Increasing performance on 2012 super 8

[BettinANDlosing]

any headshop will have a scale for $5 or less. They are also super cheap on amazon

Plus you can bundle and get yourself nice new bong.

[zombie]

Thanks Bettin, I'l lgo that route. I dont expect the change to be drastic.

Maybe Zombie can hook me up with a scale
 

I don't weigh my sh**. If it fills the shed the order was correct.

Here is the spring stuff... http://www.racingplanetusa.com/variator-torque-spring-malossi-different-categories-p-2334-1.html?cPath=2_622_26516&sessID=3496a2decbe49f463aa23bcd8c1b6e78#.U77d2m3bzl8 

If you stay w/ OEM roller weights swapping the spring will do nothing or never allow the bike to change gear ratios.
Stiffer springs require heavier rollers. Like I said. Use whatever you want to, and post up your results so we can all say "Told ya" or get one of the two combinations posted thousands of times, and say "Thanks for helping me improve my bike"

If you want to do some science crap research then by all means do it. I have done all the testing of combo's that can be done on these dumb ass 50-100cc scooters. BUT I used all the print outs to roll up a super hooter, and have since lost touch w/ reality. I think one of you has already beaten me there...

[Chris0381]

Stiffer springs require heavier rollers.

Thats what Im trying to figure out. The purple spring you suggest is stiffer than OEM and the stock rollers are 8.5 gram then why would the 7.0 gram rollers be ideal with that stiffer purple spring for someone weighing near 150 lbs?  I guess it must be a case of "it is what it is then".

[BettinANDlosing]

You could take out your spring and paint it red then put in 12g square weights, be hittin 100 no prob.

[Chris0381]

You could take out your spring and paint it red then put in 12g square weights, be hittin 100 no prob.

And thats why I should probably be putting this modding for more performance to rest and just be happy with what I presently have. The scooter is doing what I purchased it for (alternative transport to work should my car break down plus a little bit more.)

[zombie]

The 8.5 gram OEM rollers are too heavy for the purple spring. You will not get the full benefit because the rollers will open the rear pulleys faster than you want. The idea of a stiffer spring is to force the belt to stay at a lower ratio longer, and you have to keep in mind Dr. Pulley act lighter than they are so a 7gr DP is equal to a 6gr OEM
Lower ratio = better hill climbing. As you approach the hill the rpms drop. As the rpms drop the rollers retreat. As the rollers retreat the spring pulls the belt to a lower ratio. As the ratio is lowered the torque to the rear wheel is amplified. As the torque is amplified the bike climbs better. As the bike climbs better your smile gets bigger. As your smile gets bigger you look more like a retard driving a scooter, and smiling for no damn good reason. Then you realize I made you retarded.

Hope that helps

[Chris0381]

Hope that helps

That does help and I'll go with your config.

Thanks Zombie

[zombie]

Love ya Bro! Thanks.

[Chris0381]

And same here Zombie, just grabbed the jet set off ebay, will get the spring and rollers next. Time for cold beer now.

[zombie]

It's the best part of the day... Once the dust settles, and you can kick back w/ a cold one. For me that is usually around 7:30-8:00 am. I miss the crack tho...

[gnvernon]

chris will you post your results once you get them?

[Chris0381]

chris will you post your results once you get them?

Sure will, all parts should be in by Friday. Just looking for a variator locking tool for the 2 stoke, they a are all in Europe. Just ordered a bell housing holder from Ebay.

This is something to keep in mind:

I always use an impact gun to tighten my variator nut, and have never had a problem...

infact I also use the same nut time and time again, the main issue which no one has mentioned in this topic: is making sure the belt is pushed down the front pulley before tightening the nut (whichever method you use to tighten)...

if the belt isnt pushed down the pulley, you will simply trap the belt between the 2 pulley halves, all will seem tight and fine until you move off, the belt moves and the nut come loose.

you would be surprised how many people who havent worked it out yet...

[gnvernon]

ia the variator locking tool neccessary?

[zombie]

No. They sell a lot of them tho.

Chris is spot on about the belt. I let the var turn a little while tightening it all up. It sucks when the var blows apart.

[Chris0381]

I also need to credit the Honda Ruckus forum for that tip. Forgot to credit the OP or get his name.