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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2012, 01:55:03 PM »
Nice  :)

Again great documentation. Changing that throttle cable is a bi### huh?

Yea, the cable was a total pain, but even worse was threading the cable at the carb, through the carb slide, man I almost threw it across the garage trying to compress the spring, thread the cable, etc.

Ok, I have a spare plug, so I will give that a shot and see how it looks.  I'll post back when I know some more info.  Hopefully its ok for now, as I am hoping to ride it to work tomorrow, which is only about 5 miles away.

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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2012, 04:45:19 AM »
Ok, Peters, I follows the instructions on that link you sent me, the only difference in my test, was that I ran it at full throttle for about 30 to 40 seconds, which may have been too short of a run.  Either way, I pulled the plug, ran home on the old plug, and chopped it, and here is what I found (its hard to get a good pic of the ring, but hopefully you can see it):







So, it looks a little light, and almost 2mm thick.  I think the ring is smaller because of how short the full throttle run was.  Also, I think that the jetting is actually ok though, because I did a couple runs and it really runs strong from idle to full speed.  I got it up to just under 50mph tonight.  So, my stock airbox has 4 holes drilled in the lid.  One on the bottom, and 3 along the outer part of the lid.  All holes are about 7/16" in diameter.  So, since looking at the ring, I figured it might be a tad lean, I went ahead and put black tape over the three holes in the lid, leaving just the one in the bottom (besides the factory opening). I figured this would richen the mixture a bit, and I could see how it ran.  I made the same trip down the road, and it burbled a bit on acceleration from idle, and at speed, when I rolled into it, it would have to clear out a bit then would do ok.  I removed the tape from one hole, so now two were covered, and two open.  Still burbled a bit, but a bit better.  Took the tape off, and bam, back to great acceleration from idle to full speed.  It definitely feels the best with 4 holes open in the stock airbox.

I don't get any stumble at full speed, indicating a lean condition.  The pipe looks good, not overheated close to the cylinder, so I am hoping that I got lucky, and it is jetted ok on the main jet.

The only area I noticed  it a bit rough, is when you are just cruising, not really giving any throttle, or decelerating... the motor kind of does this fast bup bup bup bup sound.  Not smooth, but also it just kind of sounds like a 2 stroke.  It might be totally normal, just thought I would see what you guys thought about it.

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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2012, 03:10:15 PM »
Looks pretty good man. Maybe a little lean. HEY ZOMBIE! Where ya at?
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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2012, 11:57:36 PM »
It's hard to say on such a short run but all the extra work/trouble shooting you did makes it sound correct.You are always better off on the rich side for sure. I'd run it about 2 miles, and try a second chop to verify what you found. You are going to have a super nice bike when you are done. Good work!
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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2012, 12:09:28 AM »
I rode it 5 miles to work this morning, and it came right up to almost 50 mph with room to spare... I was pretty impressed.  I'm not seeing much smoke from the pipe, but the power is super smooth all the way from idle to full speed.  Hopefully the test with the tape over the airbox was a good enough test.  As soon as I put any tape over the holes, man, it would studder through acceleration just a bit, so hopefully I'm ok.

Should I be concerned that I don't see a bunch of smoke coming out of the pipe? 

Also, what mix should I be running per gallon again... how many ounces of oil?  I think I am running a little extra oil in this tank of fuel.

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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2012, 12:15:18 AM »
The OEM pump does 50:1 at wot, and closer to 100:1 near idle. If you add 2oz per gallon that will get you near 32:1 at wot, and 50:1 at idle. No smoke is better than loads of smoke, just spin the engine over with the spark plug removed, and check to see if the pump is working by pulling the hose.
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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2012, 12:24:30 AM »
Cool man  8)

Yeah mine does the same thing if I try to cover the holes in the box...

You shouldn't see any smoke coming from the new pipe. That's a good thing. No carbon build up  ;). Mine is just starting to smoke a little on cold starts. My pipe is about 2 years old now.

He has the pump shaft pulled out and is running premix

I run about 3.3 Oz. per gallon or 16.5 Oz. for 5 gallons. That's a ratio of about 40:1 ... actually a little closer to 38:1

If you're adding more than that, backing it down to 40:1 will richen the air/fuel mix a little.
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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #68 on: July 20, 2012, 12:44:15 AM »
He has the pump shaft pulled out and is running premix     Got ya!
4oz is what I use per gallon. 32:1. That is the richest you can run. Any more requires up jetting... again.
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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #69 on: July 20, 2012, 04:49:09 AM »
That may be my lean condition then, as I think I have about 4 oz per my tank right now... so, am I safe to run 40:1?  I think if I do that, its less oil, but should be a richer mixture, just want to make sure its safe to ride at that ratio.

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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2012, 05:33:58 AM »
It's safe. Just depends on what you want to do. Zombie is running a high performance set up. I tend to lean towards a more everyday reliable set up.
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Re: 2001 People 50 Restore, with BBK Install (50 2T)
« Reply #71 on: July 20, 2012, 05:53:16 AM »
Great point. I wasn't thinking apples to oranges... Really 50:1 is optimal for an engine spinning 9k rpm. Its not as much about the piston/cyl as it is about the bearings. Both upper, and lower. The bigger the piston, the more drag you create. The more drag the more torque you create on the bearings. More torque one the bearings means more heat. To remove that heat you need more oil. 40:1 is fine for a first "break in" tank. 50:1 is fine for all round riding. I ran the injector on a Malossi sport for years with no issues, and that oil is constantly changing. I also broke in, and ran an 87cc kit for several months on 90:1. The kit did fail but it was from a cracked pipe/lean burnout.
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