700I prices?

[gn2]

SkuTorr:The HOT Maxi Segment is the 400cc, EU A2 license compliant Sport Scooters...NONE of which are imported here.

400cc sport scooters?
Let me see, there's the Xmax 400 and the Xciting 400.
The Xmax is a rebodied steel framed Majesty and isn't at all popular, the Kymco has the same amount of underseat storage as the average 125 so it will never be popular either.
So you're really not missing much.

[Porkie]

Lots of us have been waiting to throw a leg over the Honda Integra 700 DCT, that has been out for about 3 years but has never made it to our shores---wonder why?

The scooter world looked forward to the MYroad 700 and it seemed like 10 years before one landed in the states.

Why Yamaha isn't exporting the T-max to the US anymore is anyones guess:(

The 650 Cheeseburger is getting old too but right now, I have my eye on another one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like the Forza but it was a tad to small for me @ 6ft-5in and 300+ lbs!

The BMW scoots keep winning all of the magazine awards but it may have to do with income generating from BMW advertising:)

Sam:)

[gn2]

Lots of us have been waiting to throw a leg over the Honda Integra 700 DCT, that has been out for about 3 years but has never made it to our shores---wonder why?

Do you get any of the NC range or just the CTX?
The Integra is crap as a scooter, chain drive and zero storage.
Basically its just a regular motorcycle in a dress.

[Porkie]

We in the US get all of the NC and CTX motorcycles, with 6 speeds and the auto.

We don't get the Integra 700 yet.

A chain rear drive on a scooter is not a deal breaker for me--chains have been around absolutely forever on bikes and scooters.

When is a scooter not a scooter, just ask a dedicated VESPA zealot who by the thousands will tell you that a scooter must have a completely FLAT FLOOR. To them, all other scooters are just pretenders to the throne.

To each his own:)

Sam

[BettinANDlosing]

I classify a "scooter" by the fact that the engine and drive train/swingarm/wheel are all one unit. If the suspension and engine are separate it's no scooter.

[AMAC1680]

I classify a "scooter" by the fact that the engine and drive train/swingarm/wheel are all one unit. If the suspension and engine are separate it's no scooter.

Although by definition an argument can be made for that, in today's world the line is so blurred there's more to it. Some would offer it must be step-thru. Some small wheels some..........

A conversation about what makes a scooter a scooter is right up there with oil, helmets and religion.
Everybody has a different idea.

Be Big,
AMAC

[gn2]

For me a scooter must be low maintenance and practical, two virtues which make for an ideal transport solution.
Chains are out, on board storage is a must have.

[BettinANDlosing]

For me a scooter must be low maintenance and practical, two virtues which make for an ideal transport solution.
Chains are out, on board storage is a must have.

Why would chain be out of you want low maint? Belts have really short maintenance intervals compared to chains.

[gn2]

Chain has far higher maintenance requirement than a CVT belt.
Chain requires regular checking, lubrication and adjustment.
And the oil makes for additional cleaning workload.
Belt in my Forza needs no checking, no lubrication, no adjustment, just changed at 16,000 miles.
CVT = no fuss no hassle no mess.

[Porkie]

There is some misunderstanding here: A CVT has to use a belt, never a Chain. Go to youtube and watch any of hundreds of videos showing CVT's in action.

The 'Final drive' on scooters/ motorcycles, can be by chain, gears, belt or ring and pinion.

My order of approval is: ring and pinion and belts on larger bikes and then chains. On scooters, it's gears, chains or belts.

Sam:)

[BettinANDlosing]

We were arguing maintenance chain vs belt, motorcycle vs scooter.

[Porkie]

No one is arguing anything Spud.

CVT's are always by belt from the engine to clutch from there, there are various ways to get the power to the ground:

The Kymco Xciting 500 has enclosed gears, bathed in oil.

The 650 Burgman has a series of 5 or 6 gears enclosed and bathed with oil.

The new Tmax has a Belt final drive, like a Harley.

The BMW scooters have an enclosed motorcycle type chain, bathed in oil.

Symantics are fun!

Sam:)

[gn2]

Symantics are fun!

So are semantics 

And for clarity, exposed chain final drive as found on most motorcycles is what I meant.

[Porkie]

Thank you oh Sensei for your spelling correction and for your clarification of what you ACTUALLY meant.

Sam:)

[Dawsman]

Pre owned 2014 model for sale at a local Honda dealer here in DFW area - $3999. Not sure how many miles. I left them a message. Will post mileage when they reply.