Bad news about 2t in USA

[zombie]

Beer is really the answer my brother... or more precisely, Ethanol. It can be made from almost anything, and if we insist on keeping combustion type engines then Eth. is the only option I know of.

I have also been following Fuel cell, and hydro magnetic engines for some time, and the bottom line is they are hands down the winner. Problem is the BIG OIL barons have that Tech wrapped up. They will never release these engines or the patents. why? Because as you pointed out... $5,000.00 a barrel.

There is one more problem no-one seems to be aware of. Oil in the ground has a purpose. It "acts" like Tire Balance Fluid inside the earth. Our very existence depends on it.
Oil also has a specific weight, and viscosity. The actions it performs is dependent on these attributes. For decades now the BIG OIL companies have been aware of this so they are pumping water into depleting wells. Not so much for the fluid dynamic aspect but to "float" the remaining oil out of it's deepest hiding places.
Once again I am greatly simplifying the whole scenario but the fact is the planet is not going to survive this attack for much longer. The proof of this comes in the form of more frequent/severe earth quakes, faster movements of tectonic plates, and more active volcanoes then any other point in history. Oil is/was the natural buffer that kept order as it were, and GREED has determined the real fate of our planet. People need jets/big villas/200 foot yachts/pounds of cocaine more than our children need a home.
f***ing people make me sick!

[baddi]

Beer is really the answer my brother... or more precisely, Ethanol. It can be made from almost anything, and if we insist on keeping combustion type engines then Eth. is the only option I know of.

I have also been following Fuel cell, and hydro magnetic engines for some time, and the bottom line is they are hands down the winner. Problem is the BIG OIL barons have that Tech wrapped up. They will never release these engines or the patents. why? Because as you pointed out... $5,000.00 a barrel.

There is one more problem no-one seems to be aware of. Oil in the ground has a purpose. It "acts" like Tire Balance Fluid inside the earth. Our very existence depends on it.
Oil also has a specific weight, and viscosity. The actions it performs is dependent on these attributes. For decades now the BIG OIL companies have been aware of this so they are pumping water into depleting wells. Not so much for the fluid dynamic aspect but to "float" the remaining oil out of it's deepest hiding places.
Once again I am greatly simplifying the whole scenario but the fact is the planet is not going to survive this attack for much longer. The proof of this comes in the form of more frequent/severe earth quakes, faster movements of tectonic plates, and more active volcanoes then any other point in history. Oil is/was the natural buffer that kept order as it were, and GREED has determined the real fate of our planet. People need jets/big villas/200 foot yachts/pounds of cocaine more than our children need a home.
f***ing people make me sick!

Oil comes from the uppermost layers of the earth.

The earth is about 12.700 km in diameter and we've only drilled about 15 kilometers deep. About 0,11 %.
Removing oil has no impact on the stability of the earth. Only a little bit of the stability of the piece of land right above the oil, since removing oil will create a cavity and this is solved to an acceptable level by injecting water, as you said.

Anyway, you are totally right when it comes down to ethanol being the future. It is CO2 neutral, burns quicker, has higher octane ratio and requires more injected to give a stoich relationship. This allows for a cooler air/fuel mixture that can be compressed more and requires less ignition advance. This means more power without damaging the enviroment!
The latest thing i heard is that a  danish company has found a way to make bioethanol, biogas, electricity and heat 25% more efficient than before, using wate products from grain production. The bioethanol will have a price about 1$ per liter. Half what normal gasoline is here now.
They need 450.000.000 dollars and they just got 45.500.000 dollars from EU to make this. About a third of what they needed in support, so if they can find the rest 90.000.000 dollars, they can have the first facility up and running in two years. If it proves to be a good way to do it and noone has come up with an even more efficient way before that, it might spread to other countries too.
The proposed facility uses 300.000 tons of straw to make 73.000.000 liters of bioethanol, 99 million cubicmeters biogas and loads of electricity and heat to be used by surrounding citizens.

[zombie]

To date Brazil is the world leader in Eth production, and use. The US will of course be last.
I look at the US like I looked at school yard bullies. If the US can not have exactly what they want, when they want it... They will destroy everything to prevent others from enjoying it.

IF The US allowed personal Eth production there would be NO NEED for big oil. That industry would collapse. Same for the economy here. Eliminate the tax revenues from fuel, and liquor... No more US.

The solution? Tax personal manufacture of Eth based on recorded ferments, and legalize/tax pot.

Simple deal, easier life, no more BS from corrupt bureaucrats!

Fixing sh** is easy for me.

[BettinANDlosing]

To date Brazil is the world leader in Eth production, and use. The US will of course be last.
I look at the US like I looked at school yard bullies. If the US can not have exactly what they want, when they want it... They will destroy everything to prevent others from enjoying it.

IF The US allowed personal Eth production there would be NO NEED for big oil. That industry would collapse. Same for the economy here. Eliminate the tax revenues from fuel, and liquor... No more US.

The solution? Tax personal manufacture of Eth based on recorded ferments, and legalize/tax pot.

Simple deal, easier life, no more BS from corrupt bureaucrats!

Fixing sh** is easy for me.

The only bad part of that deal, those BS bureaucrats own this f***in' country through and through. We'll have it back someday, but not before they are through totally messing everything up

[zombie]

I fear the opposite is true. THEY will have it eventually. It's like burning down an impoverished city block... Ignore the block until it plummets in value, swoop it up at 10,000 times less than it's fair market value, burn it to the ground, collect the Insurance, re-develop, and make millions all along the way.

It's the same thing they are doing to the entire country. Look into who has been buying up Detroit! Dan Gilbert! (Quicken) He will be the next Nelson Rockefeller. Mark my words... What ya wana bet he becomes an invited guest at the next Bilderberg conference. I've got a 5yo bottle of 6row single malt scotch against any fair wager!

[baddi]

To date Brazil is the world leader in Eth production, and use. The US will of course be last.
I look at the US like I looked at school yard bullies. If the US can not have exactly what they want, when they want it... They will destroy everything to prevent others from enjoying it.

IF The US allowed personal Eth production there would be NO NEED for big oil. That industry would collapse. Same for the economy here. Eliminate the tax revenues from fuel, and liquor... No more US.

The solution? Tax personal manufacture of Eth based on recorded ferments, and legalize/tax pot.

Simple deal, easier life, no more BS from corrupt bureaucrats!

Fixing sh** is easy for me.

Lol, i look as taxes as a subscription to everything.
We pay minimum 36% (+8% market contribution) and then almost everything is already paid for. I like paying taxes. It makes me want to use the government paid universities to get an education and a high-paying job so i can get the things i want later without ever being in debt.
Why would i ever want to produce ethanol personally? It's much cheaper and more efficient to let those specialised in it do that and then buy it later on. It's easy to make ethanol, but it's hard to do it efficiently with waste products.
If everyone in capialist america tried to make their own ethanol, first by using pure sugar, you would run out of that, then by fermenting stuff, then you would run out of whatever you're fermenting, then by using enzymes to cut starch from corn or straw into ethanol, you will also run out of that since every single citizen can't control the process as delicately as a facility to several billion which employs chemists just jo monitor the process and make it more efficient.

You need to stop being so naive. Without big companies, we would have very very (very) little and slow technological advancement in the higher techical fields as chemestry, material properties and engineering. All which are the fundaments of the modern world.

Without big companies to develop enzymes to synthesize ethanol and other big companies to create engines, how would you get bioethanol and what would you use it for?

[zombie]

With out any argument or ill will, I have been distilling for 45 years. My grandfather distilled for another 70.
It is one of the easiest processes known.

All you actually need is yeast, and you can culture that from every ferment you produce. In fact if you have one teaspoon of yeast it will last your entire lifetime.
Bacaradi has been using the same culture for 150 years. It is reclaimed from the ferment, and cultured simple.

Enzymes are also contained within the seed on all grains. Mashing is the process of using the natural enzyme at specific temps to convert seed starch to sugar. Once again all you need to add is yeast.

Any 40x100 back yard can produce enough grain/starch/sugar crop to sustain that families fuel needs AS LONG AS they are not greedy fuel hounds.( Boats/planes/suvs. ) You can heat your house/cool your house/generate electricity off a 40x100 plot.

Yes we do need mass producers of Eth., and that is something I am very well aware of. I have developed a distillation column the is 1/2 the height of any other commercial rig, and it runs on solar heated water/vacuum. There is NO electricity needed to distill.

My point here is Eth. is 100% sustainable, and nothing will ever "run out". The by products can in EVERY case be used as live stock feed. Every ounce of it. This alone frees up the grains/grasses/fillers/whatever for other uses... IE people.

I have been involved w/ the production of Eth. my entire life, and spent many years developing my column. It took 8 months to do the math, and print out the process. Most commercial columns run at 13-25 percent return, meaning the do produce that much more energy than they use. My design has been computer modeled on ProSim Plus, and also run by Worcester Polytechnic Institute to show a 73 percent return. At this very moment I am working with several people around the globe to build a facility to prove out the design. Naive is the last word I would use.
 No dis-respect meant at all but all your points (on Eth. production) are 100% incorrect.
Perhaps they are a product of that "state run education".
They really don't want us to know this! That's why it is illegal. George Washington is the one who declared it so. Guess what he did... Produced 100,000 gallons a year of TAXED whiskey! NONE of it for fuel.

Truth be told there would be NO Big Oil if it were not for that action alone. The world is a very simple place to live. People with greed in their hearts is what makes it unbearable. We work for them sir. They do not work for us.
My mission is to work for humanity. NOT the Govt.

I need a bigger forum...