Increasing performance on 2012 super 8

[BettinANDlosing]

Stock rollers are 16x13, I run 35 / 30 psi on the bet and win. 40/ 35. With my zuma. With contrast springs, you only want to go as tight as needed, any tighter and you will decrease belt life and actually top speed too

[zombie]

This thread is driving me f'n nutz...

The yellow spring is weaker than the OEM spring in a 4t OEM clutch. Get a Purple Malossi (1500) or a red Malossi (2000)
If you are around 150LBS then the purple, and 7gr Dr. Pulleys. If you are closer to 200LBS go red, and 7-8 gr Dr. Pulleys.

Belt wear is subjective... Depends on how you ride. Tighter cvt parts do wear the belt faster but I generally get 2-3 belts a year. I ride20-30 miles a day/everyday so you can do the math.

I am also a HUGE fan of maximum tire pressure labels. B&L is correct that the tire can hold A LOT more than the Max. label but I can drink A LOT more than a liter of Whiskey. Neither of these are good IMHO>

All better now. Love you guys!

[Chris0381]

This thread is driving me f'n nutz...

The yellow spring is weaker than the OEM spring in a 4t OEM clutch.

But I dont think either of us has the 4t. We are senior citizens, WE ARE ALL CONFUSED!!!!!!!

I would like to try a stiffer contra spring but dont know which one to get, and if I do try a stiffer contra spring for hill climbing, do I need to get heavier rollers to counteract the additional spring stiffness as I dont know what weight rollers I have presently on the stock variator.

I weigh 160 lbs pre beer guzzling.

2013 super 8 50 cc 2t 800 miles on OD

[zombie]

Get the Phrlsiwnd or the Rsl IF YOU weigh 834- 917krz.

Use Ht. Pisjeec 0ed OR Ge. Jqllxb 1jf

[BettinANDlosing]

Get both, cheap enough and you'll use both sooner or later. A stiffer spring with the same weights as a soft spring will rev higher, and with no other real mods will rev too high really fast. Your peak power stock is 7-8000rpm. Red spring with stock 8.5g will be revving to 8k rpm almost always right over your power band. Parts like exhaust and 70cc will enjoy revving higher.

[Chris0381]

Get both, cheap enough and you'll use both sooner or later. A stiffer spring with the same weights as a soft spring will rev higher, and with no other real mods will rev too high really fast. Your peak power stock is 7-8000rpm. Red spring with stock 8.5g will be revving to 8k rpm almost always right over your power band. Parts like exhaust and 70cc will enjoy revving higher.

Let me ask,

Is it for certain that the yellow 1500 spring is same or less than what is on there stock now for 2013 S8 50CC 2T ?

Throwing a dart, what would be a good initial gram weight and spring compression value to try with my setup as is? Goal to get a little better uphill performance.

I am considering 9 gm weights and a White Spring as my first guess as thats what one of the Malossi Kits has for the S8. My thought is they wouldnt provide a weaker spring than stock but if its for racing I'M GUESSING THEY COULD.

[zombie]

Let me ask,

Is it for certain that the yellow 1500 spring is same or less than what is on there stock now for 2013 S8 50CC 2T ?


Throwing a dart, what would be a good initial gram weight and spring compression value to try with my setup as is? Goal to get a little better uphill performance.

I am considering 9 gm weights and a White Spring as my first guess as thats what one of the Malossi Kits has for the S8. My thought is they wouldnt provide a weaker spring than stock but if its for racing I'M GUESSING THEY COULD.

I don't have any idea how many times this has been said....

Malossi red, and 7-8gr Dr. pulley if you are 200lbs
Malossi Purple, and Dr. pulley 7-8 if you are closer to 150lbs

I have a shop FULL of springs/sliders/rollers. Perhaps 250-300 of them. Different makes/rates, and weights.

The above two combinations are the best for every brand scooter or engine type in 50cc to 100cc BBK's.

Spanish:
No tengo idea de cuántas veces esto se ha dicho ....

Rojo Malossi y 7-8gr Dr. polea si usted es 200 libras
Malossi púrpura, y el Dr. polea 7-8 si está más cerca de £ 150

Tengo una tienda llena de resortes / deslizadores / rodillos. Tal vez 250-300 de ellos. Diferentes marcas / tipos y pesos.

Las dos combinaciones anteriores son los mejores para cada scooter de marca o tipo de motor de 50cc a 100cc de BBK.

Gaelic:
Ní dóigh liom go bhfuil aon smaoineamh cé mhéad uair tá sé seo ráite ....

Malossi dearg, agus 7-8gr Dr ulóige má tá tú £ 200
Malossi Corcra, agus an Dr ulóige 7-8 má tá tú níos gaire do £ 150

Tá mé siopa IOMLÁN Springs / Barraí Sleamhnáin / rollóirí. B'fhéidir 250-300 acu. Dhéanann éagsúla / rátaí, agus meáchain.

Is iad an dá thuas teaglamaí is fearr do gach scútar branda nó cineál-inneall 50cc go 100cc i BBK ar.

German:
ch habe keine Ahnung, wie oft dies gesagt wurde ....

Malossi rot, und 7-8gr Dr. Riemenscheibe, wenn Sie 200 £ sind
Malossi Lila, und Dr. Scheibe 7-8, wenn Sie näher an 150 £ sind

Ich habe einen Laden voller Federn / Gleiter / Rollen. Vielleicht 250-300 von ihnen. Verschiedene Marken / Raten und Gewichten.

Die beiden oben genannten Kombinationen sind die besten für jede Marke Roller oder Motortyp in 50cc bis 100cc BBK.

Italian:
Non ho alcuna idea di quante volte questo è stato detto ....

Malossi rosso, e 7-8gr Dr. puleggia se siete £ 200
Malossi Viola, e il dottor puleggia 7-8 se sei più vicino a 150 £

Ho un negozio pieno di molle / cursori / rulli. Forse 250-300 di loro. Diverse marche / tariffe, e pesi.

I suddetti due combinazioni sono i migliori per ogni scooter marca o tipo di motore a 50cc a 100cc BBK di.

Czeck:
Nemám ponětí, kolikrát to bylo řečeno ....

Malossi červený, a 7-8gr Dr. kladka, pokud jste 200 liber
Malossi Purple, a Dr. kladka 7-8, pokud jste blíže k 150 liber

Mám obchod plný Springs / slidery / válečky. Možná, že 250-300 z nich. Různých značek / ceny a váhy.

Oba výše uvedené kombinace jsou nejlepší pro všechny značky skútr nebo typu motoru od 50 ccm do 100 ccm v BBK

Thai:
ผมไม่ได้มีความคิดกี่ครั้งนี้ได้รับการกล่าวว่า ....

Malossi สีแดงและ 7-8gr ดร. ลูกรอกถ้าคุณเป็น£ 200
Malossi สีม่วงและ ดร. ลูกรอก 7-8 ถ้าคุณมีความใกล้ชิดกับ£ 150

ฉันมีร้านเต็มจำนวนของสปริง / เลื่อน / ลูกกลิ้ง บางที 250-300 ของพวกเขา ทำให้แตกต่างกัน / อัตราและน้ำหนัก

ข้างต้นทั้งสองชุดที่ดีที่สุดสำหรับทุกสกูตเตอร์ยี่ห้อหรือชนิดของเครื่องยนต์ใน 50cc เพื่อ 100cc BBK ของ

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Get whatever you want, and let us know how it works out. We are all here to learn.

[Chris0381]

Dang that's still low, go 40 in the rear and 35 front to gain even more speed. Also yes sliders will help with stock, but you'll want to get 7-8 g especially if you plan to get a stiff contrast spring. Stiffer spring = heavier weights to pull through that spring.

I got about a 1 MPH gain from this last night. How ever so slight addition to top speed, it also decrease the rolling resistance and seemed to make the transition from a flat to a hill smoother with less initial loss of speed. I have a lot of hills where I live and this little performance increase helps a bit.

Just ordered a Joes Racing Tire Gage for $24 off ebay. http://toolguyd.com/joes-racing-tire-pressure-gauge-review/ About time I repalaced my 30 year old one.

Still waiting on the #86 jet to arrive and presently running 3/4 turns out on the air screw, real nice ride last night.

[gnvernon]

Zombie I have seen everywhere online that the YELLOW spring is 1500 and that red is indeed 2000. I also dont want to rev over my power band.

Also, Chris I believe the white is even softer than stock. If you did that and increased your roller weight I dont think you would even make it up a hill lol.

[Chris0381]

Zombie I have seen everywhere online that the YELLOW spring is 1500 and that red is indeed 2000. I also dont want to rev over my power band.

Also, Chris I believe the white is even softer than stock. If you did that and increased your roller weight I dont think you would even make it up a hill lol.

What is confusing me is that you read that if you increase your contra spring compression value, your supposed to be increasing your roller weights. So is going to a Malossi Purple a smaller compression value or greater value? as new Dr Pulley 8 gm rollers are less weight than the stock 8.5 gm rollers.?

My assumption then would be that the 8.5 stock rollers are a bit heavy for this bike to begin with and could be restricting it a touch or the purple spring hasa lessor compression value that the stock spring since lighter rollers are recommended.

[BettinANDlosing]

I think your over thinking it. You have to try one and see how you like it.

[Chris0381]

I think your over thinking it. You have to try one and see how you like it.

Yea I agree. I'll throw on a spring and see how its performance is then go form there and then exchange rollers around the spring. The purple is a bit hard to find here in the states as its mainly on Ebay in the UK etc.

[BettinANDlosing]

Exactly, just don't go with the super tight during right away, start with medium. I'd you order your weights heavy maybe get 9g then use a scale and dremell to lighten them perfectly. Just evenly grind off brass from the inside.

[Chris0381]

Exactly, just don't go with the super tight during right away, start with medium. I'd you order your weights heavy maybe get 9g then use a scale and dremell to lighten them perfectly. Just evenly grind off brass from the inside.

Thanks Bettin, I'l lgo that route. I dont expect the change to be drastic.

Maybe Zombie can hook me up with a scale
 

[gnvernon]

any headshop will have a scale for $5 or less. They are also super cheap on amazon