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CROSSBOLT

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Re: Rear tire blues
« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2019, 01:12:51 AM »
Road racers occupy the entire performance envelope of their machines and spend a great amount of time in extreme bank angles dragging knees and elbows. A car tire in that scenario would be totally unsatisfactory since it is not capable of supporting traction/adhesion at those angles. Conversely, most of us never get anywhere near the performance limits of our machines and while touring, highway cruising and riding "honey-do's" to the grocer and pharmacy spend most of our sedate riding nearly straight up, cornering at reasonable bank angles (klaviator excepted!) leaving generous "chicken strips" on our oval cycle tires. Clearly, even to the less educated, we have two entirely different performance applications. The only mutual connection is the two wheels on each end of a motorized frame. The racer needs the tire to last the race. The recreation rider needs the tire to outlast the season. And stay within the budget. Now over the years I have learned from many people, some with great, long experience and some nuggets with a fresh outlook. I have learned to listen to a great many people and have learned to ignore many, mostly the ones with closed minds. The most recently ignored was a PhD who was totally off base and totally commited to his ego. He was asked a question he was ignorant of the answer. He was actually ignorant of the fact he was unaware the very thing he believed strongly did not exist in the very book he used as a reference. His ego got in the way of knowledge and truth. He put too much faith in "we always have done it that way" and "that is the policy."
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Re: Rear tire blues
« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2019, 03:05:36 AM »

I see only advantage with car tire is long wear--

nope, car tires are made with rubber that doesn't need to be warmed up for traction, they also put sipes in their tires, real sipes , not make believe sipes that are starting to show up on bike tires.

show me a bike tire that works on snow & ice
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Re: Rear tire blues
« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2019, 12:09:42 PM »

I see only advantage with car tire is long wear-----

I once rode with a guy who was on a Gold Wing with a car tire.  His reasons for using a car tire were not longer tire wear.  His first reason was that he lived on a dirt road and the car tire worked much better on the dirt road than a MC tire.  His second reason was that he mounted a run flat tire.  There are no run flat MC tires that I know of.

BTW, I could hear him dragging metal parts trying to stay with me in the curves so the car tire was not holding him back, the bikes cornering clearance, or lack thereof, was.  He did admit that on the curvy roads we where riding a MC tire was less effort to ride.
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Re: Rear tire blues
« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2019, 02:19:07 PM »
Try these for original thinking...

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/2wheelcar/2wheelcar.htm

Or this...
https://www.wired.com/story/gyro-x-lane-motor-museum/

Or THIS you can buy right now if'n you have 70 grand disposable and the "hots" for something unique!

https://www.wired.com/2008/11/monotracer-the/

The POINT of all this is all these schemes were hatched in the imagination, were constucted mostly on the go, cut-and-try until something happened that was close to the original thought. Knew a local guy a few years back, Harrison Crawford, was once a big-shot engineer at Ford, instrumental in the design, manufacture and REFINEMENT of the Falco/Comet/Mustang cars. He told me of a project to reduce the interior noise level in one of the frame and body models at Ford at the time. He said they experimented with hundreds of compunds of rubbery bushings between body and frame. I asked him if this was the essence of "engineering" and he said it was for the most part! Cut-and-try! Experiment!
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Karl

Three motorcycles 1960-1977 (restored a 1955 BSA)
Agility 50
Yager 200i
Downtown 300i
Navy tech, Ships Engineer, pilot and aircraft mechanic

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