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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2014, 01:26:43 AM »
Shoot.
Tests all went perfectly this evening.
Then went for a 45 min test ride....stupid thing ran like a Swiss made BMW....fast, arrogant & flawlessly.
I did one thing differently tonight....I went through the Kymco FI Diagnostic Tool to the
TPI / APV RESET screen.
I did that and it said "reset completed, please key off, key on"
The manual says this:
"The throttle position sensor (TPS) and idle air bypass valve (ISC) have to be reset when throttle body, MAP, TPS, ISC or ECU have been reinstalled"

I did not reinstall any of that stuff.....that I know of.
Will try to get it to run lousy tomorrow.
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2014, 02:51:16 AM »
Oh yeah!!!!!!! God now I feel stupid for not telling you about the reset!!!!! I do that to every efi out of the crate, figured your dealer did that but now that I remember your dealer DIDN'T HAVE THE DIAG. TOOL, that makes so much sense. I remember our guy at Kymco telling us to do that to all new bikes when we first got the tool. Fingers crossed for ya.
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2014, 05:31:55 AM »
Do you need the scanner to reset the ECU, if not what steps does it take. Be good to know for future reference.
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2014, 05:57:06 AM »
The only way on the like is with the scantool i think
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2014, 03:19:18 PM »
From cyclepedia:
Not sure what is 'early & later models'...my scoot has these wires down there with the battery (and that Diag. Tool plug-in) You're after the pink one....and I think I tried that one a few hundred tries ago...
All the different names used here are confusing (TPI, ABV, TPS, ISC, PTA, NRA, OSU, CBS)
Tested again today...still has the stumbles when running. Nothing happening of note with any other screen, except the TPS screen.
Fired off an email letter w/pix of the screen to KYMCO. (I'd be looking for some medication if I didn't have that pretty NSS300 sitting behind me in the garage as I work on this Kymco. Hopefully you'll understand why I never even considered buying another when I decided to move up - especially when the prices were nearly the same. The scooter/dealer package here just isn't a happy place.)
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2014, 04:06:20 PM »
Stig,

Where can I get one of those analyzer and what do they cost?
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2014, 04:21:03 PM »
Well, Stig, it still looks like you are hot on the trail! I know reset has been discussed several times on this and other problems. I have not replaced TPS, ISC, ABV or CBS on my DT300i but the reset aka INITIALIZE fixes wonky idle. Come to think about it, reset worked on the Yager, too. However, if there is a transient problem with the TPS, reset won't be permanent. You have figured this all out.

Should NOT need the tool for a reset. BUT considering all the vagaries and errors in both the Owner's Manual, Service Manual I would not be surprised if there was a difference in how the ECU performs after the two flavors of reset/initialize.

B&L, I will be willing to bet that you and Zombie are the only two in the business that actually do a proper PDI on a new machine or one you have repaired. Therefore, do not take personally my jabs at dealers and their techs since it apparently does not apply to either you or the Zomb.

Go, Stig. GO!

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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2014, 05:26:38 PM »
Quote from: TroutBum on August 21, 2014, 04:06:20 PM
Stig,

Where can I get one of those analyzer and what do they cost?
See CROSSBOLT page 3, this thread.
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2014, 08:58:44 PM »
Quote from: CROSSBOLT on August 21, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
Well, Stig, it still looks like you are hot on the trail! I know reset has been discussed several times on this and other problems. I have not replaced TPS, ISC, ABV or CBS on my DT300i but the reset aka INITIALIZE fixes wonky idle. Come to think about it, reset worked on the Yager, too. However, if there is a transient problem with the TPS, reset won't be permanent. You have figured this all out.

Should NOT need the tool for a reset. BUT considering all the vagaries and errors in both the Owner's Manual, Service Manual I would not be surprised if there was a difference in how the ECU performs after the two flavors of reset/initialize.

B&L, I will be willing to bet that you and Zombie are the only two in the business that actually do a proper PDI on a new machine or one you have repaired. Therefore, do not take personally my jabs at dealers and their techs since it apparently does not apply to either you or the Zomb.

Go, Stig. GO!

Karl

Not at all, I totally agree with it too. I see so many bikes f*%&$# up from other dealers here in town. So I'm on the same page for sure, just that we're not ALL bad!! HAHA. There are some sleeze ball techs out there, cars, boats, scooters, space shuttles etc.
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2014, 02:17:28 AM »
It would be great if Kymko monitored this forum, and had an engineer/tech comment or offer assistance when an issue seemed beyond dealers and forum participants.  That probably makes too much sense....:)
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« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2014, 04:22:53 PM »
see post below
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2014, 05:32:31 PM »
At about 6-7 degrees is that you moving the throttle or it jumping around? That should NOT be doing that. Also I will check a Like 200 with the diag tool off a new bike on the showroom floor, I don't think the adaptation should be 20 degrees that seems high. Possibly making up for a bad TPS reading. Not sure tho. Any word from the dealer?
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2014, 06:29:53 PM »
Quote from: BettinANDlosing on August 22, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
At about 6-7 degrees is that you moving the throttle or it jumping around? That should NOT be doing that. Also I will check a Like 200 with the diag tool off a new bike on the showroom floor, I don't think the adaptation should be 20 degrees that seems high. Possibly making up for a bad TPS reading. Not sure tho. Any word from the dealer?
No word from the dealer - but just got off the phone with a factory rep. who called me!
I have removed the videos while I await the results of this conversation.
No, I was holding the throttle as steady as possible.
Very impressed that the company rep. for Kymco called me!
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Re: STIG- new parts report
« Reply #73 on: August 22, 2014, 07:05:59 PM »
I think 200i is onto something! Yes, it would make sense to monitor here and that is why they don't seem to bother...

The rep called you, huh, Stig. That is a very good sign! I, too, think the TPS is the culprit. I can barely wait for the next episode!

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« Reply #74 on: August 22, 2014, 07:43:53 PM »
Quote from: CROSSBOLT on August 22, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
I think 200i is onto something! Yes, it would make sense to monitor here and that is why they don't seem to bother...

The rep called you, huh, Stig. That is a very good sign! I, too, think the TPS is the culprit. I can barely wait for the next episode!

Karl
The KYMCO USA rep. called me in fairly quick response to my email which I sent yesterday morining, and was passed along to him today.
I've always been impressed by this scooter - and this Kymco representative impressed me as well.
Perhaps they follow some of this forum - but I heard nothing that made me think that.
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