screens are predominantly Chinese. Here, they’re predominantly from Givi. Personally, I’ve never been able to justify the expense of buying from Givi, but perhaps I’m missing a trick.

There’s no doubt that the glorious scooter culture of Florence is fed predominantly by it’s very agreeable weather. It is February at the moment, and I’ve been walking around for a few days with a t-shirt on and occasionally a jumper. If it were this nice all the time at home, perhaps more of us would be riding scooters. In stark contrast to even my home city in the UK, the traffic here isn’t very bad at any time. Although I can’t deny it’s a bit frantic, the smaller proportion of cars really makes getting around easier, and there’s a large number of locals also using bicycles and the pay-per-use “Mobikes” to get around the city. The tram’s well used, and the busses are cheap and plentiful.

I do wonder if riding good quality scooters makes for a happier scooter culture as well. There are some absolute sheds riding around the city, but they’re still running, and older bikes are much more common than newer ones. We haven’t really been able to buy two stroke scooters here in the EU for a good few years now, but they’re here in force and the dense air has a distinct whiff of two-stroke in the mornings when you get down to street level. It’s a culture that’s more in love with their scooters, and sees commuting on them as a no-brainer rather than a chore. Perhaps, with the screens, top boxes and lack of protective gear, they’re on to something.
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Re: Italy Musings
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2019, 02:43:53 PM »
"....it's quite hard to take pictures of people's scooters without looking weird."


Now, you just must get over this concern about looking weird while taking pix of scooters.

Take this encouragement from a guy who regularly stands in Ohio streets taking scooter snaps.
(I ride a scooter in the Midwest....so -  - I've nothing to lose. Besides - once some of us have reached a certain degree of seniority on Earth - we don't give a flying fig what others think. )

Really wish Honda sold the SH150 here...or even a 125.
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Re: Italy Musings
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 05:22:20 PM »
Well done, Viper! Excellent piece well written and very enjoyable! What Stig said about not caring a fig! Also well written and on target! Life is good!
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Re: Italy Musings
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 08:34:43 PM »
Well done, Viper! Excellent piece well written and very enjoyable! What Stig said about not caring a fig! Also well written and on target! Life is good!

Thank you, I appreciate this comment a lot. I have been trying to get my writing in shape for a while now.

Stig - I'll try to get more pictures but I am still a fair few years South of "senior" for now!
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 03:28:24 AM »
Thank you for a very informative, enjoyable read, Mr. Viper.

Interesting that Vespa's seem to be less popular in Italy then here in California. On group club rides at least half the scoots are Vespas.
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Re: Italy Musings
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2019, 11:25:19 AM »


As you’d expect, the Italians are pretty keen on Italian vehicles. The undisputed king of the roads is the Fiat Panda, which is popular at home as well, but here seems to make much more sense. Gone are the parasitic SUVs that blight the streets of the UK, and smaller cars are all the rage. Lancia still have a bit of a presence here, and old Lancia Ypsilons cruise around, looking a bit worth for wear. They are seriously ugly cars.

......................The Italians like their vans small..........

Anyway, let’s talk about scooters............
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The dealer network seems really strong and the network of small scooter shops throughout the city reflects the reality that 25% of the traffic here is scooters.

There’s no doubt that the glorious scooter culture of Florence is fed predominantly by it’s very agreeable weather. It is February at the moment, and I’ve been walking around for a few days with a t-shirt on and occasionally a jumper. If it were this nice all the time at home, perhaps more of us would be riding scooters. In stark contrast to even my home city in the UK, the traffic here isn’t very bad at any time. Although I can’t deny it’s a bit frantic, the smaller proportion of cars really makes getting around easier, and there’s a large number of locals also using bicycles and the pay-per-use “Mobikes” to get around the city. The tram’s well used, and the busses are cheap and plentiful.



Thanks for a great post - it brought back many good memories.

To understand "scooter culture" in Italy, one actually needs to understand Italian culture in general, as well as living conditions of most Italians in general.
 During a visit to Italy I spoke to quite a number of Italians, and discovered that they indeed treasure healthy, supportive, and caring family traditions - which is part and parcel of "Italian culture".

As far as scooters are concerned - yes, the weather might play a role but I think family traditions, the economy, and living conditions in Italy play a bigger role.
Firstly- healthy family traditions, as well as a restricted economy dictates that families often stay together, and parents often support their children much longer - compared  to other countries in the world.
Families who live together often do not have parking space, or shelter for a number of big vehicles. Therefore they simply don't buy a number of big vehicles - they rather buy small cars and scooters, and often share these vehicles.
Most Italians in cities make use of transport like trem buses, buses, trains, scooters, and even bicycles to go to work - therefore traffic is often not as bad as elsewhere in the world.

During our visit to Bologna we saw many students and working people arriving at the railway station on bicycles and scooters each morning. The scooters were parked neatly in a parking area, but the bicycles were literally "parked" on top of each other next to the scooters.

Building structures, and the way buildings are used in Italy also helps to eliminate the need of having a number of vehicles in each family. Building structures in all Cities I saw were never too high. The ground floors of most buildings were used as shops and offices - while the rest of the building (4 or 5 floors) was used as accommodation for citizens in the area. Many of those citizens  work in the area, or use public transport to go to work elsewhere. Parking space for vehicles are limited, so the people simply don't buy a number of vehicles.

In Venice we discovered that some citizens have cars or scooters, but those vehicles get parked elsewhere on the main land, because only boats are allowed in Venice.  Many citizens in Venice don't even own cars or scooters, simply because they can't use those vehicles in Venice.

In short - I simply love Italian culture. They treasure close family ties in general, and scooters are part and parcel of their way of life. I think the world can learn a lot from the Italians.

Maybe this is a better explanation:
https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/italian-culture/italian-culture-family







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Re: Italy Musings
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2019, 02:38:08 PM »
Really enjoyed reading your post, you do have a gift for writing, keep it coming!  :D

Have been to Firenca, and have seen a fair amount of Tuscany by motorcycle. Beautiful part of the world.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2019, 03:40:34 PM »
I lived/worked/rode in Italy in the 80's-----great place to ride, and at that time ride Vespa----I also had BMW R80RT, my local shop even had German speaking mechanic, so we could talk.    Think problem , Japanese/Asian bikes are more reliable and priced right, thus the lack of Vespas....they are just too expensive now.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 08:01:01 PM »
Being of Italian/Irish decent, I also share your sentiments on Italy. I lived and studied in Rome for about 8 years and loved travelling on my scooter to various small villages outside the main city. The scenery is amazing and I am always in the mood for a good cappuccino and a slice of pizza or gelato....Some of my favorite rides include driving along the Mediterranean coastline near Anzio, Nettuno and Ostia. Also travel near the mountains was beautiful.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2019, 08:21:08 AM »
To me the most fascinating part of visiting another country is to try to understand different cultures, history, to see historical architectural structures, and to have conversations with as many citizens possible. Appreciating nature is always something special, but I always find the "human factor" in other countries far more interesting.

I was actually part of a group who visited Italy during 2003. The main purpose was to visit an industrial Trade Show in Bologna., but we also visited Venice and Milan. I obviously missed many many interesting places in Italy, but talking to ordinary citizens in Italy, and trying to find out more about history from their perspective really made the visit very interesting. Watching historical structures and art in Venice was an unbelievable experience.

To be honest, if I want to appreciate nature, there is no need for me to go anywhere - I can appreciate nature right here in South Africa. There are many beautiful places in South Africa which I will never be able to see.
To my experience visiting other countries and trying to understand other cultures,  is an extremely fulfilling experience. It surely helped me to understand many things in life better, and to become a better human being.

My attitude during visits to the USA is exactly the same. So far i visited and toured 14 States in the USA.  America is a beautiful country, but the best part of my visits to America was to talk to ordinary citizens of America.
Being very interested in history, I found places like Drayton Hall, and Charleston in South Carolina extremely interesting.
Walking the streets of Charleston reminded me about the fact that civilization in South Africa only started about at the time when streets in  Charleston already existed.
The Gateway Arch museum in St Louis, Missouri was also a wonderful experience.

And of course - during one of our visits we've been highly honored to visit and stay over at a Huterite colony near Great Falls, Montana. This visit became one of the highlights of my lifetime. Both my wife had tears in our eyes when we had to leave those wonderful people.

In short - life is a gem, we just need to appreciate and respect other countries and cultures in life.






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