Counter steering

[Vivo]

This discussion is a mute point unless you're riding a 110cc + scoot.  If I get my Honda Metro up to 30 (at the top of it's curve) I can maybe counter steer on a corner but that's the only time.   I'd have to scrape the lower panels to counter steer slower than that.   And it'd probably just lay down midway through the turn.

I ride my old 100cc Honda at 50mph and I can counter steer on twisting roads...

[Peters]

You can lean my people into a turn as far as you've got the balls to go. Besides, a major application for counter steering is when you're avoiding something in the road at the last second... Say some roadkill or a pothole. Counter steer can be used to very quickly to change direction of the bike and recover just as quickly. It's sort of an instinct... you don't really even think about it.

[Vivo]

You can even do it on a bicycle............... 

http://www.hakesport.com/counter-steering-on-a-bicycle/

[JJJoseph]

Huh? I do this all the time especially at higher speeds... Do you ride? How do you steer? corner at 50 or 60mph?  Maybe you ride slooow because one cannot counter steer at 10 or 20 mph...

I've been racing & riding for longer than you've been alive.   It's intuitive on bicycles, but should be done with care on faster machines.

[Peters]

I've been racing & riding for longer than you've been alive.

Highly doubt that

[Vivo]

I've been racing & riding for longer than you've been alive. 

Then you must be more than a hundred years old.... hmmm...

mobility scooters can't be counter steered...

[Stig / Major Tom]

please see my last post.....
it is ALL explained clearly there!
Bernice is good with it...........

[CosmoKorny]

Where's the headbang smilie?!!

[CosmoKorny]

Sorry, but the entire "counter-steering" nonsense should be exposed as just so much 2-wheel baloney.  The photos here show the extreme BS involved.  Counter-steering is a term to describe certain high-speed dynamics in high-powered superbikes.  The average rider should not even be thinking of this high-tech stupidness.  All it does is spread confusion amongst normally safe bikers going about their daily rides to and from work.  I suspect that some 2-wheel instructors may be trying to puff up their already overblown egos by shoving this crap onto unsuspecting riders.

Try it on a bicycle dude, just try it.  Then shut the he!! up you're the one confusing people.

[CosmoKorny]

I hope we can all agree that a scooter, or any two wheeled vehicle for that matter, is turned, at speeds greater than approximately 15 mph, by leaning.  Under 15 mph it can be turned by steering the front wheel in the direction you intend to go.  Agreed?

So, in the simplest of terms, counter-steering is a method to force your two wheeled transportation to lean, thus initiating a turn.

I will leave it at that for now... 

[Stig / Major Tom]

I hope we can all agree that a scooter, or any two wheeled vehicle for that matter, is turned, at speeds greater than approximately 15 mph, by leaning.  Under 15 mph it can be turned by steering the front wheel in the direction you intend to go.  Agreed?

So, in the simplest of terms, counter-steering is a method to force your two wheeled transportation to lean, thus initiating a turn.

I will leave it at that for now... 

You win a donut!
(please watch for the FedEx man)

[johnson]

Two donuts.  I'm buying. 

[CosmoKorny]

[CosmoKorny]

Doooonuuuuts, yum!

Now get out there and ride damit stop talking about it like a clutch of little old ladies.  I want to here some parts dragging counter steering induced yeehaws!   

[cochi]

Hi guys, this is my first post on this forum. I've been riding motorcycles for more years than I care to admit. I'm new to scootering and having a blast. The video posted by cosmokorny is one of the best I've seen on counter steering. Vivo thanks for starting this thread.  As for the fellow who thinks that counter steering is bunk, he may come from a parallel universe where the laws of physics are a bit different than the ones we have here! cochi