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Vintage MX

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Stig was right.
« on: April 27, 2014, 12:26:00 AM »
I have made several posts in recent weeks concerning making my Like 50 faster.  I wasn't looking for a 70mph monster but I did want to cruise the back roads at 40mph.  With a Technigas Silent Pro, smooth variator bushing and +1000 rpm spring, I could only get 36mph under ideal conditions.  I am a good engine tuner so I think the combination of my generous weight and the high altitude here meant that my top speed was not going to be as good as some others have posted with similar mods.  When I made a posting looking for just a few more mph, Stig suggested I just sell the 50 and get a 200.  At first, I disagreed saying I really didn't want to go as fast as the 200 and that I was avoiding in town traffic.  Had a hard fall from a Yamaha RD350 a long time ago and did not want to be tempted to play in traffic anymore.

But still, he had a point.  In my state, you need a motorcycle license to ride a 50, so that was already taken care of.  And the 200 should need a lot less maintenance than a hopped up 50, and it gets better gas mileage, and....   Long story short: I sold the 50 for a little more than I paid for it and got a 200 in fantastic condition for a very low price ($1,500).  So, thanks bro. You helped me make a better decision than I would have on my own.
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Re: Stig was right.
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2014, 12:31:56 AM »
Great!  You should be able to get 58ish out of the 200...if the situation requires.  It's been my top speed stock at 170 pounds :)

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2014, 01:52:08 AM »
Hey, congrats on your 200i, I'm sure your going to love it. My top speed on my Like 200i is 62mph. Now that's by the speedo on the scoot. And I weigh a nice round 275. These little guys can get up and go if they need to. I love that I can go 50mph with no problem and still have a bit of throttle left just in case.
     Have a great time with your new Like and ride safe, mscmkr

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Re: Stig was right.
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2014, 02:16:20 AM »
I have made several posts in recent weeks concerning making my Like 50 faster.  I wasn't looking for a 70mph monster but I did want to cruise the back roads at 40mph.  With a Technigas Silent Pro, smooth variator bushing and +1000 rpm spring, I could only get 36mph under ideal conditions.  I am a good engine tuner so I think the combination of my generous weight and the high altitude here meant that my top speed was not going to be as good as some others have posted with similar mods.  When I made a posting looking for just a few more mph, Stig suggested I just sell the 50 and get a 200.  At first, I disagreed saying I really didn't want to go as fast as the 200 and that I was avoiding in town traffic.  Had a hard fall from a Yamaha RD350 a long time ago and did not want to be tempted to play in traffic anymore.

But still, he had a point.  In my state, you need a motorcycle license to ride a 50, so that was already taken care of.  And the 200 should need a lot less maintenance than a hopped up 50, and it gets better gas mileage, and....   Long story short: I sold the 50 for a little more than I paid for it and got a 200 in fantastic condition for a very low price ($1,500).  So, thanks bro. You helped me make a better decision than I would have on my own.
Vintage... YOU are the one who made the correct call for yourself and your needs. Congrats!
I understand that some folks buy a 50cc scoot because they love to 'engine build' , and some buy a 50 because of licensing restrictions, insurance or other reasons. We've seen new scooter owners get frustrated after spending time and $$  trying to "up grade" a 50cc scoot to run with more power and speed and proper driveability. Perhaps they just needed to spend two or three hundred $$ more, initially,  at the dealer's , and come home with a larger scooter! For the same $$ outlay they have the added speed and power....with perfect turn-key driveability AND the 2 yr warranty intact by buying a slightly bigger scooter.
Also, hearing your concerns - I think you will find the LIKE200i to be a very comfortable and safe urban commuter. Enough poop at the twist of the throttle to get you out of testy intersections and tight spots - and the speed to run on the slightly faster 45>50-mph roads, if need be. It is NOT a highway cruiser - but a responsive urban scooter. Frankly, it feels like it could run all day long in the mid 40's - for years to come. I do not take it on 55mph country highways - where the actual traffic speeds are 60+mph. For those speeds, I would recommend the SYM HD200 (@170cc's ?)- which can cruise at 60mph, and reach 70 for short periods - comfortably I am told.
It has got to be much more comfortable cruising with 40mph traffic - knowing there is 15 or so more mph's available if you need them in the LIKE200i, than having the grip turned to the stop and still barely being fast enough to stay with the flow. Ride without wondering what more you need to 'do' to your scooter motor or transmission. Kymco's already taken care of that for you!
Enjoy your 'new' scoot, and ride safe.
Stig
« Last Edit: April 29, 2014, 12:29:22 AM by Stig »
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2014, 03:01:56 AM »
Thanks to all for your encouragement.

Had the bike out today for the first time and found it would do 50mph into a moderate (15 to 20 mph) headwind and 59 in the calm.  That's it but that's enough.  The speedo is spot-on when compared to my iPhone GPS app.  By the way, I am 5' 11" and weigh 220 pounds dressed to scoot.  Love the quiet of the motor but I was also passionate for the muffled 2 stroke roar of my relatively quiet aftermarket exhaust on the Like 50.  Apart from the engine, I am really enjoying that rear disk brake.  So much better than the rear drum on the smaller model.  Strong, controllable brakes are a wonderful thing on any two wheeler.  Rear suspension is better too.  Previous owner took great care of the 200.  It came to me in showroom mint condition with 780 miles.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2014, 09:46:34 AM »
Oh that's interesting! Congrats to your 200 :) I am one of those who are limited to 50cc unless I get a bigger license, higher insurance etc. and I am pretty happy with 50cc here :) I achieved 46 mph top speed easily with simple tunings anyway.

I am in love with the blue Like model which they only sell as 200cc, right? I would like to know if the suspension feels different on the 200 and if there are any differences apart from the engine and brakes that feel different to the 50?

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2014, 12:10:15 PM »
Handling on the Likes (50 and 200) seems very much the same to me.  I think the 200 weighs 20  pounds more but you can't really feel it.  The rear suspension in the 50 is a single shock while the 200 is a dual shock.  Differences are slight here but I do think the 200 has the better ride.  The jolt is just a little softer on the medium bumps.  Almost got a blue/black one myself but I was concerned about visibility.  But that could be helped with a little reflective tape and/or a lighting upgrade.  Instead, I got a red one again.
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2014, 11:47:23 AM »
Thanks for the info, MX! Yeah I agree, riding the 200 might be more relaxed in the end...

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2014, 10:11:03 PM »
I saw the thread titled "Stig was right", and couldn't help wondering...  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 04:23:38 AM »
Is still legal in other states to ride a modifed 50cc that can exceed 35 mph without an endorsement? Oregon also restricts the max top speed which I think would make most of the modifed 50's technically illegal.
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014, 04:30:03 AM »
True. Modified 49.5cc scoots (49.5cc plus, 36mph plus) are illegal for road use only if operated without a motorcycle endorsement. They are legally classified as motorcycles.

However, Unlike most scooter riders we like to scrape paint, and we tend to enjoy our bikes just a little bit more.



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Re: Stig was right.
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2014, 12:57:20 AM »
Is still legal in other states to ride a modifed 50cc that can exceed 35 mph without an endorsement? Oregon also restricts the max top speed which I think would make most of the modifed 50's technically illegal.
Peace and ride safe.

Yes it would be illegal. That is why many don't change the badging on their scooter to identify it as such. Also, the likelihood of a peace officer (in the USA) knowing that a scooter has been modified is slim to none. So while it is illegal, many get away with it as the odds are in their favor. I knew a guy who modified his 50cc to go about 40 to 45 mph. When pulled over he played stupid and told the cop he take it to his dealer to find out what was up. That was all the cop needed to hear to let him go.

Please don't take this as my endorsement to do the same.  ::)
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2014, 10:04:58 AM »
Oh :D same happened to me three times already with my tuned scooter and I was always lucky. you just have to play overly stupid about tweaking and working on your scooter.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2014, 04:44:12 PM »
I had the local cops do my radar runs at the airfield, and the whole department is aware of my bike.
Sometimes it easier to hide in plain site. ;D
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